Simple fact of the matter is no one brings the massive South Florida market (and good portions of Central FL too) like Miami. It's a ton of value added and UM will end up in either the SEC or the B1G (regardless of AAU affiliation -- like it doesn't matter for ND).
UNC/UVA to the SEC?
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All of this better or worse academically is a bunch of nonsense. There is an upper echelon of public universities, and Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Texas and maybe a few others are in that club, which might include University of Florida. After that, the judgments are mostly subjective and based on perceptions of prestige. Also, certain schools such as Georgia Tech and Purdue are very strong in engineering/STEM, but they may be weaker than "lower ranked" schools in humanities, business or other subjects.
Interesting tweet:
The rumor mill is getting crazy. SO HAPPY this barely impacts us.
Georgia had a governor in the 90s that started a tuition program funded by the state lottery. In state tuition is free for an undergraduate public school for students that graduate with a 3.7 GPA (unweighted) in core academic classes, and 90% of tuition paid if they graduate with a 3.0 GPA. That kept a lot more kids looking to stay in state and it is now quite difficult to get into UGA.
Athens such a great town
If I’m a 5 star and they offer w Kirby, recent success, Southern talent and the NIL $$, it’d been hard to say no
Can’t blame Fran for making the jump
After learning that USC/UCLA came TO Kevin Warren -- I really hope he doesn't mess this situation up. Whether a rumor or not, letting UNC go to SEC over B1G would be awful. And Kratch is right, ESPN would do whatever it takes to keep UNC/UVA away from B1G/Fox.
ESPN won't let Fox win the day. They'll push SEC to expand. B1G has to beat em to the punch.
ESPN won't let Fox win the day. They'll push SEC to expand. B1G has to beat em to the punch.
Shut up already with your Warren nonsense. You are not qualified to clean Warren's toilet.
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So.... ND, Stanford, Washington, Oregon to B1G. The ACC folds into the SEC. And the Pac 12 folds into the Big 12.
Wow! A politician who actually used the lottery for education instead of a slush fund. Good on him for using the funds as they were intended to be used.
No one should still be laboring under the belief that any of this has anything to do with academics, even if the presidents and communications offices are ratcheting up the "academics" and "student-athlete" rhetoric to offset the pure farce that teams routinely traveling coast-to-coast for league games in some way enhances the students' academic experience.
Their nerve and shamelessness is almost breathtaking at this point. It's all and only about maximizing media revenue, at least beyond any political maneuvering by state legislatures. To the extent that institutions are aligned academically, it's a wonderful coincidence that helps perpetuate the propaganda.
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Similar to ours. New markets. And their AD is very good. At least for now.
Oh hey, our forum’s actual resident a$$hole surfaces again!
Unlike you, I work in corporate media and are lot closer to the decision makers than you’ll ever be
I would think UVA may be more valuable to the SEC than the BIG because we already have some of their TV footprint covered by Maryland.
You know on top of all these financial reasons why it doesn't make sense for ESPN to break up the ACC, is the reason that's been said all along.
If the ACC collapses that only forces ND to go to the B10. We all think that's the GOR expiration time in the 2030s. Why would ESPN do something to push ND into the B10's arms sooner than that. I mean there will likely always be a path for ND in whatever playoff format they come up with because the SEC/ESPN wouldn't want to force ND into the B10 by locking them out of the playoffs. So why would they want to break up the ACC before the mid 2030s?
UNC I could see ( expands the SEC footprint and another good brand) but UVA no way. If the SEC wants to get into Virginia, VT a better fit
Stop with the UVa bull crap. The B10 & SEC don’t want them. They bring nothing other than less money for the other schools. Someone present a cogent argument for the addition of UVA . “Oh they’re between MD and NC and have a nice campus, Moose”
That’s not the reason.
The academic super conference is the driver far more than you guys think. It’s how the B1G separates itself from SEC. It’s how every president and BOT gets on-board. It’s how the B1G is around not just for a TV cycle, but generations.
UNC is the prize. And they want a partner in the south. Personally, I think it’ll still be Duke. But headwinds are stronger for UVA. Locking down two growing state schools with excellent academics/research/md school is the goal.
Sandwiching DC with UVA and MD gives B1G legislative power, which becomes significant as things more forward.
I also have never stated that UVA is the immediate move. B1G is clearly going west, because they won’t leave USC/UCLA on an island. But southern expansion is important to them too. Whether we like it or not, B1G and SEC are moving to superconference/league. Only southern AAU teams they can choose from are UNC/UVA/DUKE/GTECH. So yeahhhhh, it puts UVA in rare company.
UVA is like Rutgers. We certainly didn’t bring athletic or brand value to B1G. It was the combination of potential and serving the B1G alumni/subscribers in tri-state area. B1G would not be recruiting UVA for their sports (like RU) — they’re recruiting to lock down the states of North Carolina and Virginia for decades of growth.
All of this is also why they’re not going to leave Stanford on sidelines, and is likely the top expansion choice from Pac-12. They’re being dangled as a carrot for Notre Dame right now, because B1G doesn’t want to expand with odd numbers. Another reason why B1G’s long-sought prize of UNC (Delaney wanted them badly) would want a partner — Duke or UVA.
Also, despite how crazy it may sound, UVA is almost certainly higher on the pecking order than Oregon for 1 big statistic difference.
Oregon Population: ~4M
Virginia Population: ~8.5M
And for comparison
North Carolina: ~10.5M
Maryland: ~6M
Washington: ~8M
I think Washington is Stanford’s partner if ND balks. And Washington would be above UVA, because of Seattle, western push, and insane research dollars.
Good Brands like Oregon have added marketing value — of course. But getting UVA & UNC locks down TV/internet sets for 19M people. Right now, the only people in NC/UVA who want a B1G tv subscription are B1G fans that moved there.
Notre Dame’s the big whale, because it pushes B1G network nationwide, and helps gel developing markets. ie a casual UNC fan who wants to watch UNC v. ND
I think they will be. Sure, people saying it’ll be Wash & Oregon — but my money would be on Stanford, Wash, Cal.
Tough deciding between Washington and Cal if you HAD to, but B1G/Fox has the metrics that we can’t see. And tbh, I don’t think any of those 3 get left out.
Stanford’s 38B endowment plus prestige plus silicon valley puts them a hair above Cal, but Cal’s a big prize too.
USC & UCLA had to do first move to get the gears going. And I think drama queen ND is holding everything up. USC/UCLA were no brainers.
Adding Stanford, Cal, Washington would instantly make B1G the Ivy League of Division 1 sports. But I think B1G needs a splash team to round out the expansion with weaker football brands.
Some of the Rutgers academic snobbery dates to us old Rutgers College grads.
At my freshman orientation we were told our class had the second highest academic profile of any state college/university, behind only Cal Berkeley. Some of my grad school mates thought Rutgers was an Ivy. It seemed the farther west from NJ you went the greater was the Rutgers rep.
At my freshman orientation we were told our class had the second highest academic profile of any state college/university, behind only Cal Berkeley. Some of my grad school mates thought Rutgers was an Ivy. It seemed the farther west from NJ you went the greater was the Rutgers rep.
The Big Ten absolutely should invite Kansas and just pay them less until the next contract comes along. UVa and UNC too. Get ND in there (since the ACC will at that point be on its way to death) and then you can worry about which 4 Western teams to add to get a 24.
Kansas brings almost nothing compared to other options and you can get Kansas at any time. They already have a place and aren’t going anywhere. No reason to cut the pie into another share unless they are coming in as Notre Dame’s partner.
Listen I know UVA isn’t a football juggernaut but they have numerous NCAA championships including one in basketball and Virginia is a growing state with a population similar to NJ. sorry but Rutgers isn’t UVA in sports or academics