O-Coordinator Timing and Portal Impacts?

[Rutgers8086_rivals]

If GS does a deep dive analysis, will it be completed and a coordinator is hired before the portal opens up? If you were considering a transfer, would you go to a team without knowing the coordinator?
I would assume (hope) that some contacts with coaches have already been made.

 

[Powpow811]

I see the defense side coming back if they choose I believe be that Hoffman is gone they might keep camp for a coordinator and I dunno bout Shaw heard he was a upside in recruiting there is open at te coach cuz Susan was a fill in aurich is gone he buddy isn’t there anymore

 

[kupuna133]

I think Shaw Hoffman, and nunz stay in that order. But the O coordinator should have total control of hiring and he should be in place by end of next week if we are to have a chance in the portal.

 

[sct1111]

It's going to be hard to find an o-coordinator to take this job. There is nothing to work with besides Brown if he comes back. The OLine needs to develop significantly in the off season.

 

[Powpow811]

That’s why I say Hoffman nothing against him he became o line coach with not much experience lot of missed reads on oline and not a lot of push in games

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Well Fordham just lost in the FCS playoffs to New Hampshire. If he wants NE geography then the 2 names from there are available now. I've mentioned their OC Kevin Decker and how he's installed the Heupel/Briles offense there the last 2 years. I've seen their HC Joe Conlin mentioned too. I'm not sure who was responsible for the change and installation of it but whichever of those guys is, I'm fine giving him a shot. It would be a "culture shock" on offense for GS though so not sure it would happen.

 

[yessir321]

I really like Andrew Sowder from Kent State.

He runs an option offense that consistently ranks at the top of the conference and knows how to maximize a dual threat QB.

He got his start at Baylor as an assistant and essentially still runs the ‘RG3’ offense at Kent State

https://kentstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/andrew-sowder/971

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I really like Andrew Sowder from Kent State.

He runs an option offense that consistently ranks at the top of the conference and knows how to maximize a dual threat QB.

He got his start at Baylor as an assistant and essentially still runs the ‘RG3’ offense at Kent State

https://kentstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/andrew-sowder/971

Sean Lewis the KSU HC came from Dino Babers as his OC and so he runs a Briles type offense at KSU. Not sure if it's Lewis or Sowder (who I don't know) calling the plays and running the show.

 

[gef21]

It's going to be hard to find an o-coordinator to take this job. There is nothing to work with besides Brown if he comes back. The OLine needs to develop significantly in the off season.

I like our group of young WRs, and our QB has potential. Our RB stable is very good, and our OL is young. There is stuff to work with.

 

[newell138]

I like our group of young WRs, and our QB has potential. Our RB stable is very good, and our OL is young. There is stuff to work with.

I’m not so sure our QB has potential anymore. He’s not an accurate passer and doesn’t seem to have any running ability

 

[RUbacker]

If GS does a deep dive analysis, will it be completed and a coordinator is hired before the portal opens up? If you were considering a transfer, would you go to a team without knowing the coordinator?
I would assume (hope) that some contacts with coaches have already been made.

The process has started give it a little time. This needs to be the right hire .

 

[gef21]

I’m not so sure our QB has potential anymore. He’s not an accurate passer and doesn’t seem to have any running ability

He can run, but they limited what he ran.

Where he needs to develop is being strong enough to take the hits. PSU is a perfect example. If he steps into 3 throws in the first quarter we most likely score 21 points, but instead he fades to avoid the hit.

There are 6-8 moments every game that a QB determines the impact he is going to have. Many times that requires taking a big hit to make a big play.

 

[DanRU]

I’m not so sure our QB has potential anymore. He’s not an accurate passer and doesn’t seem to have any running ability

He is inexperienced but I'm starting to agree with this. I didn't watch the whole game but the time I saw him run wide, he was easily caught by a linebacker and his passes are rarely catchable even when he had time and a receiver was open.

 

[gef21]

He is inexperienced but I'm starting to agree with this. I didn't watch the whole game but the time I saw him run wide, he was easily caught by a linebacker and his passes are rarely catchable even when he had time and a receiver was open.

He was 65/145 5 TDs 7 INTs. I would add 8-10 drops in that. That puts him at roughly 50% completion with drops factored in. He had 21 carries for 156 yards (this does not include being sacked). That is 7.4 YPC on non sack plays.

If he learns to step into his throws, and we get a good TE, he can be a very good QB.

 

[PSU_Nut_rivals17625]

He was 65/145 5 TDs 7 INTs. I would add 8-10 drops in that. That puts him at roughly 50% completion with drops factored in. He had 21 carries for 156 yards (this does not include being sacked). That is 7.4 YPC on non sack plays.

If he learns to step into his throws, and we get a good TE, he can be a very good QB.

Even if you take out drops that is a terrible completion percentage. You realize that would rank him 105 in the NCAA? I am sure those qbs had drops also. Only one QB had a worse completion percentage then him this year. If he didn’t have 4 stars out of high school you wouldn’t be making all the excuses. The kid isn’t ready to play and probably needs a redshirt year just to learn the game.

 

[gef21]

Even if you take out drops that is a terrible completion percentage. You realize that would rank him 105 in the NCAA? I am sure those qbs had drops also. Only one QB had a worse completion percentage then him this year. If he didn’t have 4 stars out of high school you wouldn’t be making all the excuses. The kid isn’t ready to play and probably needs a redshirt year just to learn the game.

I literally do not care about stars at all. And I am not making excuses. I am purely stating that I think he can be a good QB and flashed moments but also has to take major steps.

You clearly have not read many of my posts at all.

 

[RUKiid]

Big year for Greg in the portal. Needs WR and TE help. A few impact players will make all the difference. An obvious statement yes but nonetheless true. We have really good D and serviceable special teams.

 

[shields]

Add in how many 3rd and nine situations vs Michigan and Penn State.

 

[kupuna133]

I literally do not care about stars at all. And I am not making excuses. I am purely stating that I think he can be a good QB and flashed moments but also has to take major steps.

You clearly have not read many of my posts at all.

I agree Gef. The kid has the tools. The coaches have to do a better job putting the players ina position to win.

There was very little getting the ball to playmakers in space within this offense. Outside of the Cruikshank sweep, that was predictable after the first week, there was very little spread in this spread offense. There was no RPO. There was no quick exploitation of the defense attacking with short slants TE dumps WR screens. The offense was very predictable. It’s bad when our group (5guys) sitting in the 200 level can predict the plays via personel and alignment with 75-80% accuracy.

 

[mdk02]

He can run, but they limited what he ran.

Where he needs to develop is being strong enough to take the hits. PSU is a perfect example. If he steps into 3 throws in the first quarter we most likely score 21 points, but instead he fades to avoid the hit.

There are 6-8 moments every game that a QB determines the impact he is going to have. Many times that requires taking a big hit to make a big play.

His running was also limited by his ankle most of the season

 

[Kbee3]

I literally do not care about stars at all. And I am not making excuses. I am purely stating that I think he can be a good QB and flashed moments but also has to take major steps.

You clearly have not read many of my posts at all.

There are however legitimate questions about his accuracy and ability to read defenses.
And how long it will take to improve on these....if that's even possible.
I agree that he appears to have been told not to run with the ball. And that defenses know this.

 

[Kbee3]

I agree Gef. The kid has the tools. The coaches have to do a better job putting the players ina position to win.

There was very little getting the ball to playmakers in space within this offense. Outside of the Cruikshank sweep, that was predictable after the first week, there was very little spread in this spread offense. There was no RPO. There was no quick exploitation of the defense attacking with short slants TE dumps WR screens. The offense was very predictable. It’s bad when our group (5guys) sitting in the 200 level can predict the plays via personel and alignment with 75-80% accuracy.

So true.
Did every first down play have to be a run behind the left guard ?
And most second down plays ?

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

I found it interesting that Schiano said in the post game that he had to assess everything, including whether he is the right guy to coach the team. Of course, his analysis will conclude that he is the right guy, but I still found that interesting.

 

[RUforlife]

I found it interesting that Schiano said in the post game that he had to assess everything, including whether he is the right guy to coach the team. Of course, his analysis will conclude that he is the right guy, but I still found that interesting.

If he was really a stand-up guy he would turn the analysis of his performance and whether he was the right guy to lead the program over to Hobbs and agree to waive any buyout clause if Hobbs determined he was not the right guy. But of course, Greg would never do the right thing, he is a used car salesman thru and thru.

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

I feel for Wimsatt. He is a very young kid with obvious talent that needs further development. The same can be said for virtually every other quarterback in their first year in college ball. Maybe the 5-stars do better but all need development. Then there is the issue of not having much of a team around him and receivers that drop passes and/or don't get themselves open. Add the pressure that he must feel and it's a bad situation for the kid.

I can say with reasonable certainty that Rutgers will not attract a better solution than what they have in Wimsatt. The kid needs and deserves good coaching in the offseason. Schiano should find and hire an experienced, high-level quarterback to develop the kid.

The team doesn't have a better option now and expecting a good quarterback to transfer in is overly optimistic. At some point, they have to develop the talent they have and stop looking for saviors to magically appear. To a different degree, the same holds true for the head coach. Think about it. I'm no Schiano fan but you have to consider who would replace him. What capable and experienced coach would come? Then the rebuilding starts all over again. I've been watching this for 38 years, since Anderson was hired. Every hire has been someone else's assistant coach. I have no reason to believe Rutgers would hire an experienced and proven head coach. Today, I can't imagine why any high-caliber kid would want to come to Rutgers, whether Schiano is there or a new unproven coach replaces him. The chicken or the egg dilemma remains.

 

[Jtung230]

I honestly think maybe we go more pro style. It works for Minnesota and Michigan.

 

[Rokodesh]

He was 65/145 5 TDs 7 INTs. I would add 8-10 drops in that. That puts him at roughly 50% completion with drops factored in. He had 21 carries for 156 yards (this does not include being sacked). That is 7.4 YPC on non sack plays.

If he learns to step into his throws, and we get a good TE, he can be a very good QB.

50% completion is dreadful bro

 

[gef21]

50% completion is dreadful bro

Didnt say it was good or bad. Just looking at data. But can we dive deeper? How many incompletions were under pressure? How many had no separation from the CB? How many were throwing the ball away?

What percent of our throws did we only send 2 or 3 out on routes?

My point is there is so much data and film to look at in order to make an argument.

 

[gef21]

If he was really a stand-up guy he would turn the analysis of his performance and whether he was the right guy to lead the program over to Hobbs and agree to waive any buyout clause if Hobbs determined he was not the right guy. But of course, Greg would never do the right thing, he is a used car salesman thru and thru.

Here is the thing, as a program things are better.

1. GPA is up.
2. The kids are being good kids
3. Fan day experience is improving.

As a HC you do a lot program running and not coaching (at any level of sports). He has to improve his OC and offensive staff. He needs to hire a STC.

I think his DC and D staff are phenomenal, but the offensive side has a lot to improve on from a coaching stand point.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I honestly think maybe we go more pro style. It works for Minnesota and Michigan.

I don’t like that path but it’s a definite possibility with a McNulty or Cignetti type.

 

[Jtung230]

I don’t like that path but it’s a definite possibility with a McNulty or Cignetti type.

If we can find a proven spread OC. Otherwise, its round peg in square hole.

 

[gef21]

I don’t like that path but it’s a definite possibility with a McNulty or Cignetti type.

This. Football is cylical. Now that LBs and SS are smaller and faster to deal with the spread we will see power football return.

I want to see Ace (two TE single back or 1 TE 1 H/FB) single back and two WR. Stretch zone. Then go 2x2 with a 2 WR and a TE and a WR with a single back and RPO.

Very hard to defend balance sets. Stretch, Counter, play action, RPO. There we go.

 

[RUforlife]

Didn't say it was good or bad. Just looking at data. But can we dive deeper? How many incompletions were under pressure? How many had no separation from the CB? How many were throwing the ball away?

What percent of our throws did we only send 2 or 3 out on routes?

My point is there is so much data and film to look at in order to make an argument.

Below is a summary of two young QBs, one is a true 18 year old freshman that just turned 19 playing for a first-year head coach and the other is a 19 year old redshirt freshman playing for a coach in his umpteenth season. We will get to see both these players next year. Which one has the most upside? Which would you want on your team in 2023?


2022
CMP: 268, ATT: 443, CMP%: 60.5, YDS: 3,028, AVG: 6.8, TD: 18, INT: 12, LNG: 78, RTG: 125.9
LAST GAME
CMP: 45, ATT: 63, CMP%: 71.4, YDS: 527, AVG: 8.4 , TD: 5, INT: 1, LNG: 40, RTG: 164.7

2022
CMP : 65, ATT: 145, CMP%: 44.8, YDS: 757, AVG: 5.2, TD: 5, INT: 7, LNG: 55, RTG: 90.4
LAST GAME
CMP: 5, ATT: 13, CMP%: 38.5, YDS: 48, AVG: 3.7, TD: 0, INT: 0, LNG: 27, RTG: 69.5

 

[shields]

Teel was 50% with Rice and Leonard on team. Kid has no weopons.

 

[mdk02]

If he was really a stand-up guy he would turn the analysis of his performance and whether he was the right guy to lead the program over to Hobbs and agree to waive any buyout clause if Hobbs determined he was not the right guy. But of course, Greg would never do the right thing, he is a used car salesman thru and thru.

Waive the buy out clause? Who the **** would? Names please.

 

[Yeah Baby]

I honestly think maybe we go more pro style. It works for Minnesota and Michigan.

Everyone was happy when we ran the ball well against BC and Indiana. When better teams shut us down it’s all due to play calling. Look no further than Michigan to see it’s all about the players and the execution. Sure play calling is a huge deal but the PC on teams with good players look like geniuses because every play they call works.

 

[Jtung230]

Everyone was happy when we ran the ball well against BC and Indiana. When better teams shut us down it’s all due to play calling. Look no further than Michigan to see it’s all about the players and the execution. Sure play calling is a huge deal but the PC on teams with good players look like geniuses because every play they call works.

I will put up Illinois as another example. Yes, it’ll be more difficult to beat more talented teams but it’s an identity that most in NJ can relate to and understand.

 

[Knight Shift]

Even if you take out drops that is a terrible completion percentage. You realize that would rank him 105 in the NCAA? I am sure those qbs had drops also. Only one QB had a worse completion percentage then him this year. If he didn’t have 4 stars out of high school you wouldn’t be making all the excuses. The kid isn’t ready to play and probably needs a redshirt year just to learn the game.

You are out of your element here, and need to take your Penn State glasses off. Not every team has 4 and 5 star talent at every position. We are talking Rutgers, where the OL is a patchwork group and not much in the way of receiver and TE talent. That has to factor in, doesn't it. And 145 passing attempts is not much to make judgement on.

Penix Jr threw 53.7% in 2021 at Indiana. He goes to Washington, and mircaculously he throws 66%.
Clayton Tune at Houston was at 50.4% is freshman year and progressed to the high 60's% in his last 2 years.
Jordan Travis at FSU was in the low to mid 50's and is now in the mid 60s.

EJ Warner at Temple was in the high 40s to low 50s most games, and in his last 4 games, he had 3 games in the mid 70s.

 

[Zimm80]

He was 65/145 5 TDs 7 INTs. I would add 8-10 drops in that. That puts him at roughly 50% completion with drops factored in. He had 21 carries for 156 yards (this does not include being sacked). That is 7.4 YPC on non sack plays.

If he learns to step into his throws, and we get a good TE, he can be a very good QB.

Bring in a good QB via the transfer portal if RU spends some money it could happen, Let them duke it out for the starting position , if Wimsatt wins fine if not he’s probably gone via portal , he may not even be here for the competition if he decides to move on , coaching changes will do that sometimes.

 

[Jtung230]

I’m all for a OC that can bring a stub QB with him.