Lets be real about Coach Haith

[libertychamp]

How well did he do with is OWN recruits at MISSOURI and how well will he do with all of his recruits this year 14-16 or worse? We don't need another BB or JP.. Also what is his record against P5 teams just asking?

 

[Gold*]

You are a tool.

 

[libertychamp]

How well did he do with is OWN recruits at MISSOURI and how well will he do with all of his recruits this year 14-16 or worse? We don't need another BB or JP.. Also what is his record against P5 teams just asking?

YOU SAID THE SAME THING WHEN I CRITICIZED JP AND BB.

 

[lawpoke87]

Can we give the guy more than eight games with his own players here at TU before we start making determinations?

 

[libertychamp]

Can we give the guy more than eight games with his own players here at TU before we start making determinations?

Ok law poke you think he will win more than 14 that's your opinion but I think you are wrong

 

[Gold*]

YOU SAID THE SAME THING WHEN I CRITICIZED JP AND BB.

Yes, you have been a tool for a long time.

 

[Weatherdemon]

I don't know what your expectations were for this year but we are where I thought we would be with most players and the team getting better as the season goes on and sitting at .500.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Ok law poke you think he will win more than 14 that's your opinion but I think you are wrong

I'm not really sure why I'm even responding, but going over 14 wins this season is not even a real measure of success. A few wins over or under 14 depending on the nature of the wins and losses and losing to or not losing to p5 teams, can still be a successful season. There is hardly a coach out there who will be faced with the kind of attrition we had this season and do much better this year. This is a rebuilding year. You not realizing that some time ago is why you are a young immature tool.

 

[drboobay]

Next year will be telling. on paper we should be loaded and with just Birt leaving plus any who have been encouraged to go, I have high expectations.

 

[I.I.]

libertychamp: Not sure what your basketball background is but you do this stuff every year and it helps no one and makes you really look bad.......... When we made the NCAA under Manning and Haith you disappeared. But welcome back.

 

[red dirt]

The level of talent that Haith has brought in does not compare to those coaches. Haith is doing a great job.

 

[TulsaCane95]

WTF? Isn't a little bit early in the season for this type of post?

"Lets be real about SUPPORTING Coach Haith" and our young team.

 

[astonmartin708_rivals]

I'm reserving judgement until the end of the season, but I do think that there have been a few too many recruiting gafs, and losses to subpar teams during Haiths time so far. If we end up under .500 I'll be pretty angry.

 

[Original TULSAFAN]

This is sarcasm, right?

Haith was handed a very limited squad the last couple of years without much roster options in light of the upperclassmen.

His recruits (most) can play - and Magnay could be an NBA lotto pick in 3 years.

I just want to see .500 ball this year. And next year back to the NCAAs.

 

[Air_Raid918]

We've gone from a Senior laden team who had played hundreds of games together, to a whole new group who has played a total of 8 games together. Wheeler, Magnay, Etou, Henderson, Korita and Taplin have all been solid. I think Haith brought in some great young players. We haven't had a big like Magnay since Kurtz, and I think he has potential to be better.

I don't have any complaints about Haith. Still have a long way to go this season. As for last 2 years. We've beaten UCONN twice, Cincinnati, Memphis twice, Temple twice, Wichita St., at OSU, and at SMU. Those are big time wins. Any hate for Haith is most likely only based on his past.

 

[astonmartin708_rivals]

We've gone from a Senior laden team who had played hundreds of games together, to a whole new group who has played a total of 8 games together. Wheeler, Magnay, Etou, Henderson, Korita and Taplin have all been solid. I think Haith brought in some great young players. We haven't had a big like Magnay since Kurtz, and I think he has potential to be better.

I don't have any complaints about Haith. Still have a long way to go this season. As for last 2 years. We've beaten UCONN twice, Cincinnati, Memphis twice, Temple twice, Wichita St., at OSU, and at SMU. Those are big time wins. Any hate for Haith is most likely only based on his past.

We're all well aware of what Haith was handed. We've also lost to: UALR twice, SEOSU, ORU twice, Jacksonville St., and we were blown out by a floundering Memphis squad in the conference tournament.

Haith had chances to recruit guys that could have had experience this season. Instead he brought in guys like Kajon Brown or Keondre Dew who did a nice job keeping that bench warm. On a team that so clearly had deficiencies with size down low and perimeter shooting, Haith hardly addressed those problems, instead he RS's Edogi when he was a big body we could have desperately used last season and we have very little to show for it considering Edogi hasn't shown much if any growth from that RS year, and it will just eat another scholly we could have used to improve the team next season.

I don't think Haith has completely flubbed the opportunities he was given, but he has certainly not made the most of what he was given. Like I said before, we shall see what the rest of the season holds. I'm sure Haith will be back next season no matter what, but if next season ends up similarly to this one, I'd be taking a long look at our options.

 

[Air_Raid918]

Agree with you on the losses. SEOUSU?? That was bad. Similar to Haith losing in NCAA first round to Norfolk State (15 seed) while at Missouri (2 seed). That trend has continued.

As with every coach, you generally make judgements after a year of playing with their own recruits. Next year's team will be a complete Haith squad. I've been more encouraged than disappointed by this year's inexperienced team.

 

[TU 1978]

This is young team that is still developing and could be interesting by the time AAC play begins.

Perhaps you can wait for judgement at the end of next season to shout at us again.

 

[cmullinsTU]

YOU SAID THE SAME THING WHEN I CRITICIZED JP AND BB.

 

[goldenhurricane2]

Good lord people - some of you guys need to get a grip. I think anyone with any type of basketball knowledge knew this would be a rebuilding year... haith has brought in more talent than we've seen in a while, but to expect a team that replaced 9 players to be an NCAA lock is ridiculous.

I want TU to be successful on the court just as much as you all do, but I just want to see continued improvement throughout the year. And I think from the first game through Saturday, we've seen some marked improvement by several players.

I think next year we'll be right back where we want to be - in the hunt for a conference championship and a trip to the big dance.

 

[canerush]

I think Korita is very close to getting dialed in. We need a wing presence we are not getting yet. Of course another big issue is hitting free throws. Freshman may very well carry
this team. Future looks bright!

 

[red dirt]

You realize that Manning left this program in a terrible situation and quite honestly, last years seniors were not very good. We got lucky to be where we were because the talent level was not very good. Go ahead and be angry about a .500 team. I am sure Haith really is concerned about you being angry.

 

[Barlass]

How well did he do with is OWN recruits at MISSOURI and how well will he do with all of his recruits this year 14-16 or worse? We don't need another BB or JP.. Also what is his record against P5 teams just asking?

What the hell does "p5" have to do with basketball? Three out of the last four titles are from schools not in a "p5" conference. The only thing powerful about the "power five" is their football money.

 

[astonmartin708_rivals]

You realize that Manning left this program in a terrible situation and quite honestly, last years seniors were not very good. We got lucky to be where we were because the talent level was not very good. Go ahead and be angry about a .500 team. I am sure Haith really is concerned about you being angry.

Ya, those seniors weren't very good. They made two NCAA tourneys despite poor mediocre defensive schemes on Haith's part and personnel mismanagement by Manning. Oh, James was a multi-year All Conference Team member, Shaq was the best guard I've ever seen without an outside shot.

Remember that Haith was trying to teach him to shoot? Well Shaq is now shooting over 40% from NBA range for the Suns' D-League squad. I'm tired of the excuse given to Haith that he inherited something bad. He inherited a VERY good team and he only did a mid-level coaching job with them.

 

[goldfan83]

9 seniors. Damn people

 

[tupatsfan]

Aston, you are a damn fool. Those seniors Weren't that great. They were high level CUSA players and Haith did a wonderful job with them save some stupid games. Oh, so shaq is shooting over 40%? If by 39% on only 28 attempts then sure. You are pure clown shoes bro. What did you expect him to do with that group? I loved Swannegan but was he a high level player? Did I mention you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[tupatsfan]

So Shaq is now 11/28 from 3...man that is AMAZING. I'm sure having NBA shooting coaches have helped him bring that % up over 40. I love Shaq, don't get me wrong, but again, acting like Haith did nothing for that team is ludicrous. Drop the pipe brah.

 

[Air_Raid918]

Ya, those seniors weren't very good. They made two NCAA tourneys despite poor mediocre defensive schemes on Haith's part and personnel mismanagement by Manning. Oh, James was a multi-year All Conference Team member, Shaq was the best guard I've ever seen without an outside shot.

Remember that Haith was trying to teach him to shoot? Well Shaq is now shooting over 40% from NBA range for the Suns' D-League squad. I'm tired of the excuse given to Haith that he inherited something bad. He inherited a VERY good team and he only did a mid-level coaching job with them.

We had 2 great guards on that team. Other than that, we had a bunch of solid role players. Our bigs this year have more talent. Wheeler has taken Woodard's place. Taplin is coming along at PG. We're just missing that wing presence right now that we thought Birt would handle, but it might end up being Korita.

 

[Tu Geo]

Tulsa is in the most competitive conference in school history. It could be argued that the Mo Valley of the 60-70's might have been just as tough but the American is a very good conference.

With that said Haith finished second and tied for third of the conference in both years.

Nobody thought the Tulsa players would be competitive in this league.

Haith is doing fine, this team is really young and hasn't really figured out how to play with each other yet, they will better as time goes on this season.

GO TU!!!!

 

[cmullinsTU]

Nobody thought the Tulsa players would be competitive in this league.

And this is why Manning left too.

 

[astonmartin708_rivals]

We had 2 great guards on that team. Other than that, we had a bunch of solid role players. Our bigs this year have more talent. Wheeler has taken Woodard's place. Taplin is coming along at PG. We're just missing that wing presence right now that we thought Birt would handle, but it might end up being Korita.

Wheeler is not as good as Woodard was. I doubt he even sniffs all conference. (That's not saying he's not good)

I don't agree that our bigs this year have more talent at the moment. There are more of them, certainly, but the actual production hasn't increased that much.

 

[tupatsfan]

LOL. So Magnay hasn't shown more talent than say, swannegan or wright? You are a tool.

Man, you make my head hurt. We have 9 new guys. The team as a whole has MUCH MORE talent, and more is on the way.

 

[TU_BLA]

Tulsa is in the most competitive conference in school history. It could be argued that the Mo Valley of the 60-70's might have been just as tough but the American is a very good conference.

With that said Haith finished second and tied for third of the conference in both years.

Nobody thought the Tulsa players would be competitive in this league.

Haith is doing fine, this team is really young and hasn't really figured out how to play with each other yet, they will better as time goes on this season.

GO TU!!!!

^This. Manning left for Wake Forest 1) Because he wanted to coach in that league and 2) because he didn't think the group of players he assembled could be competitive in the AAC. Well, he got #1, and he missed the boat on #2. They competed at a high level in the AAC and were about 3 minutes away from Haith taking them to the dance both years. And they were really limited inside. I think with Magnay and Etou, Haith has players inside he can work with. The improvement this team has shown an EXPONENTIAL GROWTH from game 1 to the last game at OSU. After game 1 I wasn't sure we'd win 10 games all season. I'm pretty sure we'll win 10 and we might finish top half of the AAC which would really be an outstanding season with a lot of room to continue to grow.

 

[cmullinsTU]

In my opinion a double-double (or triple-double) is a good indicator of a talented individual player. Our bigs already have more double-doubles, in 8 games, than the bigs had all of last season (I've also included guards from last season too as reference).

2016 - 2017 Season

• Junior Etou - Jacksonville St - 20 pts and 10 reb
• TK Edogi - New Orleans - 15 pts and 10 reb
• Junior Etou - ORU - 10 pts and 10 reb
• Will Magnay - Illinois St - 10 pts and 13 reb

2015 - 2016 Season

• James Woodard - Indiana St - 16 pts and 10 reb
• Shaq Harrison - ECU - 10 pts and 10 ast
• James Woodard - UCF - 18 pts and 10 reb
• Brandon Swannegan - Tulane - 19 pts and 11 reb
• James Woodard - Temple - 18 pts and 10 reb
• Marquel Curtis - UCF - 10 pts and 11 reb

Our guard play this season is nowhere close to the level of last season, but our bigs are ABSOLUTELY more talented than the group from last season.

 

[TU_BLA]

LOL. So Magnay hasn't shown more talent than say, swannegan or wright? You are a tool.

Man, you make my head hurt. We have 9 new guys. The team as a whole has MUCH MORE talent, and more is on the way.

Magnay and Etou >>>>>>>>>>>>>Wright and Swannegan. It's not even close. The fact Magnay gets as many blocked shots as he is without fouling out in less than 10 minutes playing time puts him above the very best of Wright in all of his 4 years. Offensively Etou is in a different league than any big we've had since KJ (and KJ wasn't a true big).

 

[TU_BLA]

Our guard play this season is nowhere close to the level of last season, but our bigs are ABSOLUTELY more talented than the group from last season.

But it is coming along faster than I expected. Taplin is going to be an outsanding PG for us and I think the confidence he has developed the last 2 games is really going to continue to build for him.

 

[astonmartin708_rivals]

In my opinion a double-double (or triple-double) is a good indicator of a talented individual player. Our bigs already have more double-doubles, in 8 games, than the bigs had all of last season (I've also included guards from last season too as reference).

2016 - 2017 Season

• Junior Etou - Jacksonville St - 20 pts and 10 reb
• TK Edogi - New Orleans - 15 pts and 10 reb
• Junior Etou - ORU - 10 pts and 10 reb
• Will Magnay - Illinois St - 10 pts and 13 reb

2015 - 2016 Season

• James Woodard - Indiana St - 16 pts and 10 reb
• Shaq Harrison - ECU - 10 pts and 10 ast
• James Woodard - UCF - 18 pts and 10 reb
• Brandon Swannegan - Tulane - 19 pts and 11 reb
• James Woodard - Temple - 18 pts and 10 reb
• Marquel Curtis - UCF - 10 pts and 11 reb

Our guard play this season is nowhere close to the level of last season, but our bigs are ABSOLUTELY more talented than the group from last season.

If you add up all the contributions by the 3 bigs from last season (Smitty, Wright, Swanny) and the 4 from this season (Etou, Magnay, Edogi, Igbanu) and then divide them by the number of contributors you get roughly the same average of points per big, and last year's squad was actually better at assists per big. The only thing this group does significantly better statwise is rebound, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that they're not competing with guards that normally sky for rebounds like Shaq or Juice did.

 

[astonmartin708_rivals]

Magnay and Etou >>>>>>>>>>>>>Wright and Swannegan. It's not even close. The fact Magnay gets as many blocked shots as he is without fouling out in less than 10 minutes playing time puts him above the very best of Wright in all of his 4 years. Offensively Etou is in a different league than any big we've had since KJ (and KJ wasn't a true big).

Offensively, Etou is selfish. He wants to be THE guy when he's better suited to be A guy.

 

[tupatsfan]

Yep, and last season's bigs were SENIORS and these bigs are younger and FRESHMAN.

Tool.

 

[nevadanatural]

If you can watch Etou and Magnay play then say Swannegan and Wright were better then I don't know what to say other than you have a hate agenda going. Ignoring the fact that two seniors are being compared to a junior and a freshman there is no comparison when it comes to athleticism, basketball IQ, and sheer mobility. If Magnay continues to develop at the rate he has so far he may go down as one of the best bigs to don a Tulsa uniform.