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DJ Spanky

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Friday night 2 juniors were killed in a car accident up in NY. They were apparently driving up to spend spring break with an older brother. We first heard about it via social media late Saturday; more details are coming out now.

Two NJ High School Students Killed in Upstate NY Highway Crash: Police

Two NJ teens killed in upstate NY crash during police pursuit

I doubt they were trying to get away from that sheriff: if I were to guess I think most likely the driver hit the accelerator instead of the brake.
 
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DJ Spanky said:
Friday night 2 juniors were killed in a car accident up in NY. They were apparently driving up to spend spring break with an older brother. We first heard about it via social media late Saturday; more details are coming out now.

Two NJ High School Students Killed in Upstate NY Highway Crash: Police

Two NJ teens killed in upstate NY crash during police pursuit

I doubt they were trying to get away from that sheriff: if I were to guess I think most likely the driver hit the accelerator instead of the brake.
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Horrible news but you don’t accidentally go from 90 to 128.
 
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Reports today stated they were fleeing from the police upper NY to NJ. If verified as true that’s just sad all around. Kids probably had been drinking or weed drugs was in the car but …
 
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On NJ.com news. These are the two Wayne Hills students 17 years old .
 
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If you have teenagers and their driving tell them the same we all have done with our kids don’t drink and drive…I know every kid is gonna at some point drink , take drugs etc. but that is something schools need to really push with parents , guardians and teachers.
 
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Yah sounds like a tragic decision by the driver to try to flee, especially in foggy conditions.

Horrible all around, prayers to all
 
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Awful - no matter how you look at it. So many us us may have advice to take that is very valid but these were late teenagers who where no different then us at their ge,

As parents, we try to do our best and most likely their parent did too.

A shame RIP
 
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mikemarc1 said:
Never attempt to elude, period.
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Well, if you're a professional wheel man then it's more or less a job qualification.

The point being that much the same way a racing driver will never attempt a hot lap on an unfamiliar track, a good wheel guy will have driven the route and knows all the evasion opportunities.

Still, terrible tragedy. IMO all new drivers should be restricted to cars with "valet mode" enabled, or some other electronic gimmickry.
 
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I dont like that area .
Sheriffs and Troopers will give you a ticket for being a few miles over the limit.
That's how they fund their budgets.
Pockets of poverty - I've seen passenger cars on the road with different size tires.
I got a ticket in that area for going around 60.
A few months later Troopers called me because they were investigating death threats they had received.
Of course nothing like that explains a kid going so fast the car is clipping trees 12 ft up.
 
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ashokan said:
I dont like that area .
Sheriffs and Troopers will give you a ticket for being a few miles over the limit.
That's how they fund their budgets.
Pockets of poverty - I've seen passenger cars on the road with different size tires.
I got a ticket in that area for going around 60.
A few months later Troopers called me because they were investigating death threats they had received.
Of course nothing like that explains a kid going so fast the car is clipping trees 12 ft up.
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So you were breaking the law? Speeding is the cause and always has been a problem. I’ll give you an example of a good Trooper in NJ. On March 15th on the way to dinner at 5pm in NJ. My 50 year old son , his expectant wife , my wife and I were stopped in our township .Son was doing 32 in a 25 …pulled him over asked for license and registration. My son who is meticulously well organized asked the officer why he was pulled over? Said you were going over the speed limit. My son said , “ sorry I was when I noticed you behind me. I was doing …” the trooper said I’ll be right back . When he returned to us he said ,” I appreciate your honesty.” Where are you from…where are you going ? The trooper was a gentleman , professional and did let him go with the charge of …just slow down …you have a clean record for a long , long time. So I agree not every police or trooper is the same. People know this but let’s all be clear people daily are sailing along township roads, county highways doing speeds not 5-10 over but since pre 2019 …20-30 and more over the posted speed limit. . Sometimes one’s disdain for authority clouds the thought process regarding safety on the road.
 
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MoreCowbellRU said:
You can't outrun the radio. Just stop and hope to get a decent cop. There are many.
No ticket worth dying for.
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Growing up our neighbor was a N.J. State Trooper. Came home with a new interceptor vehicle which my dad and I walked over to see. Big V8 of course but his comment to us was that he didn't need to be faster than the vehicle he was chasing because "no one can outrun my radio" Great guy and family. In fact I played golf with one of his sons on Monday. Funny thing was that he always had lots of fireworks on the Fourth of July.
And yes, he worked the turnpike. Hmmmmm.
 
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Somehow you just know the pursuing police will get blamed for these two fatalities but we’ll see going forward.Meanwhile tell under age kids don’t run from the police.
 
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Sad and my heart goes out to the parents.
They are the ones feeling pain now .
May those kids RIP and their loved ones be able to overcome the void in their heart that they are feeling now.
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I lost my youngest son to a wreck 3 years ago. It was raining like crazy, lost control and hit a tree head on while wearing a seat belt, but speeding.
Not a day goes by without me thinking of him and praying for him and healing in my heart.
I often wonder what else I could have done as a parent to protect him. I know the answer, but it is still hard to live with .
‘if you know the parents, reach out to them and just hug them. They will live with this tragedy the rest of their lives.
 
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Southern Gentleman said:
I lost my youngest son to a wreck 3 years ago. It was raining like crazy, lost control and hit a tree head on while wearing a seat belt, but speeding.
Not a day goes by without me thinking of him and praying for him and healing in my heart.
I often wonder what else I could have done as a parent to protect him. I know the answer, but it is still hard to live with .
‘if you know the parents, reach out to them and just hug them. They will live with this tragedy the rest of their lives.
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Well said. Based on what I can gather from your posts here Southern, I'm willing to bet you did (and do) plenty good for your family. We can only teach our kids the best we can and hope everything goes well for them, but we really have little control after we show them the way and instill our values. My condolences in the loss of your son.
 
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RUBOB72 said:
If you have teenagers and their driving tell them the same we all have done with our kids don’t drink and drive…I know every kid is gonna at some point drink , take drugs etc. but that is something schools need to really push with parents , guardians and teachers.
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And I would add speed and drive recklessly. Scary as my 16 year old will be getting his license soon.
 
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Don't run from the law. Be respectful and responsible. My dad had this very serious talk me with when I was a pre-teen.
 
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Southern Gentleman said:
I lost my youngest son to a wreck 3 years ago. It was raining like crazy, lost control and hit a tree head on while wearing a seat belt, but speeding.
Not a day goes by without me thinking of him and praying for him and healing in my heart.
I often wonder what else I could have done as a parent to protect him. I know the answer, but it is still hard to live with .
‘if you know the parents, reach out to them and just hug them. They will live with this tragedy the rest of their lives.
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You did ALL that you could do for him
. You gave him your LOVE throughout his life.Where ever he is in his new existence,he will cherish that love forever.
 
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RUBOB72 said:
So you were breaking the law? Speeding is the cause and always has been a problem. I’ll give you an example of a good Trooper in NJ. On March 15th on the way to dinner at 5pm in NJ. My 50 year old son , his expectant wife , my wife and I were stopped in our township .Son was doing 32 in a 25 …pulled him over asked for license and registration. My son who is meticulously well organized asked the officer why he was pulled over? Said you were going over the speed limit. My son said , “ sorry I was when I noticed you behind me. I was doing …” the trooper said I’ll be right back . When he returned to us he said ,” I appreciate your honesty.” Where are you from…where are you going ? The trooper was a gentleman , professional and did let him go with the charge of …just slow down …you have a clean record for a long , long time. So I agree not every police or trooper is the same. People know this but let’s all be clear people daily are sailing along township roads, county highways doing speeds not 5-10 over but since pre 2019 …20-30 and more over the posted speed limit. . Sometimes one’s disdain for authority clouds the thought process regarding safety on the road.
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Removing a tag from a mattress is also against the law.
On any given day you can drive past a parked cop or trooper doing 60 in a 55 and not have a problem.
The one time I had a problem was in the backroads of upstate NY - which can be pretty hee-haw.

Back in the 90s I lived in a town with its own police so NYS Troopers stayed away.
Then there was a period where some Troopers were going offf-the-hook and encroaching.
One night I saw them racing up a 30 mph street doing well over 50mph and with all their lights off (headlights included).
They had their windows down and were laughing - they were just being rowdy jerks
Soon they were hiding near bars and pulling over pretty girls who had just left.
Eventually the Troopers were a recognized problem and they were moved out of the area - to upstate.
In some small places away from the main highways it pays to be alert and cautious because the tolerances for tourists passing through are pretty tight.
Not that any of that is involved in current crash.
Just that having lived in upstate and downstate NY - and having traveled it extensively - the crash area is one I avoid
 
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Niece and Nephew graduated from Hills. Was so sorry to hear about this tragic loss.
 
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ashokan said:
Removing a tag from a mattress is also against the law.
On any given day you can drive past a parked cop or trooper doing 60 in a 55 and not have a problem.
The one time I had a problem was in the backroads of upstate NY - which can be pretty hee-haw.

Back in the 90s I lived in a town with its own police so NYS Troopers stayed away.
Then there was a period where some Troopers were going offf-the-hook and encroaching.
One night I saw them racing up a 30 mph street doing well over 50mph and with all their lights off (headlights included).
They had their windows down and were laughing - they were just being rowdy jerks
Soon they were hiding near bars and pulling over pretty girls who had just left.
Eventually the Troopers were a recognized problem and they were moved out of the area - to upstate.
In some small places away from the main highways it pays to be alert and cautious because the tolerances for tourists passing through are pretty tight.
Not that any of that is involved in current crash.
Just that having lived in upstate and downstate NY - and having traveled it extensively - the crash area is one I avoid
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I grew up in Dutchess Co NY and pretty sure that NYS Troopers are limited as to what roads they can patrol. They aren't going to be sitting on a town road looking to pull anyone over. That would be the local guys/girls...
 
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ashokan said:
Removing a tag from a mattress is also against the law.
On any given day you can drive past a parked cop or trooper doing 60 in a 55 and not have a problem.
The one time I had a problem was in the backroads of upstate NY - which can be pretty hee-haw.

Back in the 90s I lived in a town with its own police so NYS Troopers stayed away.
Then there was a period where some Troopers were going offf-the-hook and encroaching.
One night I saw them racing up a 30 mph street doing well over 50mph and with all their lights off (headlights included).
They had their windows down and were laughing - they were just being rowdy jerks
Soon they were hiding near bars and pulling over pretty girls who had just left.
Eventually the Troopers were a recognized problem and they were moved out of the area - to upstate.
In some small places away from the main highways it pays to be alert and cautious because the tolerances for tourists passing through are pretty tight.
Not that any of that is involved in current crash.
Just that having lived in upstate and downstate NY - and having traveled it extensively - the crash area is one I avoid
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So you have a personal dislike for law enforcement but you would scream bloody murder if a child was in the street and got hit by the vehicle doing “ only” 32 mph. Not surprising since you live in that state where those so called “ hicks” ( your words not mine ) reside. Classic childishness but keep believing all cops are out to get someone for a quota.
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
I grew up in Dutchess Co NY and pretty sure that NYS Troopers are limited as to what roads they can patrol. They aren't going to be sitting on a town road looking to pull anyone over. That would be the local guys/girls...
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That's the way its supposed to be but I saw it go off the rails back in aughties.
Now things are more blurred because local cops ceased making traffic stops.
They wont go into certain areas where kids will try to get arrested friends out of the cop's car.
They will call Troopers in to do some heavy lifting (like making arrest in a project).

A few years ago many local illegals were driving without licenses and that's a reason they stopped traffic enforcement (sanctuary etc etc).
One day a woman with no license was barrelling down a long steep hill hill.
At one of the intersections it was hard to see what was over a slight hump in the hill.
The woman got over the hump and saw a parked Trooper.
She knew they still mean business and she panicked.
She ended-up on the sidewalk and hit a group of people - killing one.
I don't even drive in that area anymore because red lights and stop signs are just decorations to people.
 
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