Jordan Tucker to transfer.
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I agree, but ole Huck can go 10 deep when he has no choice due to all the talent being about the same after the starters. I think he does more with less than Duke does because usually we don't have less. We always have a bunch of players that could probably start any where else but duke due to the talent level. You better come in fighting and scraping or don't come in at all when you know what you're going against for playing time. AOC proved that and will only get better for next year.
He wasn’t known for his defense coming into Duke. He is a great shooter but not a great athlete. Alex O’Connell is already ahead of him on the bench. More athletic, fluid and versital and just as good as shooter so he decided to transfer. Barrett, Jones and Cam are going play 30 plus minutes a game next year. Goldwire is a backup point guard 5 to 10 mpg next year and Alex O’Connell will play 20 plus Minutes a game next year most likely as he adds weight. There is also a possibility that Trent Jr could come back next year.
I would have transferred too. He should go to Cuse, ND if not a Big East school like Villanova or Butler.
I would have transferred too. He should go to Cuse, ND if not a Big East school like Villanova or Butler.
So if a school like Kentucky has the same talent we do but doesn’t have the transfers we do does that mean Cal uses his bench and players more?
Now I see your point with AOC but this could be a case where the kid simply truly believes he was better then what the coaches saw. Duke really has no wing players with the exception of Trent who is really a sg. Minutes were there to be gotten.
Top 10 players want to play 30 plus minutes a game. They don’t want to play less than that. K wouldn’t get top 10 talent if he played a deep bench. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. There is a reason why UNC doesn’t get top recruits anymore.
Ding ding ding.....100% agree.
If I were a top ten talent, I wouldn't sit on ANYBODY'S bench for very long.
If we have the best talent usually, then why aren't our results better? Allen played 40, Bagley 39, and Trent 37.
I get that he gives most of the minutes to the starters, but I think managing the starters minutes just a tad bit better will benefit the team come March. Foul trouble may bite us down the road. To be honest, we were extremely lucky no one fouled out yesterday. We need our bench. Our starters gave up 93 yesterday and 89 at BC.
He’s 6’7 and can shoot it a la Semi and Mike G, so NBA hopes are more realistic than some other transfers we’ve had. He needs 35 mpg to put up points if he’s going to make it to the big bucks. There’s no way he makes it as a career bench player, even at Duke. Semi’s journey ended well, and so can Tucker’s. He looked at his options and decided playing at a decent school in January 2019 gives him a better chance than being a role player next year and having no guarantees after that (the Andre Dawkins route). Transferring to a lesser program almost guarantees he’ll get minutes, which likely gives him an edge towards the draft.
The Duke degree or any other degree comes in a distant second to NBA millions, so hard to criticize his decision too much. Hopefully he knows it’s more about self improvement and less about brand or recruit rankings. The grass is sometimes greener, and other times it is the same. I hope he finds playing time and does well. You can’t simulate game action in practice, and we just don’t have the game minutes to offer right now.
The Duke degree or any other degree comes in a distant second to NBA millions, so hard to criticize his decision too much. Hopefully he knows it’s more about self improvement and less about brand or recruit rankings. The grass is sometimes greener, and other times it is the same. I hope he finds playing time and does well. You can’t simulate game action in practice, and we just don’t have the game minutes to offer right now.
He probably has a certain feel about the situation and he can go somewhere else to be in the spot light. It's hard for freshman to sit and cheerlead when they have been told how good they are coming up.
Oh well. Alex and goldwire both are proving you don't have to be top ten players to get some burn here. This yr more then most I believe he just flat out must not want to work for it.
I just think his handle and defense are weak compared to Alex O, even if he’s got a great stroke. He may have worked just as hard as Alex. Luck and genetics, in addition to grit, matter for success. AO was just a better fit for now. Playing ball can be frustrating, just ask Quinn.
The NBA likes shooters, if he land in a good spot, I don't see why he couldn't improve enough to play at that level. Work hard on D and he could butter his bread, as a 3 and D guy for along time. The league has changed so much! No one wanted players like that 10-15 years ago, but now there are dozens of them.
Don't see where I said we always have the best players. I said we usually have players that could probably start anywhere else. And I was referring to a post about uncheat playing 10 players. As far as lack of results, if I had that answer or you, then it wouldn't be a question would it? I totally agree that we could use a deep bench, but like anything else, if you're not putting in effect, as it's been stated numerous times Tucker wasn't, then either work harder or do the easy thing and quit. This day and time, regardless of your occupation, nobody is handing you anything. If he wanted playing time, nobody stopped him from earning it.
I really don't care what Ky does and what it means if they don't have as many transfers as us with the same talent level. I can say, I'll trust what the GOAT does until he's gone. People transfer or stay for different reasons. Let me ask you a question? Do you think Ky recruits are willing to work for playing time and don't head for the door at the first sign of the coaching staff not stroking your ego?
I totally agree the minutes was there to be had if not this year, next year. Not only that, you're practicing against the best everyday, so with a great work ethic, take what you think you deserve. He quit on the team 14 games in, so in my opinion, he didn't want to work for time, or realized after Bagley committed, he wasn't going to get any. I'm glad Alex didn't take the same approach
These recruits that choose Duke, I would go out on a limb and say they know how it works, especially with coach and a short bench year end and out. People have been complaining about this for years, and recruits that watch Duke for a little bit can see that. So if you know that, and not willing to come in and earn your time, why even waste the time and show up?
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Thorpe I meant, and I just corrected....King thx buddy.....My bad....TJ Logan played his entire time at running back for UNC, whereas TJ THORPE (WR) was the individual who made the intraconference transfer to the Cavs from Chapel Hill.
OFC
To answer your question, no I don’t think they strike their ego but they also play. I’m not arguing tucker was a head scratcher as a commit anyway. If he couldn’t see the floor because he was lazy ok but the kid only played in two games mop up minutes. Wish him the best of luck.
Now the same theme has started that always starts with Duke. They are not a deep team. This has been said since K said it by everyone. So the question is gonna be asked was the kid that lazy or did he simply not see how he couldn’t see the floor being that he was the only wf.
Maybe it is the combination of having to work harder to get on the court and having to work harder in the classroom. Even without a system like The Cheaters, guys at most, not all other schools, don't have to work as hard in the classroom and get to enjoy a bit more of the party/ big man on campus life.
I say that because of his preseason comments and also knowing he was well aware of who else was on the team.
Some situations are completely obvious. Tucker's best bet was to redshirt, but I get it, many kids don't want to do it. Also, as for Alex and Goldwire, the both of them are backups at their natural positions and excelling. Tucker had to fight for minutes at the WF/SF, whether it was Allen, Trent, Marvin or even Jack, there was no room.
What made matters worst was next year's recruitment of two natural wings, a junior White and possibly Trent spelled no pt. He may just need next year off to regroup and get better somewhere else.
What made matters worst was next year's recruitment of two natural wings, a junior White and possibly Trent spelled no pt. He may just need next year off to regroup and get better somewhere else.
Hard to agree with this. He is very capable of playing at the next level. Very talented prospect. That is why the transfer. So he can display his talents. He will be another Semi. When you see him on the court in a system that works for him you will see his game flourish. Dukes system isn’t for every player coming out of HS. I really wish he would have fit in but I wish him the very best wherever he goes. He is chasing a dream like every one playing at Duke.
The reason UNC does not get top tier recruits is because of the cloud that was hanging over their program for several years now. The cloud has blowed away and ole Huck will be pulling his share of OADs from now on. Their Alum have very deep pockets just like UK.
In the off-season, Jordan Tucker was my top choice for 6th man. Javin was an unknown and Bagley had not yet reclassified and committed. His size, length, and alleged skill set set him apart from anyone else on the roster in ways I thought would give him an edge on PT. Bags' commitment, Gary's mature starting point, Javin's development, and AO's surprising readiness all ended up breaking in favor of the team but against JT's freshman PT.
There's an interesting trickle-down effect in the era of OADs. It used to be that a freshman could expect to sit behind more experienced players, then win their PT once they were in the system a year or two. Now that 4-year and even 3-year careers seem to translate into something negative about your draft "potential," even waiting a fraction of a season behind a certain OAD lottery pick is unacceptable for some.
I regret every transfer b/c it means someone who thought Duke was the place for them enough that they committed and arrived no longer feels that way... but there have been other transfers that troubled me far more. Best wishes to JT. May he be the best "Jordan" wherever he lands.
There's an interesting trickle-down effect in the era of OADs. It used to be that a freshman could expect to sit behind more experienced players, then win their PT once they were in the system a year or two. Now that 4-year and even 3-year careers seem to translate into something negative about your draft "potential," even waiting a fraction of a season behind a certain OAD lottery pick is unacceptable for some.
I regret every transfer b/c it means someone who thought Duke was the place for them enough that they committed and arrived no longer feels that way... but there have been other transfers that troubled me far more. Best wishes to JT. May he be the best "Jordan" wherever he lands.
I would say deeper because of the way they kept the $$$$ going to lawyers and PR folks during the scandal....
OFC
Please, please, PLEASE don't get my hopes up for Gary to return! I could see it happening, which makes it all that much more important to put it out of mind!
Barrett and Reddish committed after JT, which makes PT as a soph a huge challenge, and both AO and Javin have emerged as guys who would squeeze him (from different directions) on the wing even beyond next year.
Much too early to accurately see who will leave early other than Bagley and Carter.Who would have predicted that Tyus and Winslow would have left early at this stage of the season
Gary has had an up and down year. Barring a great late season run, he’ll certainly have a tough business decision to make after the season. If he did come back, he’d be very motivated to put up stats, which would help our cause.
That’s a good way to look at it but also who we have coming in might also help with his choice. Even though we have no bigs coming in and could play Barret at the stretch 4 as many have said on here. I do think he came in with the mind set to be OAD.
I understand everyone wants to play, but if I was ever good enough to earn a scholarship to Duke, I'd stick it out and not worry about playing time.
Try and get your degree in 3 years, work on your game non-stop, and even if you don't get to play too much, practicing everyday against top tier players is good enough. If after your third year, you don't see yourself getting that much playing time the following season, transfer out for your grad year. Not everyone is meant to be a star in college. Marvin Williams didn't start for UNC and still got drafted as the 2nd overall pick.
I went to a high school with a top tier basketball program and a guy that rode the pine got a low level D1 scholarship just because coaches saw him practice. He was good enough to dominate at another school but stuck it out because he practiced everyday against high major D1 players.
Try and get your degree in 3 years, work on your game non-stop, and even if you don't get to play too much, practicing everyday against top tier players is good enough. If after your third year, you don't see yourself getting that much playing time the following season, transfer out for your grad year. Not everyone is meant to be a star in college. Marvin Williams didn't start for UNC and still got drafted as the 2nd overall pick.
I went to a high school with a top tier basketball program and a guy that rode the pine got a low level D1 scholarship just because coaches saw him practice. He was good enough to dominate at another school but stuck it out because he practiced everyday against high major D1 players.
I'm glad he's going. Not because I don't like him, but because I see the same thing he see's. There are simply to many stronger players than him here now and coming in. He simply doesn't have that killer instinct it will take to compete for PT in that environment. So he's probably making a solid decision. I wish him the best of luck.
It seems like every year the crop of 1-and-dones are expanding in number. I haven’t gone back and looked at the stats, but off the cuff it doesn’t feel like many “on the fence” type guys are staying. It feels like the natural progression of the era and until something changes with the rule, or guys stop getting drafted on pure potential, it doesn’t feel ripe to change back. I can’t speak for how I will feel several months down the road but I’m guessing shocked if Trent ends up returning.
Right... but they DID leave. So did Luke. So did Frank. I know we have to keep it in perspective and enjoy the season, but being a little squirrelly is pretty understandable, I'd think.
I can't believe the recruits you still get that are somewhere in the 30-60 range. It's like an automatic bench sentence. None ever play and a large percentage leave after a year or 2. K showcases the 1@done talent with maybe 1 or 2 guys lucky enough to play with half the roster chilling out. What in the heck was that 7 foot sophomore that sits on the pine thinking right now. He's waisted 2 years he'll never get back. As for top 15 pick Dukes a no-brainer though.
Unfortunately you are correct. The margin for the non lottery picks is very slim. We can only hope the guys like Bolden, O'Connell and Delaurier really impress the staff and get quality minutes. It seems their leash is shorter than the "stud" when it comes to mistakes during the game.
Case in point is BC game. Grayson and Bagley played a combined 78-79 minutes yet had their worst games this season. Bolden makes a game saving play against Indiana and hardly plays the next game. Makes no sense sometimes.