Isn't that the motto for the Big Ten Champions Fund?
Rutgers Athletics has always said "you need to give me money".
Harsh reality about NIL
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Isn't that the motto for the Big Ten Champions Fund?
Rutgers Athletics has always said "you need to give me money".
Haha ya. This man ^ is right with that critique.
the current tone on the call to arms might be the weirdest approach with respect to a plea for dollars for any product or service I’ve ever heard.
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I can understand that. Everyone is motivated by different things.
Really?
How about the "pay to fly HC Schiano around" or the "slush fund for HC Schiano to spend as he sees fit" funds?
What exactly is the AD doing with Big Ten revenue if the call to arms is pay for jet fuel.
https://giving.scarletknights.com/campaigns/football-303893
Sorry but those schools still have tens of millions of dollars to spend that we don’t have and they now have millions of NIL $$$ to spend along with a whole boatload of others schools who now have more NIL $$$ than we will ever have. We will just fall further behind.
While I agree and have no interest in meeting players or coaches, isn't the whole point of The Court Club is to attend private dinners and meet the basketball staff?
A helicopter could, theoretically, be used to recruit 0 or 10 or 100 kids. And the call to arms is focused on positives.
A call to arms for NIL which emphasizes how much of a sad sack loser fanbase we are is just weird
So nothing has changed? Thanks for agreeing.
NIL has minimal impact on "falling behind".
As you said, they already had tens of millions more every year.
Yet nobody was so adamant about CFB ending and schools dropping football and money ruining college athletics.
I still want to help though.I think if there’s nothing extra of value to you then don’t spend money lol. I’m not spending money on something that i dont find valuableknight society will be deeper than just NIL though. One day it’ll be engrained in the community where it just makes sense to be a member instead of the alternative. Long road ahead though
I saw your posts about giving to charity via Twitter. That's good.
With giving to R fund, we get a tax deduction. We also get access to practice, on the field for one game and other donor events--but these are with other donors and the coaches, people who are in our age group.
Discourse like yours and Jon's, if that is his discourse, does nothing but divide the fanbase. That is not helpful. This is not politics of today. We all want the same thing. Some are justifiably not on board for philosophical or other reasons. No reason to call them names or miserable.
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Nope - further behind is definitely a change. Not that we get a boatload of 4 star recruits but there will be fewer and the quality of our 3 star recruits will fall.
Ever see Ray Catena’s Yacht? Christ. Its docked beside the Rum Runner in Sea Bright. Never realized he had that sort of money, had to look it up… his net worth is almost half a billion.
OK, I'm going to sound like Pollyanna here. Congress is going to pass Federal legislation on NIL. The reason is that it's intolerable to have different NIL rules in different states. Because it's intolerable, that legislation, IMHO, is going to happen sooner rather than later -- probably between now and the time Congress adjourns in December. The commissioners of the Power 5 conferences have testified that they want a ban on schools and boosters being part of NIl arrangements. That ban is almost certain to be part of the legislation. So the landscape is, IMHO, going to change greatly soon. At that point, NIL will be what it was intended to be: a way for athletes to be compensated for the value they create by their achievements rather than a way for schools to recruit and retain athletes. Like I say, I sound like Pollyanna. (Does anyone but me remember Polyanna?)
How will that be policed? If an alum owns a car dealership can they give an NIL deal to athlete? How about if they aren’t an alum but go to games? They did a lousy job of policing the old nobody gets paid policy and that had no gray area.
But the point of a school is academics not sports. Sports are ancillary. You are being paid to attend an academic institution through sport. That’s the difference.
"Sports are ancillary"
Also - Rutgers Athletics to bring in $100m/year in media revenue.
And yet still "Our pursuit of excellence, and climb to the top of the Big Ten, starts with every single member of Rutgers Nation."
Doesn't sound very ancillary to the Athletic Department and their beg for money.
https://giving.scarletknights.com/pages/home-25
The point is that a scholarship doesn’t effect outside compensation for anyone on academic or music scholarship and shouldnt effect an athlete either.
all 3 are are on scholarship to represent the university because of their unique talents. Only one of them had an entity (ncaa) controlling everything else.
No, it was long overdue. It needs to be called out. Some posters would be tarred and feathered if they said the same bs on other team’s boards.
I get the point you’re making, but wouldn’t you agree there are other benefits athletes get that music or academics don’t get?
I think the intentions behind NIL were all good and well, but the reality of NIL is complete **** as it opens the door for outside forces to abuse that idea.
I agree, they do. If adidas came in and sponsored the musicians and the academic scholars then I’m sure they would get the same things. It all comes back to who’s bringing in the money lol. I’ll never act like athletes don’t get a bunch of benefits. But it doesn’t change anything.
the only reason NIL is controversial is because the system the ncaa created. You cannot find any other industry in the country where this would be some sort of argument.
That's how I look at it. If you don't like what you see on the field, then you can do something about it. We've been given a golden opportunity when we were asked to join the Big 10. Now what are we going to do with it? Just let it die on the vine? No matter what your philosophy is, the reality is that all other schools are doing it and Rutgers needs NIL money to stay competitive.
I've signed up for $10 a month with TKR hoping that thousands would do the same. It's no big deal, but if everyone does it, it makes an impact. It looks like I need to do more. I have a little to pay off on a R Fund commitment, but once that's done, I'm upping it up to $50.
Not all of us…. I ONLY watch Rutgers and could give too ***** about any of the pro teams around here. I know I am in the minority… The problem is all the money spent of pro sports… Damn shame and hopefully more people decide shift focus to Rutgers in the coming years.
OK, so you are Dalton in Roadhouse. Got it. Good luck with your division and rancor.
I'm sure it won't be policed perfectly -- no law is -- but at least these "collectives" and other obvious abuses can be banned. (One idea being considered is preventing collectives from being considered as tax-exempt charitable organizations.) So too can institutional involvement in the process, e.g. calling alums together to "suggest" to them that they do NIL deals. The amount paid to athletes for NIL rights can be limited to fair market value of, say, having an athlete's image as part of a car dealer's marketing -- again, not something that can be enforced perfectly, but at least preventing deals that obviously have no purpose other than recruitment.
I think it is *very* unlikely, to say the least, that Congress will ban NIL (which Congress could do if it wants to because, after all, it is Congress that makes the antitrust laws and so Congress can determine what is or is not banned by them.) But Congress will, IMHO, set down some ground rules.
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Can't speak to his 5 mins at Rutgers but Taj did have a deal with Virtus Brand at Syracuse and transferred. This isn’t just a Rutgers thing. This has happened at big schools.
Everything down sizes in the Patriot league, including fan interest and the size of the fan base
I would no longer be interested in going to games myself
Does anyone realistically think RU will ever be able to compete with the likes of an OSU or Alabama? For those schools and the states, football is religion. RU alumni and NJ football fans simply don’t eat, sleep, and breathe, college football. Most times I can barely give my tickets away when I’m unable to attend a game. That says a lot. Also, IDK the youth football schedules in other states but every time I offer tickets to friends with kids that play football they can never go because they have their own games scheduled. IMO, RU needs to do a better job of getting support from local youth football teams to drive long term loyalty.
Its apparent to me that because the (Football) team is playing crappy to mediocre .....RU fans want something in return for their donations. That might be better seats, parking, a tax write off etc. Otherwise I'm hard pressed to understand why the same people whonhave a big problem giving directly to the workforce (players) dont seem to have a problem giving indirectly to funding management (coaches). The big complaint is that players scholarships and all kinds of perks. Don't coaches get pretty much the same perks (if not better) and at the same time make millions in salary?
Bottom line is winning. Win and 90% of the fan belly aching goes away. Continue with current on the field play and the discontent and hopelessness grows.
Bottom line is winning. Win and 90% of the fan belly aching goes away. Continue with current on the field play and the discontent and hopelessness grows.
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If rhe sales pitch amounts to, hey fan base, you need to give millions of dollars a year more so we might be able to compete with Illinois and Minnesota, let alone Ohio State and the true big dogs, you're not going to get far. It is a bottomless well of an arms race with no guarantees of any tangible result if player X decides to jump ship anyway. For me, I'd rather make donations to true humanitarian causes like Food for the Poor.
It's amazing what winning with exciting football can achieve. It's also amazing how few people want to watch a football team struggle to move the ball 3 feet in an age when teams score TDs in 28 seconds all game long. The game has changed and Rutgers keeps trying to put offenses on the field that nobody wants to see anymore. The solution is right there. Period
So maybe the answer is the conference should be paying the athletes? Not sure how that would work with title IV but if it’s a business there could be a salary structure for each sport and years of service. Just like where I work an engineer gets paid more than a secretary, those sports that drive revenue would get paid more than those that don’t.Its definitely acknowledged. Forever grateful for rutgers. I’ll be a fan for life. Will try to help anyone who is an alumni with whatever connections I’ve made for life.
but if you’re on the inside of p5 football/basketball you’d understand better. It’s a literal job. There’s no other way to describe it. The automatic reaction is always yeah well free school. These coaches aren’t getting paid millions for no reason. They are going to get you in the easiest classes and easiest majors to make sure you are successful on the field/court. Everybody’s doing communications, labor studies, and Africana studies. It’s not by accident
Yes they chose the lifestyle and the sacrifice but they should be making some money along the way due to that. Big ten is adding schools from California soon. Let’s call it what it is: a professional sports business. You can’t keep calling kids student athletes and refuse to acknowledge the student side
Unfortunately that makes too much sense and Title IV of course
This coming from a guy who ran track for 3 seasons all 4 years on a partial scholarship and worked camps in the summer for a pair of sneakers and some t-shirts. I would have no problem with other sports getting paid more money based on popularity or revenue produced
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I read a good amount of news about college football and I know there are NIL setups everywhere but where is the notion that so many of these mid tier or lower schools have money flowing so freely with NIL. Everyone isn't Texas/A&M/OSU etc..or anything even close. If these kind of schools had access to so much booster money, it would have shown up in other ways in their past history. I don't have the impression that most schools of mid tier or lower status have all this money dammed up and then suddenly NIL is available so it's ready to be released on such high levels. You might see a school here and there but I don't think it's widespread.
There's this notion that money leads to winning. It helps no doubt about it but it guarantees nothing. NIL ROI is not winning. ROI is unknown. How much money is wasted in the pros on busts and players that don't pan out. A lot and that's with professional scouting departments combing over tons of information. In college it will be worse and what will the people who aren't billionaires running a professional business feel about their dollars being thrown down the tube. Some won't care but I think a good portion will. I kind of wonder if NIL won't curtail itself to some degree as more time passes and ROI is a more known quantity as opposed to now where many are seeing NIL as a panacea.
There's this notion that money leads to winning. It helps no doubt about it but it guarantees nothing. NIL ROI is not winning. ROI is unknown. How much money is wasted in the pros on busts and players that don't pan out. A lot and that's with professional scouting departments combing over tons of information. In college it will be worse and what will the people who aren't billionaires running a professional business feel about their dollars being thrown down the tube. Some won't care but I think a good portion will. I kind of wonder if NIL won't curtail itself to some degree as more time passes and ROI is a more known quantity as opposed to now where many are seeing NIL as a panacea.
Again when have we ever competed with the likes of Alabama or OSU. It's no different than the past But I'll also say this, people have the idea that Alabama and OSU etc.. will be this way forever. Like my examples above, could you have gotten a more dominant team than Bowden's FSU in the ACC yet now WF has beat them 3 times in a row including in Tallahassee. Hell WF has even challenged Clemson but hasn't beaten them yet. KSU 3 out of 4 against OU and in Norman. Want to compare KSUs and WFs recruiting classes to FSU and OU? The idea that things will remain the same forever is wrong imo. The opportunity to compete is there and imo as good as it's ever been.
Our potential IMO is a team that can be ranked some of the time and can make a 12 team, or 16 team playoff, on occasion. NIL and portal has changed none of that for me.
Most likely not
But with an above average buy-in from fans (KTR / Geo's venture via affordable monthly dues), landing a few big corporations to do deals, and / or possibly a whale or 2 individual donor, we can absolutely compete with them
Do I think this will happen? No, b/c in my 40 years of Rutgers fandom, they've given me little reason for hope.
Am I doing my part? Yes, b/c I still have hope in this new landscape, whereas before NIL, the best I could hope for was 7/5-8/4 with the occasional 9/3 (and in most years, making a low level bowl would be the norm).
Personally, I think we'll be content to cash B1G checks, be right around 500 for football for the foreseeable future, and concentrate our $ and efforts towards other sports (BBall, Wrestling, Soccer, Lax, etc.) as the chances for competing there are greater than football
Truthfully, I'd be ok with that as long as football doesn't become completely irreverent and we don't go into a UConn level territory of having absolutely zero shot of competing with anyone with a pulse, ever
A 2006 level quality team was FAR more likely for GS to achieve with the old rules of transfer penalties, no portal or run amok NIL, and no teams buying your best players.
You, I and everyone else knew we’d see RR and BL for at least 3 years.
I believe under the old rules of stability and lack of player movement, GS would recruit and keep an NFL level laden team within 5 years.
Now we don’t have a chance in hell, and that includes if everyone of us donated 100 dollars a month.
How this give you hope is beyond me?
Please remember WHY we all wanted GS back!!!
We all knew he had coaching flaws.
We ALL wanted him back for one reason….the man could recruit.
Unfortunately he’s been neutered by NIL and our collectives don’t do bag money for 17 year old juniors in high school
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