Robbinsville at Eastern Randolph

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Gentlemen, and Purple, while this has been both frustrating and enlightening, morning comes early for old guys. Goodnight. And thanks to the friends who came to my defense. I was towards the end of that proverbial rope…
If this stuff puts you at the end of a rope then you are a mess, we have a place for you up here in the mountains that can help Braughtons Mental Hospital lol good night old man
 

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If they suck like you say they do then you should be happy they’re in 1A.

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If they suck like you say they do then you should be happy they’re in 1A.
I didn't say they sucked, just that they were not that good, worry about the east let the west work itself out, ER is an Eastern team thrown in a Western Bracket, we shouldn't be having this conversation
 

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By the way I'm not a SMC poster I'm from Mitchell, just doin my part for the mountain folk lol, it's all in fun may the best team win
 
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Again I hate to say it, mainly due to Buzz and some other posters, but Mt. Airy will win the state championship. They should have last year, but they self imploded.
And if you have seen MA last part of season they have been most physical hit you in mouth team since MA 2008 and put that with speed.
 

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Mt airy has to beat Hayesville first then they will have to beat either Robbinville or Eastern Randolph then Murphy or Andrew's I'm not getting ahead of myself one game at a time I hope we do win out but then you face Tarboro if we do it will be tough out for anyone
 

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Alot of kids on reduced/free lunch and EC.
Providence Grove opened in 2008. Eastern Randolph went from ADM of 1400-1500 every year to around 800 after that year. Uwharrie Charter opened in 2012, and they've dropped to mid-600s since then. For what it's worth, Eastern Randolph's ISP score is in the same ballpark as most of the schools in the SMC. I think they'd probably still be 2A if the state hadn't classified East and West separate or if they'd gone east, though, because the west cutoff lines ended up higher than the east (or if everybody had been together).
 
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Providence Grove opened in 2008. Eastern Randolph went from ADM of 1400-1500 every year to around 800 after that year. Uwharrie Charter opened in 2012, and they've dropped to mid-600s since then. For what it's worth, Eastern Randolph's ISP score is in the same ballpark as most of the schools in the SMC. I think they'd probably still be 2A if the state hadn't classified East and West separate or if they'd gone east, though, because the west cutoff lines ended up higher than the east (or if everybody had been together).
I'm not trying to cut down Eastern Randolph with this schools have no say where the NCHSAA places them so you play where you're put.
That said the classification placement is 50% ADM 25% ISP 3 year average and 25% State Cup Points 3 year average so with an ADM at least at the beginning of the realignment of 671 to be in 1A ER would had to have a high ISP or low SCP or combination of the two to drop to 1A.
As reported at the time in a Polk county news paper article Polk & Mtn Heritage had exact same ADM of 614 yet MH went to 1A and Polk to 2A because they had a higher 3 year average of the SCP then MH.
As far as the East - West split you have East Surry who is further West than Eastern Randolph and who has a lower ADM then all three of the schools I meationed @ 588 who went to 2A.
 

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Tuscola benefitted from a terrible conference then lost by 50 in the conference title showdown. They got to the second round after they drew a 4-win team in the first round, then got killed in the 2nd round. Hendersonville's showing against East Surry (MA's only loss) makes me think the mountain teams can put up a fight against them, but I'm not sure that will happen this week.
 
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I'm not trying to cut down Eastern Randolph with this schools have no say where the NCHSAA places them so you play where you're put.
That said the classification placement is 50% ADM 25% ISP 3 year average and 25% State Cup Points 3 year average so with an ADM at least at the beginning of the realignment of 671 to be in 1A ER would had to have a high ISP or low SCP or combination of the two to drop to 1A.
As reported at the time in a Polk county news paper article Polk & Mtn Heritage had exact same ADM of 614 yet MH went to 1A and Polk to 2A because they had a higher 3 year average of the SCP then MH.
As far as the East - West split you have East Surry who is further West than Eastern Randolph and who has a lower ADM then all three of the schools I meationed @ 588 who went to 2A.
East Surry and Polk went 2A in large part because their Wells Fargo Cup scores were really high. 72 for East Surry and 62 for Polk, vs. 39 for MH and 19 for Eastern Randolph.

The point I was making about East-West is that if they put in a cutoff line that was statewide, you also probably get ER in 2A. But since they gave a separate cutoff line for the west and the east, and the schools are smaller in the east, ER was under the cutoff line when they went west (whereas they would have still been 2A in the east like Princeton and JK who both had almost identical alignment scores).
 
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East Surry and Polk went 2A because their Wells Fargo Cup scores were really high. 72 for East Surry and 62 for Polk, vs. 39 for MH and 19 for Eastern Randolph.

The point I was making about East-West is that if they put in a cutoff line that was statewide, you also probably get ER in 2A. But since they gave a separate cutoff line for the west and the east, and the schools are smaller in the east, ER was under the cutoff line when they went west (whereas they would have still been 2A in the east like Princeton and JK who both had almost identical alignment scores).
Right.. I'm not disagreeing with why they're in the West once the scores where given my point was a school with higher than others ADM would have to have ether or a combination of a high ISP or Cup Points I just didn't know which it was for ER. And if East Surry hadn't had a high cup points and been put in 2A and had points the same as ER or MH that might have pushed ER ether to 2A or to the East.
But I question why Wells Cup Points or especially ISP should have anything to do with your classification?
 
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Right.. I'm not disagreeing with why they're in the West once the scores where given my point was a school with higher than others ADM would have to have ether or a combination of a high ISP or Cup Points I just didn't know which it was for ER. And if East Surry hadn't had a high cup points and been put in 2A and had points the same as ER or MH that might have pushed ER ether to 2A or to the East.
But I question why Wells Cup Points or especially ISP should have anything to do with your classification?
Well I don’t know about the acronyms but I do know the Randolph/Chatham line is the divider between east and west…
 

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Well I don’t know about the acronyms but I do know the Randolph/Chatham line is the divider between east and west…
Yeah more I think about it I'd say ER probably would have been in the West no matter what.
After they did all the scores with the formula I meationed then once they had everyone in their classification they separated them in East & West were ER was on the bubble was the classification if one of the smaller ADM schools like Polk or East Surry as observeandreport pointed out hadn't had much higher cup points and been put in 1A then ER probably still been in the West but 2A.
 

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Actually, Eastern Randolph and North Moore are bastard children, being neither East or West, but both being thrown to to East or West in any given season. Neither are mountaineers or flatlanders, but both are more like gray clay, hilly area schools that reside in the heart of American pottery country. Remember, one of the oldest mountain ranges in the country ends in monadnocks in Randolph county (The Uwharrie Mountain Range). Northern Moore County is anything but flat, just hills and an endless forest of pine trees (and no cell reception). I recall back in the 90s when I had to cover a North Moore playoff game for the Western Region. They went three and a half hours EAST to play Tabor City, who was also playing in the west. Now that was a head scratcher. So, against ALL odds, were the two schools to miraculoulsy pull off an act of God and make the title game, it would really be a match-up of central regions teams, neither east or west.
 

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MA played at Whiteville one year in west side of playoffs.
Princeton came to MA one year too in west side.
 
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Yeah I know for sure in 06 but struggled in 2a and now in 1a, how the heck are they in 1a?
Struggled? I guess everyone has a different definition of struggling. Since 1989 Eastern Randolph football has participated in the NCHSAA playoffs every year except for three. From 3AA to now 1A they have always been in the tournament except for those three years. That’s fairly consistent by almost anyone’s definition…
 

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Before it starts with all the frozen precipitation Thursday or Friday over yonder in the mountain region of North Carolina , all you mountain cats throw your surfboard, surfboard wax, three or four pair of Ray Ban shades, extra flip flips in case one pair gets lost in an oceanside Triad Tiki Bar, and ride on down here because this weekend the waves will be like totally gnarly. crankin', and you'll be about to shoot the curl if you pay attention and are not too hungover . Hang ten, mountain dudes ! ! !
P.S. Eastern Randolph by ten.