Your problem lies in the first sentence..”he’s a pompous ***”. you don’t like the guy..so you’re obviously gonna be critical. All good.
Not sure if you’ve ever had interactions with Phil or not, or if your view on him comes from what you read.
OT: Phil Mickelson
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Not sure if you’ve ever had interactions with Phil or not, or if your view on him comes from what you read.
Clueless again. His $800 million earnings at tournaments isn't all from the PGA Tour Subtract his majors earnings. Subtract his WGC earnings. Subtract his 202 appearences on the European Tour money... on and on.
We get it. you hate Phil. But can you get your facts right first.
Again the legends you keep talking about made their money and endorsements by winning majors and taking appearance fees anywhere they could. None of them became famous for winning the Sahara Invitational. You act like they didn't play elsewhere for money.
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Next rounds of players jumping ship after the US Open?
Strong rumours have been flying around on social media this week that three, possibly four more big name PGA Tour players could be on their way to join the controversial Saudi-funded LIV Golf Invitational Series.
Those players, according to one particular Twitter account @flushingitgolf is that Viktor Hovland, Collin Morikawa and Xander Schauffele could soon be switching allegiance to Greg Norman's new circuit with millions of dollars on the line.
Strong rumours have been flying around on social media this week that three, possibly four more big name PGA Tour players could be on their way to join the controversial Saudi-funded LIV Golf Invitational Series.
Those players, according to one particular Twitter account @flushingitgolf is that Viktor Hovland, Collin Morikawa and Xander Schauffele could soon be switching allegiance to Greg Norman's new circuit with millions of dollars on the line.
I posted the tweet some posts above. Not sure how legitimate that account is..but would be a massive blow if accurate
Also sounds like Brook K may jump as well. I guess once the US Open wraps up, there will be some more action.
Looks like the PGA just got the middle finger from the DP Tour, formally known the European Tour.
The DP Tour announced that all LIV players will be allowed to play in the BMW International Open, a very big event on their tour. They are also considering a partnership with the LIV.
How bad did the PGA play this??!! DP playing this smart.
The DP Tour announced that all LIV players will be allowed to play in the BMW International Open, a very big event on their tour. They are also considering a partnership with the LIV.
How bad did the PGA play this??!! DP playing this smart.
DP tour has no leverage and needs or benefit from this. Apple vs Oranges. LIV guys can also play on the Asian tour.
No actually was my favorite player for a long time between hin and Rickie Fowler. He like Greg Norman think they are bigger than the game. I have no compassion for horses asses like them. It's one thing to go for a money grab now that you are below average golfer but to take potshots at the org. That allowed you the platform to make you rich screams DICKHEAD
my opinion.. playing on the PGA Tour is not a right it is a priviledge much like a drivers license. You disparage or degrade it that right gets taken away from you.
Last yr picked up a new favorite Sam Burns he has great game. Will be rooting hard for gotterup looking good so far for making cut
No **** sherlock. He would get NO endorsements if he didn't play PGA. I do you know anything about golf and the tour. Golfer are amongst the highest paid athletes in the world
You do know back in the day every time their sponsors name whether it be on shirts. Hats bad whatever they got paid right
My man learn something about how the tour & endorsements work b4 you type. You do realize these dudes get payday from 5heir sponsors playing rounds o. Behalf of their sponsors
No it's not apples and oranges. It means nobody is banning the LIV players except the PGA Tour. What is the PGA Tour going to do? Ban DP Tour and Asian Tour players too?
I've said from day one that the DP Tour would have to work out a deal and the LIV is not a threat to the PGA Tour at all. The PGA overreacted badly.
Wow your reading comprehension really sucks. He makes millions in endorsements because he is a 6 time major winner and a very popular player. Not because anything the PGA Tour did for him. Again we know you hate him. Your bullcrap you liked him is highly questionable as is your golf knowledge.
You really think DP or Asia Tour is the same as PGA?
ETA: Korn Ferry isn’t going to ban LIV players either.
It can be with the LIV money. Golf is all about the majors, Ryder Cup and world events. What the PGA Tour stops is great in doing is the charitable fund raising. However that is done by each event itself. PGA doesn’t give money to those charities the event does. The PGA takes money for sanctioning the event and get a big cut of the TV money.
why are you so angry? Jeesh.
athletes jump for better money all the time. This is nothing new.
The funny thing is he is angry about issues that aren't real except in his mind. I cracked up when he said he played more golf then I took breaths. I'm 61 years old. That's a lot of breaths. I've played more rounds of golf, hit more practice balls, played in more events in my first 50 years of my life then probably anyone on the free board. Yet he thinks that makes him an expert. It's 1000% irreverent to this conversation.
He'll weigh the financial benefits of staying PGA ( endorsements) against the sign-up bonus and LIV tour money and decide what's best for the long haul.
My own opinion is most PGA players ( without a set moral standing against Saudi Arabia) will seriously consider the LIV Tour knowing if it fails the PGA will let them back and if it succeeds endorsements will be back along with PGA membership.
Brooks Koepka's brother Chase is a LIV Tour member and I would guess Brooks wouldn't mind being on a LIV tour team with him
even so what the heck does that matter in this argument. The fact he had to make up that tidbit as if it would make him more of an expert on this issue is insane.
I don’t think a players “moral standards” come into effect here.
the thing keeping players from jumping is the lynch mob if they do. Nothing to do with their moral standards, imo.
Totally irrelevant but it made him feel smarter I guess. The more he posts the dumber he appears. And to your point why so angry?
"I don’t think a players “moral standards” come into effect here."
I think in some cases it does and using loyalty to the PGA as the reason they won't defect .
In some cases that loyalty is real reason some players knock the LIV .
Other players are doing it for moral reasons but using the loyalty issue to keep the insults and hate for their expressing moral outrage against Saudi Arabia from being thrown at them.so the hate and insults are for other reasons rather for a moral stance being the reason
The day when doing something because you feel morally obliged to do so and accepted as that is over, now that type of stance is unacceptable to many people , unless they agree with it .
Being in lockstep with their beliefs is the only thing they accept and aren't shy of making that point known
So if it was expressed as a moral reason to oppose the LIV, the haters would be out in numbers .
Those who jumped to the Saudi tour are finding moral outrage being placed on their business decision.
Hate for the players decisions ( stay PGA/go LIV) are seeing both ways knocked and the players insulted no matter which way they went.
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Where is the loyalty from the PGA to the players? There is none. You pay your way to each stop. Miss a cut and get nothing.
That's what the players have to look at and decide for themselves.
Some might feel shafted , while others find being in the PGA Tour benefits them in some ways.
Looks like the LIV Players have a good reason to feel the suspensions won't be that long and the PGA will have to deal with the LIV pretty soon .
I also expect some sponsors will end fully backing the PGA and start doing business with LIV players.
Don’t forget the Asian tour and probably Korn Ferry too. Of course DP will allow the former PGA tour players play. Not news.
LIV can become a financial sponsor of the DP Tour. Cash is King and the DP Tour is looking for new funding sources.
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And the DP Tour needs that money. They pay appearance fees unlike the PGA Tour
Only 5% of PGA Tour players care about golf legacy. The rest are looking for earnings and are interested in what LIV golf has to offer them.
If LIV golf can hang around with deep pockets there will be a steady stream of defections there from the PGA Tour imo.
If LIV golf can hang around with deep pockets there will be a steady stream of defections there from the PGA Tour imo.
LOL…too bad the venn diagram says that the same 5% players are the ones LIV needs to be relevant.
Then no need to keep this discussion going. Mission accomplished.
That is an opinion piece. I think that’s the opinion of most. Likely won’t be able to participate in majors without OWGR points. Hence their talking with the DP Tour
Looks like Abraham Ancer may have jumped but as of now, nothing about the "big" Monday announcements. Schauffle was supposed to be one of the big names and he poured cold water on that over the weekend.
Rumors all over the place about DP Tour. Some saying they might be willing to work with the LIV Tour, others saying the DP and PGA Tour are working on a plan together that could shut out LIV golfers. Apparently the Scottish Open, a joint PGA/DP event, is signaling LIV golfers aren't welcome. I saw it on Golf Monthly but can't see to find a comfirmation anywhere else.
It's relevant in the sense that they've made a PR splash and are trying to cut off the PGA Tour at the knees. So there's interest in that but if we go a year, say, with no real major defections and/or the PGA Tour and DP Tour have successly, for all intents and purposes, banned LIV golfers from major tournaments, etc. their relevancy is going to wane.
Also, their relevancy beings to die if they can't find a way to get more viewers to their events. At some point, how relevant is a tour with some good players but with limited viewing options?
This is absolutely a threat to the PGA/DP Tours but the LIV tour is also completely exposed here as well. They can't operate with minimal interest, mid-level golfers with limited stars, 2nd tier viewing options, etc. They need to pluck some real stars soon or IMO it's going to just be a nuisance more than a threat to the PGA Tour.
Totally disagree they are after the PGA. The DP Tour is their target. Sounds like they are both negotiating.
PGA only has themselves to blame. You can only be dicks to your players for so long before they look to break your monopoly.
The PGA can survive if they reform and increase prize money.
Good questions by the Shark:
“Look, if they want to look at it in prism, then why does the PGA Tour have 23 sponsors within the PGA Tour doing 40-plus billion dollars worth of business with Saudi Arabia? Why is it OK for the sponsors? Why is it OK … that there’s a Saudi sponsor, Aramco, the largest sponsor of women’s golf in the world? Why is it OK for them? Why is it not OK for these players? Will [PGA Tour commissioner] Jay Monahan go to each and every one of those CEOs of the 23 companies that are investing into Saudi Arabia and suspend them and ban them? … The hypocrisy in all this, it’s so loud. It’s deafening.”
Another player jumping:
“Look, if they want to look at it in prism, then why does the PGA Tour have 23 sponsors within the PGA Tour doing 40-plus billion dollars worth of business with Saudi Arabia? Why is it OK for the sponsors? Why is it OK … that there’s a Saudi sponsor, Aramco, the largest sponsor of women’s golf in the world? Why is it OK for them? Why is it not OK for these players? Will [PGA Tour commissioner] Jay Monahan go to each and every one of those CEOs of the 23 companies that are investing into Saudi Arabia and suspend them and ban them? … The hypocrisy in all this, it’s so loud. It’s deafening.”
Another player jumping: