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How does adding USC and UCLA to the B1G affect hoops?

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Titanic news....adding, in particular, one of the most storied programs EVER in UCLA to an already tough B1G slate....this is going to make for some creative scheduling now! You have to figure the West Coast teams will be scheduled concurrently to allow the team to do a west coast swing...same with them coming east....

Exciting times!

Pike should be excited!
 
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I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
 
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UCLA assistant Darren Savino will be happy! And Rutgers fans get a chance to greet and meet Bill Walton.
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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Guess that means RU had better start piling up 10 plus wins a year starting now.
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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Rutgers will be in that super conference in 2024z
 
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2022-23(13 opponents) 2 year rotation
7 teams home/road, 3 home, 3 road.. 20 games

2024-25(15 opponents) 3 yr rotation?
5 teams home/road, 5 home, 5 road.. 20 games
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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I see it opposite. Seems like this was the move to prevent this very prophecy.
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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This is my concern about getting too big …that the 24 team league realizes that 12 are pulling in 75% of the dough value and say “maybw we break off and leave the other 12 behind “
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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What makes you say that?
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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I think that would be what’s best for Alabama and Georgia. The BIG superpower are better off where they are.
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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I wouldn’t worry about this happening 10 years from now. Aren’t the predictions the world is ending in 2030 due to climate changes ?
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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Exactly
 
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kcg88 said:
I'm fairly certain within 10 years there will be a superconference of teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, along with perhaps UCLA, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State (plus the best of the SEC and ACC and Big 12). Rutgers will not be invited to this superconference and will find themselves in a league with Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Not the worst spot to be but not as good as we've had it the past 2-3 years.
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What is it that has you concerned?

I have a different take on things. First, we know boards mean nothing as Cali is not boarding another B1G state. Academics do matter, and that separates the B1G from the SEC. Otherwise, Clemson would have been a strike in the heart of SEC country. Clemson is a strong program and offers plenty the B1G could use, such as a "named" program that adds value to the TV deal. More importantly, the B1G is holding on to sports and academics (and markets more recently) as a package, while the SEC has made it clear it's about sports and money. We complain about some of the *sses in the B1G, like Michigan and Ohio State, for looking down on us as inferior academically and in sports. I can't see those schools suddenly dropping that aspect of who they are so they can join forces with Alabama, LSU, or Tennessee. There is a reason why rich people don't live in bad neighborhoods.

I was listening to an Alabama radio station podcast, and they said The SEC and B1G are the two best conferences in the country, but their visions of college football are so different. It would make it difficult for teams to join up as a super conference unless one conference changes its approach to the game. They said the B1G could pluck a few ACC schools but are they worth the trouble since the ACC is locked up with ESPN. The legal battle for any of those schools to get free may not be worth the time and effort of the B1G. The Pac 12 is a little more realistic. What they said could happen between the B1G and the SEC is like the NFL. Each conference has a playoff, and the winner plays the other for a championship.

The crew said when the dust is settled, it would be around 40 or so teams between the two conferences with several programs on the outside looking in because they don't bring enough to make conferences change teams beyond what they already have. The crew adds that there are not too many "named & valued" programs with a national appeal still available. They don't see each conference going beyond 20 before they see diminishing returns.
 
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I think when the dust settles we aren’t one of the 40. I think NIL and lack of donors will be a huge factor……quite frankly I am OK with it.

I am in the minority (for sure!). I’d be happy back in the A10.
 
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I think when the dust settles we aren’t one of the 40. I think NIL and lack of donors will be a huge factor……quite frankly I am OK with it.

I am in the minority (for sure!). I’d be happy back in the A10.
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I think that's part of the problem with Rutgers. Everyone is content with thinking small. If that was the case all along, why commit to big-time sports?

The RUTGERS SCREW IS NOT REAL. It lives in a deep dark place in the far reaches of your mind. 🤣
 
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cubuffsdoug said:
I think that's part of the problem with Rutgers. Everyone is content with thinking small. If that was the case all along, why commit to big-time sports?

The RUTGERS SCREW IS NOT REAL. It lives in a deep dark place in the far reaches of your mind. 🤣
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That’s just me. I enjoy basketball, doesn’t matter if it is B1G or Ivy League.
 
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My guess is the B10 will adopt the Pac12 scheduling procedure. Two east coast/midwest teams will travel to Cali for a week and play UCLA on Thursday and USC on Saturday (or vice versa).
 
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BillyC80 said:
Can’t see this major university in the New York metropolitan area being left out of that super conference, for both D1 Football and Basketball, especially when we’re already in it.
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There can’t be a super conference that works for basketball. No Gonzaga, Villanova, Duke, etc. Kentucky? Georgia and company don’t exactly qualify as great hoops programs.

For football - everyone will soon see the end game is starting to shape up and it won’t evolve to be only 30 teams of relevance. Suddenly a 12 team playoff is going to seem just fine to the enhanced BIG. A pod system will work out quite nicely. I’d bet on OSU and Michigan not being in the same pod (they’d just have a guaranteed annual match up in intra pod play). The idea would be a set up so OSU wins the east most years. Michigan wins their Midwest division. USC or UCLA win the west. All division winners would make the play offs pretty much every year plus a few others. The merged ACC/B12/PAC would just get their auto bid most years. Debatable is G5 would get a guaranteed auto bid. The key change is going to be a bigger cut for individual teams advancing and getting into the playoffs. That’s what’s going to make it so that a super league isn’t desirable for any of the blue bloods except Alabama.
 
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There can’t be a super conference that works for basketball. No Gonzaga, Villanova, Duke, etc. Kentucky? Georgia and company don’t exactly qualify as great hoops programs.
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Things are changing fast. Until there are changes to NIL rules money can buy a basketball team. The issue is that revenue from being in a super conference really can't make it's way to directly (or indirectly) pay the players.
 
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BillyC80 said:
Can’t see this major university in the New York metropolitan area being left out of that super conference, for both D1 Football and Basketball, especially when we’re already in it.
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If a school can't compete it won't matter if they are from NY metro area. Eyeballs arent going to watch RU lose to OSU by 35 points.
 
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If a school can't compete it won't matter if they are from NY metro area. Eyeballs arent going to watch RU lose to OSU by 35 points.
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I think you’re both right. What I see happening if conference expands to say 20-22 schools is a Premier Soccer format for football. Top 10 in 1 division and bottom 10 in 2nd division. Every year bottom 2 -4 from top division and top 2 -4from bottom division move up / down.
 
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BigEastPhil said:
I think you’re both right. What I see happening if conference expands to say 20-22 schools is a Premier Soccer format for football. Top 10 in 1 division and bottom 10 in 2nd division. Every year bottom 2 -4 from top division and top 2 -4from bottom division move up / down.
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That was my exact thought.....a way to unevenly distribute in a fair and predetermined way. I could also see, with added technology, an ability to determine what schools and their fans are watching the content that gets the conference paid. Revenue could also get paid that way too.
 
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That was my exact thought.....a way to unevenly distribute in a fair and predetermined way. I could also see, with added technology, an ability to determine what schools and their fans are watching the content that gets the conference paid. Revenue could also get paid that way too.
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I think the money is going to be in the playoff system. For both sports - there will be a shift there for March Madness too. The days of an even allocation of proceeds across the conference will end. That’ll be the incentive not to have a super conference. OSU will net more making the playoffs as a BIG representative team every year than their chunk of the 30 team split would be. They can’t really expand the playoff to more than 4 in a super conference model or 8 max. It would be redundantly stupid.
 
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How about a mega-conference named D1 and a bunch of subdivisions with names like SEC, B1G, WAC, ACC, etc.?
 
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