Was anyone else pissed off that when Michigan St scored with 40 seconds to go and didn’t contest the inbounds, that Rutgers didn’t let 10 seconds run off the clock by simply rolling the ball up the court slowly without touching it? By not doing that, Michigan st got the last shot and hit a 3 pointer. I was irate. No thinking on the court. And not one mention of it by the play by play announcers. I hope Pike bitched at the team for that. Inexcusable!
Final 40 seconds of first half
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No. Clock doesn’t start until ball is touched inbounds. Rolling ball onto court does NOT start clock.
Incorrect. First half clock doesn't stop on make basket
Though by not having the last shot, we weren’t left to seeing Geo dribble out the clock at half court and throw up a clanker… instead we got a nice drive by Harper for a basket. But nevertheless, it doesn’t excuse the lack of awareness on the inbounds with 40 seconds to go.
I believe beginning the 1993-1994 season the clock was stopped in the last minute of each half and each overtime on a made basket. Did the rule change back?
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The only part of that last sequence I didn’t like was not guarding Brown more aggressively. He was unconscious from 3 and I was confident he was taking the last shot,
Rule on stopping the clock per the 2021-22 NCAA rulebook:
Section 10, Article 12:
"Stop the game clock after a successful field goal with 59.9 seconds or less remaining in the game or in any extra period."
Section 10, Article 12:
"Stop the game clock after a successful field goal with 59.9 seconds or less remaining in the game or in any extra period."
I agree that was the only thing is we left Brown open and not sure why it took Pikell til the second half to put Caleb on Brown!!! He should have been on him the whole game
OP has no idea what he's talking about..you roll the ball up the court to NOT let time run and you do it when you're down to extend the game, not when you're up that makes no sense..not to mention, it doesn't stop after a basket until the 2nd half or overtime final minute
Bug. Cool your jets. You have it wrong wiseguy. The game clock keeps going, but the shot clock doesn't start until it's touched after the inbound pass.
Plus by not picking up the ball until defended, RU had a better chance at quality quick shot and possibly a 2 for 1 possession to end the half.
Let's say the clock was stopped (out of play and last touched by the offense). If the D gets the ball an inbounds (and is now the offense), you miss that there's another potential reason to let it roll. 2 for 1. Doesn't happen much, but it can give you extra seconds and therefore possibly an extra possession & another shot.
So, for game clock and also shot clock reasons there's a reason to let it roll even if ahead. You can't have it both ways though. If you hold for the last shot, obviously you're not going to get 2 for 1.
Clearly you ain't a basketball chess master either.
Plus by not picking up the ball until defended, RU had a better chance at quality quick shot and possibly a 2 for 1 possession to end the half.
Let's say the clock was stopped (out of play and last touched by the offense). If the D gets the ball an inbounds (and is now the offense), you miss that there's another potential reason to let it roll. 2 for 1. Doesn't happen much, but it can give you extra seconds and therefore possibly an extra possession & another shot.
So, for game clock and also shot clock reasons there's a reason to let it roll even if ahead. You can't have it both ways though. If you hold for the last shot, obviously you're not going to get 2 for 1.
Clearly you ain't a basketball chess master either.
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I do know what i am talking about. Basket was made with 40 seconds to go. When we touched the inbounds, there was 36 seconds on the clock. All we had to do was not touch the ball for 6 more seconds and we would have had the last shot. There are multiple reasons why you roll the ball up the court. I’m sorry that you only appreciate one of those reasons. Learn the rule book.
I don’t think it is a big ask. Coaches should be teaching the kids that if there isn’t enough time to get a 2 for 1, then on an uncontested inbounds, try to see if you can get clock down enough so that you have last shot. Izzy should be just as upset at his players for not contesting the inbounds. Must always contest inbounds with that amount of time on clock.
It did make me irate. My other thought was just don’t pick up the ball to inbound right away. Let time tick. But that requires even a quicker reaction… you’d have to know how much time is left before grabbing the ball to inbounds. There are rules in the game that a team can take advantage of… and with the fact that 9 of our games have been decided by 3 points or less, every additional possession could mean a win or a loss. Our clock management could have lost us that game. I don’t understand why this issue isn’t being discussed more. The fact that it isn’t is also making me irate. Ugh! I need to give up sports. I’m too old for this.
No, I get what he's saying.
The game clock would run, but the shot clock wouldn't start until you took possession inbounds. Rolling the ball in and not picking it up right away would have allowed the game clock to run off to under 30 seconds before the shot clock started, allowing us to hold for the final shot.
That’s not what your posted rule says. It says the game clock stops. If that is the rule the game clock doesn’t start until the ball is touched inbounds.
Also if we held for the final shot we probably don’t get the strong move to the hoop and the foul to boot. Nice 3 pt play there by RHJ.
Baby....that rule says it does not stop (in the first half). You either let it roll to delay the start of the shot clock until the game clock is as close to 30 (the shot clock) as you can (ie take the last shot of the half) or instead to save extra seconds for a 2:1 possession to end the half.
The game clock stops in final minute of game (not final minute of first half)
I just read it a second time. Thought it said half and end of game. I still never see anyone roll the ball in that spot. You have to stop, look at the clock and do quick math. It just doesn’t happen. If we call a timeout then we can set that up.
It’s not like football where the game has more down time than actual play.
We don’t see it often… should only come into play when there is a made basket at end of first half and between 30 and 40 seconds to go, and the inbounds isn’t being contested. But it should be taught. If they aren’t being taught that, shame on our coaches. There are lots of moments in games that can decide the outcome of a game just by taking advantage of rules.
If you call a timeout, then game clock stops. You’ve lost the opportunity.
true...more than anything I was putting Firebug in his place because he was quick to slam taxman when he himself didn't know the rules.
I know thr rules plenty, are you looking g to delay the shot clock?? Because that's not how you made it sound.
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He said he was made that we didn't let the time bleed off, because it let MSU get a 3 pointer. Had we rolled the ball up, we could have held for the last shot, and then no MSU possession.
I don't know if I'd be mad about that, tbh - if they'd done it, though, it would have been heady play.
^ this ^
while what the OP is saying would have been a somewhat uniquely smart thing to do (as someone said above I dont recall seeing a team ever doing it), to be "irate" over it is a bit much
Forget the rolling. Take your sweat time after the made bucket retrieving the ball so when you pick it up more time elapses.
so many things I am worried about….making hard cuts off the ball right off the screeners shoulder is a tad more important than this
so many things I am worried about….making hard cuts off the ball right off the screeners shoulder is a tad more important than this
my bad...
I didn't realize this was a serious post.
So, let me try to follow this??? You are talking about the end of first half against Michigan State??? Where Pike was signaling to Geo to get-up-the-court and then called a time out and then set-up a last play - which resulted in RHJ driving getting the bucket and a foul for 3.
but, you don't think the timing of that last play was correct because, some how magically rolling-the ball up the court MSU wouldn't have pressed in anyway whatsoever and rather than running an actual last set, you wanted the timing to be perfect for something else?
wow...... no. The play was to get over half-court - call time out. rolling the ball was a horrible idea in that spot. It was very clear Pike wanted to run a set.
Besides being incorrect on how it played-out, putting it on the players here is simply wrong.
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When the ball was inbounded, there was 36 seconds left on the clock. No time for a 2 for 1. And yes, i would have liked them to have rolled the ball for 6 seconds and then call time out and have a set play that results in the last shot taken in the half. Absolutely this is what i wanted and expected.
No he's saying that they DID let time bleed off..of the shot clock..sure, I guess he's right that they could've rolled it to half court then called time out, and hold for the final possession, but I doubt they wouldn't have been pressed and forced to pick it up anyway..too risky..and to be mad about it is nuts..oh well, can't please everyone
Why would you expect something that just isn’t done? Anyone tries rolling a ball on us and Caleb steals it. There were 3 MSU players in the area when Cliff first grabbed the ball.
To further refute your point the Hauser shot went in at 41.8 and as you said Geo didn’t touch it until 36 seconds yet Harper got fouled with 15 seconds left. We wasted 6 seconds and I just don’t see how we waste another 15 seconds. MSU has players on their team. We weren’t playing in a vacuum.