Would your rather have Cliff or Myles?

[Salvi's Headband]

Not even close right now, is it??

 

[richthedentist]

Agreed and don't even mind having Dean as the back up the only games where you need Myles size and 5 fouls are Purdue and Illinois other than that we are just fine!!

 

[MLBash93]

I'd rather myles defensive rebounds but otherwise cliff.

Myles got abused in the pick and roll game and being too aggressive as a weak side defender.

Also he was such an offensive liability because of FTs

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

I think some are forgetting how how good Myles was for us at times.

But agree cliff is better than Myles - more consistent contributor

 

[RUJMM78]

Myles the better defender and rebounder while Cliff better on offense including making foul shots.

 

[rubjk]

The current incarnation of the team with Paul running the offense is better than last years team by far.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Cliff is catching up

 

[Jtung230]

+ and - for each player. Myles post D and boards are missed. Love seeing Cliff finish and controlling the paint. This team is really built for more zone D.

 

[rob kight]

Cliff could be a 20 point contributor next year and a better defender who doesn’t get in foul trouble as easy as Myles

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Myles should have been B1G defensive player of the year last season.
In Nov/Dec, I'd take Myles.
Now... Cliff

 

[RUBOB72]

I would have loved to have had both here this season.It would have made us an even tougher opponent all around.

 

[Duff366]

Can we combine them both for some type of super center?

 

[ejgonz]

Cliff could be a 20 point contributor next year and a better defender who doesn’t get in foul trouble as easy as Myles

This is key. Cliff isn’t in foul trouble very often. Myles always was in foul trouble. Myles was amazing defensively particularly in his 4th year in the program. Cliff is in year 2.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Let's revisit after Illinois game on Wednesday.

 

[LeapinLou]

If you're asking me which guy I'd rather have on my team for four years, it's Cliff. But I'm fairly confident in saying that a lot of those early season losses that have us on the outside looking in would have been wins if Myles Johnson had stayed.

 

[RUDead]

Cliff.

 

[fatsam98]

This is key. Cliff isn’t in foul trouble very often. Myles always was in foul trouble. Myles was amazing defensively particularly in his 4th year in the program. Cliff is in year 2.

This

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

I would have loved to have had both here this season.It would have made us an even tougher opponent all around.

This

 

[RU848789]

Myles should have been B1G defensive player of the year last season.
In Nov/Dec, I'd take Myles.
Now... Cliff

I'm mostly with you on this. Also, Myles looks lost at UCLA - if he ever wanted to go pro, staying here would've been a far better move.

 

[Scangg]

Agreed and don't even mind having Dean as the back up the only games where you need Myles size and 5 fouls are Purdue and Illinois other than that we are just fine!!

"Don't even mind" is effusive praise from Rich

If you're asking me which guy I'd rather have on my team for four years, it's Cliff. But I'm fairly confident in saying that a lot of those early season losses that have us on the outside looking in would have been wins if Myles Johnson had stayed.

If Young had stayed

 

[MLBash93]

Let's revisit after Illinois game on Wednesday.

After cliff absolutely torches Kofi?

 

[Rutgers25]

Consistency is the key word. Myles was more erratic.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

After cliff absolutely torches Kofi?

Myles is/was better at guarding Kofi

 

[NYSportsFan]

Not even close right now, is it??

Both. I would like to have both hahah.

 

[Scangg]

Consistency is the key word. Myles was more erratic.

Dunks are easy to be consistent with lol

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Pure metrics......
Myles last year.....vs Cliff this year
13.3% OREB % vs 9.8%
25.3% DREB% vs. 22.5%
10.5% BLK% vs 5.5%

No doubt Cliff is more explosive offensively and fouls 75% less. Cliff is still improving and will probably end up net net better than Myles when all is said and done

 

[ColonelRutgers]

I never thought that Cliff would be able to avoid foul trouble. He’s done a damn good job avoiding fouls. That has meant everything. He’s just more comfortable period.

 

[Miggins]

Pure metrics......
Myles last year.....vs Cliff this year
13.3% OREB % vs 9.8%
25.3% DREB% vs. 22.5%
10.5% BLK% vs 5.5%

No doubt Cliff is more explosive offensively and fouls 75% less. Cliff is still improving and will probably end up net net better than Myles when all is said and done

I do not know the numbers, but would be curious to see Cliff's numbers in the last 10 or so games vs the whole season.

I suspect his numbers at getting tangibly better but not catching Myles yet

 

[Scangg]

I do not know the numbers, but would be curious to see Cliff's numbers in the last 10 or so games vs the whole season.

I suspect his numbers at getting tangibly better but not catching Myles yet

Was just gonna ask the same question

 

[RUsojo]

Cliff no brainer.

Honestly have no idea how it took this long to make utilizing cliff in pnr a huge part of our offense when you consider the relentless effort to try and post Myles Johnson all the time. But I’m glad we got there eventually. It was a concerted effort not to involve cliff too much but can’t keep that monster silent no matter what.

 

[Miggins]

As Cliff actually has a decent mid range jumper, question, against a big center like Cockburn assuming they play man, do you have Cliff go away from the basket? Challenge Cockburn to defend 12-15 ft jumper? Hoping you free up the lane for penetration for Geo/Paul/Ron?

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

Dunks are easy to be consistent with lol

But putting yourself in position for the dunks isn't. Loved how he got to the spot for the tying dunk and delivered the goods.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Cliff's overall game is already better than Myles’s and by the time Cliff's done it won't even be close. That said, what I'd really want is both of them.

 

[bac2therac]

our upside with Cliff is actually so much more. He has replaced Myles totally because he is a complete player. Myles was a slow unathletic big who had trouble making foul shots and was inefficient offensively when he got the ball

 

[zebnatto]

In the energy department, it's Cliff, no contest.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

rebounding metrics are constant....block % last 10 is high 8s which puts him closer to Myles 10.5%. To the eye he appears to be improving in that area too.

I will say there were a few possessions where he went for a block unsuccessfully and was out of position for a rebound. The blocks are overrated crowd had ammunition last night when we were getting torched on the defensive glass.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

In the energy department, it's Cliff, no contest.

Don't agree. Will say Cliff has him beat in the stamina category. Cliff isn't immune to taking defensive possessions off. Showing emotion doesn't always equal energy

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

our upside with Cliff is actually so much more. He has replaced Myles totally because he is a complete player. Myles was a slow unathletic big who had trouble making foul shots and was inefficient offensively when he got the ball

He wasnt unathletic and he was a much better and willing passer than Cliff. Can't debate the foul shooting.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Zed Key was 4-12 last night. He scored on his 1st attempt when he drop stepped Cliff. To Cliff's credit (BIG CREDIT) that was the only time Zed was able to use the move.

 

[njxchange]

Can I have both?

oh lawrd, if the guys didnt leave... what this years team could have done...