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Woods joined McIlroy in saying that if LIV wants to work with the PGA Tour, Norman has to be out. He has too much animosity towards the Tour to think he would negotiate in good faith.

It will be interesting to watch. The Saudis don't give a crap about anyone's feelings. If they see a path towards making LIV stronger by working with the PGA Tour and they see Norman as an impediment, they'll toss his *** out faster than you can blink. The question is, how do they actually view Norman?
 

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Woods joined McIlroy in saying that if LIV wants to work with the PGA Tour, Norman has to be out. He has too much animosity towards the Tour to think he would negotiate in good faith.

It will be interesting to watch. The Saudis don't give a crap about anyone's feelings. If they see a path towards making LIV stronger by working with the PGA Tour and they see Norman as an impediment, they'll toss his *** out faster than you can blink. The question is, how do they actually view Norman?
Kick out Monahan as well. He is as much the cause of all this as anyone by treating players like crap for so long.
 
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Woods joined McIlroy in saying that if LIV wants to work with the PGA Tour, Norman has to be out. He has too much animosity towards the Tour to think he would negotiate in good faith.

It will be interesting to watch. The Saudis don't give a crap about anyone's feelings. If they see a path towards making LIV stronger by working with the PGA Tour and they see Norman as an impediment, they'll toss his *** out faster than you can blink. The question is, how do they actually view Norman?
It was rumored Taylor-Made CEO Mark King was in line to replace Norman m but the Saudi tour refuted that rumor.
He's gone ASAP if the PGA is willing to call a truce and Norman would be gone in a flash if that would help the LIV seal the deal.
The PGA won't treat Monahan that way because it would show the LIV had the type of negotiating leverage to force the PGA to make a change at the top and the PGA leadership wouldn't allow themselves to look weak when making a truce with the LIV.
 
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It was rumored Taylor-Made CEO Mark King was in line to replace Norman m but the Saudi tour refuted that rumor.
He's gone ASAP if the PGA is willing to call a truce and Norman would be gone in a flash if that would help the LIV seal the deal.
The PGA won't treat Monahan that way because it would show the LIV had the type of negotiating leverage to force the PGA to make a change at the top and the PGA leadership wouldn't allow themselves to look weak when making a truce with the LIV.

Yeah I have no love for Monahan but he seems to have the backing of the biggest names on the Tour like Woods, McIlroy, Thomas, etc. But Norman's fate is tied to the Saudi's. If they think he's become a detriment and view him as standing in the way of a truce with the PGA and them getting access to good TV deals, etc............. the Saudis would chuck his *** out without even blinking. If one is deciding who is in a better position at this point, it certainly would be Monaham.
 
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Masters just invited 16 LIV players to the 2023 event.
I thought it was allowing up to 16 LIV players to remain eligible for an invite, not inviting them to play the next Masters..
The 6 Past Master champions who have lifetime exemptions that play in the LIV are included in that list that are eligible for an invitation to play. Same or PGA players that have lifetime exemptions
Also included in the eligibility list are winners of other major championships, whether PGA or LIV..
Seems like the exemption list and being top 50 players at the end of 2022. got them eligible for an invite to play in the 2023 Masters
Just like PGA players in the top 50 have earned eligibility , but not assured of being invited..
I understand the invitations haven't been announced yet, but could be wrong about that
 
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Hasn’t been, wasn’t the first either. A Saudi prince bought Manchester City FC about 10 years ago and changed everything. Prior they were a club struggling to even stay in the premier league, now they have surpassed Manchester United as the top club in the city.

Additionally the Saudi’s have been heavily involved in Formula one racing for a number of years
 

Jtung230

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Hasn’t been, wasn’t the first either. A Saudi prince bought Manchester City FC about 10 years ago and changed everything. Prior they were a club struggling to even stay in the premier league, now they have surpassed Manchester United as the top club in the city.

Additionally the Saudi’s have been heavily involved in Formula one racing for a number of years
The difference is that they are not trying to start a new league to compete against it.
 

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Hasn’t been, wasn’t the first either. A Saudi prince bought Manchester City FC about 10 years ago and changed everything. Prior they were a club struggling to even stay in the premier league, now they have surpassed Manchester United as the top club in the city.

Additionally the Saudi’s have been heavily involved in Formula one racing for a number of years
He's from the UAE, not SA. The owners of Newcastle are Saudi. PSG is owned by Qatar.

Buying a soccer club is different than creating a golf league in that the soccer clubs are bragging rights items between the uber rich oil barons. Paying CR7 $200m/yr is to be able to say "I can buy the most famous footballer of this generation...look at me".
 

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He's from the UAE, not SA. The owners of Newcastle are Saudi. PSG is owned by Qatar.

Buying a soccer club is different than creating a golf league in that the soccer clubs are bragging rights items between the uber rich oil barons. Paying CR7 $200m/yr is to be able to say "I can buy the most famous footballer of this generation...look at me".
*2nd most famous…👍
 

Jtung230

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Surprised no discussion on the Sentry. What a finish! Following the trend of someone shooting a ridiculous low round on Sunday to catch a leader.
 

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The Sentry is usually one of my favorite tournaments. However there was just too much going on this year for me. Also, I seem to recall they always finished later on Sunday night. I tuned in after the Giants game and saw it ended by 8 PM (and the start of the NFL Sunday night game). That was a bummer.
 

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Love The PGA tour!
Love the competition and the pureness of it.
I wouldn’t walk across the street to watch a LIV event….no interest
I was just on the PGA Tour site and happened to see that DJ and Cam were still on there. You would have thought they would have removed all the LIV players. The Sentry would have been more fun if those guys would have been there.
 

MADHAT1

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Women’s pro tennis next …
Maybe not that but the WWE might be 😎
>the story was first reported by Cassidy Haynes of Bodyslam.net, who tweeted last night, "For what it's worth, I'm told the Saudi deal is done and they're taking the company private." Shortly thereafter, Steven Muehlhausen of DAZN tweeted out the same news, claiming that WWE "will go back to being private" for the first time since it became a publicly traded company in October 1999. Muehlhausen further tweeted it's "unknown if Vince McMahon will return to head of creative but it is expected by some people." This tweet has since been deleted.
The reports came hours after Stephanie McMahon announced her resignation as Chairwoman & Co-Ceo, following which a WWE press release confirmed that Vince McMahon had been unanimously elected as the Executive Chairman of the Board. The talk of a potential WWE sale picked up steam last Friday after the formerly retired McMahon — the controlling shareholder of WWE — reinstated himself to WWE's Board of Directors <

Read More: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/1163294/wwe-reportedly-sold-to-saudi-arabias-public-investment-fund/
 

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News starting to break saying the rumor isn't true. However, the WWE is definitely up for sale, so who knows!
Definitely up for sale! Vince is back in control to sell it. Never watched a second of that crap. The first reality show (with no reality)
 

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News starting to break saying the rumor isn't true. However, the WWE is definitely up for sale, so who knows!
This could be a reason for no sale or an unfounded rumor and nothing to do with why the Saudis and Vince won't be doing business
>Early reports suggested one talent within WWE had made it clear that they’d be “done” if such a sale took place but now Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful has reported that “multiple wrestlers” have told him that they will look to leave if the company is taken over by the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund.<
https://tjrwrestling.net/news/wrestlers-quit-wwe-sold-saudi-arabia-pif/

For all I know, the Saudis never had an interest in buying and the buying rumor was started by someone who wanted them to think about it. Hoping the idea would appeal to them .
 
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Rahm was 6 back with 9 to play and won by 2. The days of shooting par on Sunday to win are over. The courses are just defenseless against today’s players.
Tell that to Morikawa. I love Rahm but like Morikawa as well. You hate to see a game fall apart like that.
 

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I was happy to hear Rahm employed my scoring strategy when I’m hitting it solid😊
Hit the least amount of club when flushed that’ll get you pin high at best and can’t possibly fly the green….take dead aim and hit it hard.
Caution:
Beware of false fronts.
 
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It's definitely better than just YouTube but I saw some media experts on twitter saying survival will likely be based on them doing just enough on CW to then get one of the major sports networks interested.
It's a start and badly needed by the LIV.
"survival will likely be based on them doing just enough on CW to then get one of the major sports networks interested." is a fact and if the LIV proves to be popular on the CW Network major brands will come calling while the PGA gets ready to play Let's make a deal.
Lack of viewers on CW will end the LIV.( probably)
 

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It's definitely better than just YouTube but I saw some media experts on twitter saying survival will likely be based on them doing just enough on CW to then get one of the major sports networks interested.

Media hates the LIV. Take what they say with a grain of salt.
 

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CW gets eye balls for LIV on the traditional cable providers (ex. Optimum, Fios and Comcast) since they actually carry that channel. That is good for bars as well. Most streaming services don't carry CW, so I assume the broadcast will still be available via livgolf.com. Or I guess you could get an antenna.
 

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Media hates the LIV. Take what they say with a grain of salt.
all it will take is a network like CW to feel adding the LIV would be financially rewarding and the LIV will be part of its lineup.
If the public backlash looks like it will hurt the profit margin, as the deal is being looked into, the LIV will have to be a you tube affair until the powers to be decide it's not working as planned and end that tour
 
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Media hates the LIV. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

But common sense here would indicate the media experts could be right.

Unless CW is paying a massive amount to broadcast these events, LIV can't survive on smallish TV payouts from a third tier TV network. Their own COO said months ago that they need a legit broadcast partner. None would take them on now so they were left with finding a lower tiered partner that maybe can show their product is viable for a major sports network down the road.

The details of the deal will tell us more but as of now, there aren't any leaks as to the financial details.
 
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CW gets eye balls for LIV on the traditional cable providers (ex. Optimum, Fios and Comcast) since they actually carry that channel. That is good for bars as well. Most streaming services don't carry CW, so I assume the broadcast will still be available via livgolf.com. Or I guess you could get an antenna.

LOL. I was just thinking about this. We are about to dump Verizon to go to YouTube TV. Is CW on that platform? I don't watch CW so I have no idea. Haha.
 

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But common sense here would indicate the media experts could be right.

Unless CW is paying a massive amount to broadcast these events, LIV can't survive on smallish TV payouts from a third tier TV network. Their own COO said months ago that they need a legit broadcast partner. None would take them on now so they were left with finding a lower tiered partner that maybe can show their product is viable for a major sports network down the road.
might be the LIV is giving it a year on CW ( if low payout) to see if they can get enough viewers there to attract a major network to take them.
If not the tour will disband and become just another failed sports venture.