OT: Horrible news from my sons' high school
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I never said or implied that.
Every cadet at West Point isn't a work of art (like the cadets who OD'ed on Fentanyl last spring break) and every cop isn't either.
back in my uni days it was well known that if you drove down to FL with NY plates you have to be a little extra careful
That never happened to me there, but it did in rural AZ where I had a hyper nasty Trooper just looking to be an a-hole.
Certain LEOs in rural areas can think they ARE the law and can make it do what they want depending on their mood.
Now if you have a good guy, that can be a benefit since they can polish the pointy edges to enhance the spirit of the law by dropping a letter of it
Stop …now you’re just talking nonsense but why is that not surprising. Once again do you honestly believe ALL police local and state are corrupt biased. Remember there are many white, black, latino and other ethnicities who work in law enforcement all around. I served as a jurist in over 200+ cases … yes , I agree there are both good and bad cops but the theory that they are all in the bad category is more biased than solving the issues. Keep an open mind on what some wish to push in this country.
It sure as hell sounded that way . A bone to pick with cops for giving out a ticket . Here’s one: 1985 … a Friday 3:30 pm Linden to Rahway on Rahway Ave. As I’m passing the old Rex Gene store Linden is now Rahway… 30mph is now 25mph. A Rahway cop pulls out and pulls me over near Merck’s . When I ask why he stopped me the officer states you were going 32 in a 25. Puzzled I say officer the speed limit is 30. He blurts out… this is Rahway it’s 25 … that’s Linden that’s 30. It was ******** but even though it pissed me off he was doing his job. He wrote me a $35 ticket and told me I could contest it if I do chose to. The real issue was the two sneaky townships of Linden- Rahway .
Right now its a tough call because for most things the cops come late or not at all.
Troopers are best bet but that depends on area.
Last call I made was about a loose pitbull harassing pedestrians walking dogs - cops came in 45 minutes instead of five.
Before that I called about kids swimming in a dangerous area of the Hudson where swimming was illegal.
Cops told me it was hot and kids just wanted to cool off.
Kids learned nothing would happen and a few months later a kid drowned
All over the country this sort of thing goes on.
Many local areas show crime declines despite more crimes because people wont call anymore and cops wont respond so the crime stats drop but only on the surface.
Then the radicals say "see we dont need cops - stats are down!"
So you think crime has shrunk around the country because people don’t call? I would be curious to hear from the victims who were involved.
Oh those radicals ( and I’m assuming you mean in the Senate and Congress) mostly have their very own security details or did you mean the general populous? I’ m going to get a slice of pizza enjoy the weekend and most importantly keep you speed down.
Yes and its a well know problem although some areas are worse than others.
My area is saturated with illegals who are often not going to call police.
Sometimes its because they fear because of their legal status and other times its because they fear retribution.
When illegals are attacked its always by other minority groups the police dont want to bother with because if something goes wrong the local pols will hang them out.
Then the judges also let violent criminals out with no or low bail, and the perps go back to attack the victim (in most recent case with a baseball bat).
New FBI national crime data released with glaring holes in major cities — including NYC
"The FBI’s latest statistics show violent crime dropped in the US last year — but the data fails to account for thousands of places, including in big cities like New York and Los Angeles.Experts say the data, released as part of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report on Wednesday, has some glaring holes due to an “overwhelming” lack of participation by police.
Nearly 40% of all law enforcement agencies — including in the nation’s two largest cities — failed to submit any data to the feds..."
https://nypost.com/2022/10/05/new-fbi-national-crime-data-released-with-major-holes-in-nyc-la/
If only everyone on that thread who posted something different was called out. Over the years an ongoing back and forth with this now “Moderator “ ( several years ) has been an unfortunate thing. Definitely based upon the age disparity which is probably 20 years. I could be wrong but it just seems strange.
You had a long term argument with Spanky? What does the age disparity have to do with anything?
Agree- not the place…I had a few times where I wanted to respond but didn’t because it just isn’t the place
This is so very sad. One approach I always encourage with people of any age is to use Uber, something similar, or designated driver. I’m very happy my kids (now mid to late ‘20s) and their friends always take Uber if they’re drinking. If it is a money situation, as a parent, I always said I’d pay if need be. Many of us, myself included, are probably lucky to have survived with some of the discretions we elected.
I dont think it applies here but in regard to uber etc...all bars and restaurants should allow overnight parking to anyone that does call uber.
I’m not sure if it applies here or not; I don’t know where they were going or if anUber would have sufficed. In any case, I agree with your point. We are more fragile than we think, especially as youths.
Honestly parents could have prevented. As a parent I'm not letting my 17yr old non-experienced son driving to upstate NY at night from Wayne...I'm not letting my nonexperienced son drive to upstate NY during the daytime....so far as the passengers parents there is less than ZERO chance my 16 yr old son is going in a vehicle day or night with a 17 yr old driving to upstate NY. Extremely bad judgement on both their parts. I have 17yr old daughter that drives and she limited with the driving she is able to do and would not handle it any other way.
I havent seen the most recent reports but was this an uber type drive or kids doing a long drive to family vaca? Me and my friends often made 3+ hour trips with an open cooler, so, I cant judge but the original report seems something similar. Except that tried to run.
Just sucks- no matter what the reason
Kid was driving to upstate NY to spend time with an older brother camping and fishing during spring break. So not an Uber type drive.
that is what i thought. And hate to say- even when I was young and even sober as hell- me and my friends may have made a very dumb decision to make a run. Damn- the times we tried to pass other cars on rural roads was crazy too.
Forget the reason- it is horrible.
The stories leave a lot of unanswered questions, so it's hard to know what happened. One thing for sure: it's a tragedy whenever kids die.
Parents need to parent better. So many people in my town have purchased their 17 yr old kids cars. There is no reason for that at all. Very tragic to say the least but the kids parent should have had conversations with their child to pull over immediately when pulled over by police, to be respectful of the police officers etc. We have had that conversation with my daughter multiple times.
All we know for sure right now is that there are two dead teen-agers. There's so much we don't know. The Post story cites reports that the kids continued driving into the town, which makes it sound like they didn't pull over right away as they should have. But right now the facts are so unclear that I think we all should hesitate to make judgments.
Judge much?!
Purchase a car or use their parents, what does it matter? My daughter got a brand new car a week before she turned 17.. so did all her friends and most of the juniors. Doesn’t mean we don’t parent correctly. lol
She wasn’t allowed on highways for a very long time.
She basically drives to work and school.
We have an app that can track her speed. She abuses that and her Dad takes the car.
Back to thread topic-
Terrible tragedy. My heart breaks for their families.
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I agree with your point, but I am intrigued by "she wasn't allowed on highways for a long time." There is a lot of evidence that interstate highways are the safest of roads, in part because traffic is one way and in part because there are no intersections. https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine...tures-save-thousands-of-lives-annually-report
Sorry to hear about this, we went through a similiar situation my senior year in HS and it devastated the entire school and community. Unfortunately it happened twice the same year. A driver fell asleep with incredibly beautiful and athletically gifted twin sisters coming back from FL on spring break, one of the twins died. The other was a car full of players from the football team, one of them died and the other was paralyzed from the neck down.
I'm very sorry for your loss. Words always feel insufficient to me in such moments.
But I think you're right about hugging the parents.
Her dad didn’t feel comfortable with her on highways the first year. He wanted her to have more experience locally. I found it extremely odd, but a few of her friends weren’t permitted to go on the highways/parkway either. It must be something in the Nutley water
My friend’s son drove to Wildwood two weeks after he got his license and then in NYC.
They’re going to the Poconos for prom weekend and I don’t think she’s allowed to drive. Lol
When my father was teaching me to drive, he had me drive on the interstate. My mother, who was in the car, was very nervous. My father said, "Oh, this is easy. There's much less going on here than on surface roads." And he was right.Her dad didn’t feel comfortable with her on highways the first year. He wanted her to have more experience locally. I found it extremely odd, but a few of her friends weren’t permitted to go on the highways/parkway either. It must be something in the Nutley water
My friend’s son drove to Wildwood two weeks after he got his license and then in NYC.
They’re going to the Poconos for prom weekend and I don’t think she’s allowed to drive. Lol
Yes, it's all just speculation at this point, and we may never know what happened. But correct me if I'm wrong, a 17 year old has a probationary license from what I remember, so they shouldn't be allowed to drive a 16 year old without a supervising adult in the car. They might have panicked over being caught.
No, probationary driver can drive only one passenger without a supervising adult.
Her dad didn’t feel comfortable with her on highways the first year. He wanted her to have more experience locally. I found it extremely odd, but a few of her friends weren’t permitted to go on the highways/parkway either. It must be something in the Nutley water
My friend’s son drove to Wildwood two weeks after he got his license and then in NYC.
They’re going to the Poconos for prom weekend and I don’t think she’s allowed to drive. Lol
Driving in Manhattan? Hope his insurance is paid up. You can be a competent young driver but only experience provides you with the sense that the wingnut 3 cars up on the right is going to swerve into your lane just when you get to him. And sometimes experience isn't enough.
Keep in mind that "NYC" doesn't necessarily mean Manhattan. But your point is a good one. The entire city, including the outer boroughs, seems to specialize in terrible drivers. And you're right that Manhattan in particular is very bad even if one is just going straight east to west to get from one way in to another out.
In upstate NY, a driver under 21 can drive alone between 5 a.m. and 9 p.m. and can have a single passenger under 21 (more if the passengers are members of the drivers' family.) Between 9 p.m. and 5 p.m., the driver can be alone only if going to and from work or school; if not, there must be a parent or guardian in the front passenger seat. The accident happened at 10 pm. The cops may have been trying to pull the vehicle over to find out if the after-9 p.m. rules were being violated. I don't know whether these restrictions apply to drivers on out-of-state licenses, but I'm sure the cops at least wanted to see the license.. https://pappalardolaw.com/2020/11/junior-license-drivers-new-york-restrictions/
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New car! I got the sh*tty old station wagon. I said to my mom at the time, “thanks for the chick magnet mom”. Her reply, “keep it up and you’ll be back on that bike in no time”. The Blue Cruiser eventually turned out great, as we’d pile like 9 people in there.
I wonder if driving video games and driving videos on social media has adversely affected young drivers.
Since Fletch was quoted... 2022's "Confess Fletch" with Jon Hamm as Fletch was pretty good. If you have SHowtime via cable.. the Showtime Anytime app should be able to stream it for you if it is not in schedule to DVR.