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Dadar

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President Donald Trump announced he would take control of Washington DC’s Metropolitan Police Department and deploy the National Guard as part of a push to reduce crime and homelessness in the nation’s capital.
 

iceheart08

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DC native here with a ton of friends in the MPD.

He will lose in court on this and create a fuckton of confusion. He will piss of police and the FBI (whom he is assigning to night patrols). This is a waste of time, is terrible for the people of DC who live there and work there.

This is ******* wrong.
 

fatpiggy

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Says he is coming for Chicago next. Good. There are literally sections of the city it's not safe to walk down the street. No cash bail has been a disaster.
 
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tboonpickens

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Good. Democrat cities have been soft on crime and it comes at a cost to law abiding citizens.
educate yourself, please



 

Aardvark86

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DC native here with a ton of friends in the MPD.

He will lose in court on this and create a fuckton of confusion. He will piss of police and the FBI (whom he is assigning to night patrols). This is a waste of time, is terrible for the people of DC who live there and work there.

This is ******* wrong.
While I moved my primary residence from the DMV last year, I'm still up there most weeks for work. Some thoughts:

1. At the outset, let me just say clearly that of course there's no real "emergency" (at least in comparison to some periods of status quo over the last 35 years of my life there - watch the fantastic documentary "The Legend of Cool Disco Dan" if you want to see when things were really awful) justifying the declaration. This is just more shock and awe, with a hint of Lafayette Square redux thrown in.
2. With that said, once again, behold the power of legislative "emergency powers" grants to presidents. You can be damn sure that Steven Miller and his minions have done a westlaw search of the us code to identify every single time the word "emergency" appears, and has thought about what they can do with it. Some day, when the dust settles, that entire 'hit list' has to be examined...closely.
3. I'm not actually so sure he loses in court - the home rule act is pretty darned unqualified, the takeover authority is time limited, and if this percolates to the appellate level, most judges aren't going to (and probably shouldn't in the perfect world) take on a plausible executive action, particularly following him having notified the congressional committees per the act, which at least arguably gives congress the first bite at the apple in reviewing the executive invocation to extend the period beyond the initial 48 hours.
4. DC is such a strange animal, and doesn't deserve this one. On the one hand, the city finally figured out that they can't just build office buildings and they need the city to be a place to live and work. They've done a great job with that, Covid notwithstanding, over the last decade or so. And I don't doubt that statistically, crime (and violent crime) are probably down. Beyond that, I think the mayor has done an outstanding job walking a tough line as far as the administration goes, and she probably ought to get a little slack.
5. But on the other hand, what's maybe a little different (acknowledged speculation on my part) is the geographic footprint of that crime. A guy (3 degrees of separation) was murdered on K street in his car last year down from my office; the re-gentrified areas have yielded stuff like this most recent thing. And the reality is that in the summer, it is markedly worse with the idle youths. (And if they're not causing carjacking and related mayhem within the district, they're crossing the 14th street bridge to do so in Pentagon City, then fleeing back across the bridge into the city since they Arlington and DC cops don't chase, etc.) Beyond that, I have to say, the downtown is not that nice a place these days, between homeless people relieving themselves in the park, a greater sense of "danger to self or others" types, and the ever present smell of skunk weed. (Yes, I know some of that's probably Trump inflicted.) Definitely as hard an edge to the city as I've seen/felt in a while.\
6. I don't doubt MPD and FBI will be more than annoyed, for different reasons.
 
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dpic73

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Good. Democrat cities have been soft on crime and it comes at a cost to law abiding citizens.
Wait til Nancy gets wind of this, she'll put the kabosh on all of it, we know because all the magas have told us she has more power than the President!
 
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baltimorened

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"I can't touch you if you are 14,15,16,17 if you have a gun".....
This person, who I don't know, seems to think that laws don't apply to juveniles?
Why would a person this ignorant be in charge of things?
there is some kind of law/rule/regulation in DC that puts juvenile offenders in some kind of rehabilitation program instead of jail. There was just a story about this in relation to the beating of Big Balls in DC.
 

firegiver

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there is some kind of law/rule/regulation in DC that puts juvenile offenders in some kind of rehabilitation program instead of jail. There was just a story about this in relation to the beating of Big Balls in DC.
How is this the problem of the president of the united states or the federal government?
Can we just assume I don't know what the outrage is about? If its about one incident, THEN WHY ARE WE SENDING IN THE ******* NATIONAL GUARD?
This is just insane yall. Just because gay people exist and you are scared you might be one, doesn't mean you need to resort to straight up fascism.
 

Aardvark86

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educate yourself, please




There is a certain humor in the data.

If you look at the 2025 YTD data for both violent and all crime, it has indeed gone down in comparison to the previous year comparable period. I'd have thought Trump would try to take credit for that.

If you drill a further (interestingly, and without any intended inference on my part), a similar comparison for the past two years applies (ie, 23-25 is lower than 21-23). On the other hand, if you stretch the cohort back to three year sets (ie, 22-25 v. 18-21), the numbers have gone up dramatically for both violent and all crimes. In other words, '22 was really bad.

Fun little tool to play with: https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/2:years/citywide:heat
 

baltimorened

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How is this the problem of the president of the united states or the federal government?
Can we just assume I don't know what the outrage is about? If its about one incident, THEN WHY ARE WE SENDING IN THE ******* NATIONAL GUARD?
This is just insane yall. Just because gay people exist and you are scared you might be one, doesn't mean you need to resort to straight up fascism.
didn't say it was the problem of the President. If anything, if you asked me, I'd say Trump is involved in too many things at the same time. That, is one reason, in my opinion, it seems as if we are always in chaos.
 

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Trump is trying to replace the Latinos that he has deported and now there is a huge void in the production fields He plans to arrest these young black men and make them work in these fields at no cost. Sounds familiar like 1619-1866.
 

Aardvark86

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Trump is trying to replace the Latinos that he has deported and now there is a huge void in the production fields He plans to arrest these young black men and make them work in these fields at no cost. Sounds familiar like 1619-1866.
That one warrants an eyeroll for the ages.

On a somewhat more serious note though, one of the bigger long term things I worry about is that AI is eventually going to replace certain jobs, and people aren't going to be prepared for it. In particular, the knowledge industry (lawyers, consultants, etc.) will likely be first, rather than last, and will be least suited for what's out there until we go full on marxist techno-philosophy where "work" is really just "play" because the machines do the work. The "production" industries are likely to have a little more staying power. So, being a lawyer, I've been brushing up on my gardening.
 
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Dadar

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That one warrants an eyeroll for the ages.

On a somewhat more serious note though, one of the bigger long term things I worry about is that AI is eventually going to replace certain jobs, and people aren't going to be prepared for it. In particular, the knowledge industry (lawyers, consultants, etc.) will likely be first, rather than last, and will be least suited for what's out there until we go full on marxist techno-philosophy where "work" is really just "play" because the machines do the work. The "production" industries are likely to have a little more staying power. So, being a lawyer, I've been brushing up on my gardening.
deregulation effects on the climate and markets can easily screw the works
 
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baltimorened

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Yes, and nothing s changed,but now Trump is trying to make a big deal out of it. What's wild is Trump himself has used a chasless bail 3 times.
a lot has changed. Today we have cashless bail. Attack someone on the street, get arrested, taken to jail, face a judge, released back on the street sometimes within 24 hours. Now for most people that might not be a big deal, but for the person attacked the next day by the same perp, it's somewhat important.

I'm not totally against cashless bail. There are instances where it might be warranted. But when it's law and judge has no discretion it takes judgment out of the equation. I have the same opinion about mandatory sentences.

I don't know sometimes about how we've gone to favor the criminal over the victim. I'm not saying it happens all the time, it doesn't. But it happens more now than any time in my life
 
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yoshi121374

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a lot has changed. Today we have cashless bail. Attack someone on the street, get arrested, taken to jail, face a judge, released back on the street sometimes within 24 hours. Now for most people that might not be a big deal, but for the person attacked the next day by the same perp, it's somewhat important.

I'm not totally against cashless bail. There are instances where it might be warranted. But when it's law and judge has no discretion it takes judgment out of the equation. I have the same opinion about mandatory sentences.

I don't know sometimes about how we've gone to favor the criminal over the victim. I'm not saying it happens all the time, it doesn't. But it happens more now than any time in my life

I think we hear about the worst cases when it goes wrong and it gives us an impressions things are somehow bad so we can get upset. Reality is that DC is a far safer place than it has been, and is trending in a good direction.

An example is this... We have heard non stop how dangerous we are today vs the past, when in fact America is a far safer place for all people than we were in the 50's.

We just hear all the bad things today, and in the 50's people either didn't have rights to complain such as women and people of color, or it wasn't reported.
 
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baltimorened

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I think we hear about the worst cases when it goes wrong and it gives us an impressions things are somehow bad so we can get upset. Reality is that DC is a far safer place than it has been, and is trending in a good direction.

An example is this... We have heard non stop how dangerous we are today vs the past, when in fact America is a far safer place for all people than we were in the 50's.

We just hear all the bad things today, and in the 50's people either didn't have rights to complain such as women and people of color, or it wasn't reported.
well, I agree that we only hear about the worst cases.

I believe you're right about the US being safer today than the 50s.

I lived during the 50s, and I'll defer to your statement about people not having rights. I didn't notice it. All the women in my family seemed to be ok with rights, and back then there was a higher degree of segregation than today so I can't speak to rights of people of color.
 

dpic73

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"By the time Trump wrapped his rambling, Nobel-hungry, slum-busting, sanctuary-city-bashing monologue, with detours into moving water from northern to southern California as if geography and hydrology were just “suggestions,” and other greatest-hits delusions, the reporters in that airless room looked like survivors of a sauna contest. His surrogates were still nodding on cue, and the president himself was basking in the glow of charts, catchphrases, and the fantasy of Nobel gold. The rest of us were left with the real takeaway: this was a blueprint for a federally occupied future, shrink-wrapped in dog whistles, sold as patriotism, and executed with the same bumbling, self-serving incompetence we’re now exporting to both Ukraine and the AI sector.

 
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TigerGrowls

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There is a certain humor in the data.

If you look at the 2025 YTD data for both violent and all crime, it has indeed gone down in comparison to the previous year comparable period. I'd have thought Trump would try to take credit for that.

If you drill a further (interestingly, and without any intended inference on my part), a similar comparison for the past two years applies (ie, 23-25 is lower than 21-23). On the other hand, if you stretch the cohort back to three year sets (ie, 22-25 v. 18-21), the numbers have gone up dramatically for both violent and all crimes. In other words, '22 was really bad.

Fun little tool to play with: https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/2:years/citywide:heat
It's already coming out that the local DC police is cooking the books to make the numbers look better.
 
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