Official (?) 2022 NBA Draft gameday thread
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Not victory lap. I never said one way or another with certainty.
Defaulted to actual NBA experts when relying on draft prospects.
Just wondering about all the guarantees people kept throwing out "RHJ will definetelt be drafted. Why can't he be a 1st round pick when drafted" and then every other NBA thread is "I haven't watched in 78 years".
It's for Brunson which is probably not going to end well.
Stocking up on protected late first rounders has little value. Rough night for the Knicks
He's gotten better year after year. I don't know why people think another year couldn't have helped him. I think if he had stayed one more year and kept improving he could have become a first round pick. Especially with the weight he has lost.
I generally don't directly quote people but I'll make an exception.
This is what I'm talking about.......
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/official-2022-nba-draft-gameday-thread.242655/post-5740840
I'm going to need you to know how many Seniors were a "first round pick" last night.
The answer is 1 - Ochai Agbaji.
RHJ would be 23 years old going into the 2023 draft.
If RHJ got down to 215lbs, was National Player of the Year and averaged 25pts/game while shooting 50% from 3 - then he would probably be in the early 2nd round discussion.
NBA doesn’t draft seasoned vets like that anymore. Most guys are young and then they mold them.
And to be honest, Pikes system and RHJs game isn’t really NBA style. He will get his shot.
I’ve said this before, but Douby would have been a top 5 pick in todays NBA. Pretty wild.
100%
It's not Rutgers fault or NBA because the offensive mindset was different back then.
It's probably bias (definitely is but I don't care) but he would been close to Klay/Curry level with the way he was able to move around and run around off screens and get his shots off.
A rough breakdown of the 2022 draft by round and class.
33 of 58 picks were "underclassmen" - 57%
This is why I've said in other threads that Rutgers is moving into a higher level of recruiting with potentially elite underclassmen leaving early. If a Freshman comes in and is All-Big Ten Freshman level then it's going to be likely they at least consider leaving immediately.
Once a player reaches Junior year it's unlikely they get drafted (especially in the 1st round) so they usually stick around for Senior year as well (see RHJ and Caleb).
| 1st Round | 2nd Round | Total | |
| Freshman | 12 | 10 | 22 |
| Sophomore | 8 | 3 | 11 |
| Junior | 5 | 3 | 8 |
| Senior | 1 | 3 | 4 |
| G-League | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| Foreign | 2 | 8 | 10 |
| 30 | 28 | 58 |
Bingo.
Harper needs to get to the G League and show NBA teams that he can be the guy that does all the little things to help them win games.
Accept the fact that he’s going to be a role player, hustle his *** off and do the extra stuff on the court that makes a difference. That’s how he will get himself an NBA career.
Total flyers on 8 guys from Europe is just stupidity as few will make a difference. But because they are young and can be molded and compete against professionals GM’s think they are worth a chance over Ron or Scottie Pippen , the best guard in the SEC , or Johnny Juzang , the best wing in the PAC 12 . I say ********. They lose no credibility taking foreign young players that never pan out but are afraid of the heat if a Ron or Pippen or Juzang don’t either. Silly if you ask me.
Why? The European game is closer to the NBA game now. It’s all about spacing. Everything those guys are doing in Europe is better than what is happening in college basketball.
It’s actually smarter to take a flyer on those guys vs it is to take a flyer on RHJ.
Look, we all appreciate the winning Pike has brought to RU, but you need to recognize the grit and grind it out play style is totally different from the NBA.
Just as a disclaimer, I’m not complaining, just stating a fact.
Teams also don't always want their draft picks to be in the team immediately. They like to stash the players in Europe for a couple years sometimes bc they don't have open roster spots. If you draft someone they need to take a roster spot away from someone else to make the team
What fact? That you perceive that some European kid age 19-20 can shoot better and play better than Ron and assume Ron will not also shoot better when he is playing professionally everyday ! For every Luka Doncic , I guarantee there are 20 duds from Europe and you can start with the Knicks stating Fredric Weis back a while. The impact these young European have made in today’s NBA is minimal at best . The best European is Nicola Jovic, that slow , unathletic center that runs circles around every player in the NBA. Ron can contribute now.
No, the fact that European basketball is about spacing and college basketball typically is not.
NBA development has already started in Europe simply because of the style.
Okay , let it take 2-3 years for the 19-20 year old European to develop whereas Ron is ready now. The only developing he has to do is get his 3 point shooting to 40% on a consistent basis. He has a great wingspan , can rebound when he wants to , and is very good in transition. His game is NBA ready.
Harper and his family wanted him to be drafted and so did Rutgers and the fan base.The mindset has now quickly changed saying a two year contract with Toronto where he will be spending most of his time in the G league will be better for him because of player development.That might be true but the reality is that there is a surplus of players with similar size and skill set and the deciding factor probably will be consistent 3 point shooting.Harper understands the challenge and will have the support of the Rutgers fan base as he starts a professional career in basketball.
I think it is because they don't see those players having a role in the NBA. Might as well take a chance as there is nothing to lose.
Watching the draft it almost feels like it almost could have been only 1 round.
How has the last5 drafts or even 10 drafts done with all their drafting European or international players ? How many have panned out ? I don’t have the time to go chart it but I do not perceive they make much of a difference. Again , Luka but who else has been impactful out of those 19-20 year olds that were drafted these years ? Not recalling any off the top of my head.
There are a ton of very successful European players in the NBA. These teams live and die based on how they evaluate talent. This isn’t a diss on Ron, the last 15 players taken and the next 20 or so who weren’t drafted are all about the same. Ron will get his shot to make it.
Ron’s game is not NBA ready.
I don’t think you realize how different the game is and how big of a jump the game is.
If Ron was NBA ready he would have gotten drafter.
I agreed with you..However, I did get caught up in the sentiment and ultimately expected he would get drafted. I found myself disappointed Thursday night, but, realistically, it did make sense.
NBA guys are typically elite shooters or elite playmakers nowadays.
Ron was a really really good player here, and absolutely had some amazing games, but he never really jumped off the page for me. JMO.
With that said, he is absolutely capable of working his way into the NBA through the G League.
That is my point , the last 15 drafted and the next 20 are not appreciably different. I as a GM would rather go with a finished product like Ron , that can get better with 24/7 pro life , but he can contribute now as compared to some potential that a European player might have down the road in 2-3 years. Again, other than Luka , what other great guards or wings are there? Scottie Pippen and Johnny Zuzang along with Ron can contribute now. They all should have been drafted but doesn’t seem to matter much with this 2 way deal.
You’re right, these GMs have no clue what they’re doing. And you, a die hard Rutgers fan, knows Ron is NBA ready now. These dumb scouts that actually watched RHJ in workouts comparative to other players are clueless.
I mean what are we talking about here? This is such a nonsense argument.
Even if he got drafted 2nd round he would still be going G League…