ESPN may void the GOR if UNC and UVA goes to the SEC but would hold schools accountable if they go to the Big Ten. Are they really willing to play that dirty?
UNC/UVA to the SEC?
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SO...if everyone leaves the ACC, where does the buyout money go? A bunch of fat guys in an office somewhere? If you are ACC commissioner, maybe this is best case scenario. Or what if only Wake Forest is left behind? Do they get all the money?
UNC and UVA would be horrible academic fits in the SEC. Vanderbilt should be left by their lonesome in that regard. They are much better fits in the B1G.
@Bamm Bamm Rubble pulls this stuff from his a$$. How many threads will he start they are made up
There was someone on Twitter posting this with a blue check mark. It was no one I ever heard of though.
The OP is annoying as hell with all his threads, but this one does seem like there’s some smoke.
If true, it really forces Notre Dame’s hand a bit more.
If true, it really forces Notre Dame’s hand a bit more.
They'll be going to the SEC right after Kansas joins the Big 10!
Would they really? Texas a&m, the Longhorns and Missouri are respectable AAU members. I think the SEC is quietly trying to bolster its academic profile.
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ESPN can’t void the GOR. It is an agreement between the conference members.
A blue check mark? What is Twitter some sort of higher authority that validates people in a wide variety of subject matter? Not saying you, but people give far too much credence to Twitter and their blue check marks. Some of the most unhinged, unreliable people on Twitter have blue check marks. Most of them being celebrities and athletes and politicians of all persuasions.
Somewhat agree which is why I didn't post the thread myself when I saw it a few hours ago.
That’s what I’m thinking, it’s the conference that owns the rights not the media companies.
Plus I’ve seen no sports reporter mention this news even though I see the word SOURCE…what source exactly.
That said, I saw an interesting thread by James Kratch on how ESPN will not cede their rights to valuable ACC properties (even though they are less valuable than SEC and B1G properties ("teams/schools"), and ESPN will maneuver and rig the moves to benefit ESPN.
It's verifying someone's identity more than their content.
Is the Pope Argentine?!
At this point, I'm surprised anyone would doubt that ESPN would stoop that low. They've been doing it for years.
Once again, the GOR is a contract each school signs to cede control of their tv rights to the conference for X number of years. The conference signed a contract with ESPN where ESPN gets to broadcast those games for those years in return for payment to tte conference that is distributed to each school.
ESPN can play games, like claiming the value of the ACC rights is drastically reduced if UNC/UVA go to the B1G (helping the ACC in court and making it hard to replace them) while allowing the ACC to replace UNC/UVA with no reduction in payment if they go to the SEC. They can’t void the GOR or hold schools accountable to it, because it isn’t their agreement.
ESPN can play games, like claiming the value of the ACC rights is drastically reduced if UNC/UVA go to the B1G (helping the ACC in court and making it hard to replace them) while allowing the ACC to replace UNC/UVA with no reduction in payment if they go to the SEC. They can’t void the GOR or hold schools accountable to it, because it isn’t their agreement.
Exactly. If there has ever been another topic on this board that people seem to understand less, yet continually opine on than what a GOR is, I have yet to see it.
I don't get these notions that ESPN will do something that will cost them more money. I'll have to see it to believe it. They have these schools and properties at a good price and they're going to take action to increase that price and cost themselves more money? Who gives up a bargain? I don't see the motivation.
I'll use the precedent of CBS. They've had the SEC GOTW at a bargain price of 50M/yr and ESPN is now going to pay 300M/yr. At any time did CBS look to up or renegotiate that price with the SEC, including when they added Mizzou/A&M. The SEC wanted them to but CBS didn't. Instead it has wrung every last dollar out of the that bargain til the end. They'll cross the bridge when they come to it, hence the B10 offer for that timeslot.
How about the moves for Texas/OU. Has ESPN helped them out of their GOR to move over sooner as was talked about last year when the move was announced...."oh ESPN will help get them out of it" etc...nope haven't seen it yet. Even if they did by some chance get out if it, it would be on their own not because ESPN decided to pay hundreds of millions to help them.
This is the SEC a more valuable and influential property. They've gotten no help to get out of or renegotiate their CBS contract or move Texas/OU over sooner. So why would ESPN or any network spend hundreds of millions to help the ACC a property lower down the totem pole. They're in a business not charity, on top of which the days of spending like a drunken sailor for anything and everything are gone.
I'll use the precedent of CBS. They've had the SEC GOTW at a bargain price of 50M/yr and ESPN is now going to pay 300M/yr. At any time did CBS look to up or renegotiate that price with the SEC, including when they added Mizzou/A&M. The SEC wanted them to but CBS didn't. Instead it has wrung every last dollar out of the that bargain til the end. They'll cross the bridge when they come to it, hence the B10 offer for that timeslot.
How about the moves for Texas/OU. Has ESPN helped them out of their GOR to move over sooner as was talked about last year when the move was announced...."oh ESPN will help get them out of it" etc...nope haven't seen it yet. Even if they did by some chance get out if it, it would be on their own not because ESPN decided to pay hundreds of millions to help them.
This is the SEC a more valuable and influential property. They've gotten no help to get out of or renegotiate their CBS contract or move Texas/OU over sooner. So why would ESPN or any network spend hundreds of millions to help the ACC a property lower down the totem pole. They're in a business not charity, on top of which the days of spending like a drunken sailor for anything and everything are gone.
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Hate to break it to you but UGA, Florida and A&M and (eventually Texas) rank as high or higher (academically) as Rutgers.
FYI and HTH…carry on.
Not directly no but apparently the way the GOR is written, if there is a material change to those rights it gives teams an out.
So if ESPN figures out a way to break their contract with the ACC, that's a material change and it appears that gives teams the "out" they need.
Now whether ESPN is even thinking of dumping the ACC is another story.
This is the source of it….really come on now lol.
swimswam.com
Source: Virginia, North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson in Talks to Join SEC
A source told SwimSwam that Virginia, UNC, FSU, and Clemson are negotiating to join the SEC as ESPN attempts to void their 20-year TV deal with the ACC.
swimswam.com
Obviously the swim team is more connected than anyone. We all should know that.This is the source of it….really come on now lol.
Source: Virginia, North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson in Talks to Join SEC
A source told SwimSwam that Virginia, UNC, FSU, and Clemson are negotiating to join the SEC as ESPN attempts to void their 20-year TV deal with the ACC.
This has always cracked me up West Point Knight. I'm very proud of my Rutgers education and degree, and I get that other fans are as well, but we frequently act like we're Princeton and everybody else is a community college
A good example was last year, when many people were absolutely dumbfounded that academics could possibly have been a factor in Myles Johnson's decision to attend grad school at UCLA. It's kind of cute actually.UVA / UNC surprised me initially
Then I remembered it’s the wild west and nothing really surprises me anymore
Knew about A & M and UF, surprised to hear about UGA
Never feel something won't happen
Understand when a large amount of money might be involved, anything can happen.
The ACC might have a hold on the schools, but if those schools feel the payoff for leaving is high enough to make leaving worthwhile , they might just decide to pay the high price to leave
Understand when a large amount of money might be involved, anything can happen.
The ACC might have a hold on the schools, but if those schools feel the payoff for leaving is high enough to make leaving worthwhile , they might just decide to pay the high price to leave
It's funny. People in NJ think Rutgers is much worse than it is academically. And Rutgers grads act like it is much better than it is. Reality is somewhere in between. UNC and UVA are much better fits in the B1G, but at this point there are only so many golden tickets left and you take what you can get (assuming they could get out). If no B1G offer is available, they would be crazy to turn down the SEC. And it is every school for themselves right now. The idea that politics is going to hold anything up anymore is silly. Just look at Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. If politics didn't stop that, it isn't going to impact Washington or Oregon or UNC while their futures are at stake just to protect little brother. Same goes for old alliances. If UNC can move and no one wants little private school Duke, so be it. Schools are acting in their own interests and that is all that matters anymore. If you can come as a package and retain old rivalries great, but that isn't the driving force anymore. Not to mention, who outside of ND has that kind of juice? The B1G and SEC control the narrative, not the remaining schools who have zero leverage. The risk of being left out is far too great. It's about self preservationThis has always cracked me up West Point Knight. I'm very proud of my Rutgers education and degree, and I get that other fans are as well, but we frequently act like we're Princeton and everybody else is a community college
Well UNC did offer fake classes. Been on the SEC radar since.