Ralph Agee-Gonzales
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Reiber is bad but Souf was in a class by himself.
MWC last year had 2 NCAA teams(San Diego St 23-5 and Utah St 20-9) and 2 other good teams(Colorado St 20-8 and Boise St 19-9)
Vs SD St, 2 games, 4-11, 11 pts, 12 reb, vs 6'10 230(8pts, 8reb ty)
Vs Utah St, 2 games, 3-12, 11 pts, 6 reb, vs 7'0 245(NBA this season)
Vs Colorado St, 2 games, 7-14, 14 pts, 7 reb, 6'10 239/6'9 232
Vs Boise St, 2 games, 7-13, 25 pts, 9 reb, vs 6'10 232(7, 8.5reb ty)
7 blow out losses, 1 close loss 86-87 to Boise, 12pts 5reb, foul trouble/out
His team was 5-16 last year but the 2nd leading scorer, 4th in FGAs.
It was worth the risk, since he was accepting the backup role.
I don't get running down our players so much. He's shooting 50% on 11-12 minutes a game(3.2pts, 1.6reb), it's an adjustment traveling 3k miles from family, adjusting starting 31 of 51 games on a bad team to figuring out how he fits off the bench on this team.
Also, stop bashing Reiber, he is still a freshman, he has played out of position his entire time here, he is 6'10 220-25 and he is NOT A 5, he is a STRETCH 4 to be played alongside a low post 5. He passes from the high post, he drives from the high post, he shoots from the outside from the HS film I saw. Luke Nathan 6'11 245 or Ralph 6'8 245 is more Center than Dean Reiber ever will be. I know it's not going to happen but I'd love to implement Palmquist/Reiber as stretch 4s for X minutes along side a 5 in a game and see how more effective our offense runs and rebounds, I think Palm is capable of that too.
Vs SD St, 2 games, 4-11, 11 pts, 12 reb, vs 6'10 230(8pts, 8reb ty)
Vs Utah St, 2 games, 3-12, 11 pts, 6 reb, vs 7'0 245(NBA this season)
Vs Colorado St, 2 games, 7-14, 14 pts, 7 reb, 6'10 239/6'9 232
Vs Boise St, 2 games, 7-13, 25 pts, 9 reb, vs 6'10 232(7, 8.5reb ty)
7 blow out losses, 1 close loss 86-87 to Boise, 12pts 5reb, foul trouble/out
His team was 5-16 last year but the 2nd leading scorer, 4th in FGAs.
It was worth the risk, since he was accepting the backup role.
I don't get running down our players so much. He's shooting 50% on 11-12 minutes a game(3.2pts, 1.6reb), it's an adjustment traveling 3k miles from family, adjusting starting 31 of 51 games on a bad team to figuring out how he fits off the bench on this team.
Also, stop bashing Reiber, he is still a freshman, he has played out of position his entire time here, he is 6'10 220-25 and he is NOT A 5, he is a STRETCH 4 to be played alongside a low post 5. He passes from the high post, he drives from the high post, he shoots from the outside from the HS film I saw. Luke Nathan 6'11 245 or Ralph 6'8 245 is more Center than Dean Reiber ever will be. I know it's not going to happen but I'd love to implement Palmquist/Reiber as stretch 4s for X minutes along side a 5 in a game and see how more effective our offense runs and rebounds, I think Palm is capable of that too.
Yes, we’ve had many ineffective big men. We miss Myles as a rebounder and he got offensive put backs. Agee is simply not big enough to replace Myles. Harrar would have been ideal. What surprised me the most was how the combination of Harper, Geo and Caleb couldn’t help close on a good big man. Maybe it’s because it took Geo and Ron so long to decide if they were coming back? They should have made that decision alot earlier and maybe it would have helped?
I still don’t have the answer as to why Pikiell struggles with recruiting after the success he’s had in the last 2 years? I think the RAC has something to do with it as it’s just not an attractive facility but there has to be more to it?
I got a Joe Jarldane game jersey on ebay. Not kidding. I think it was part of a Court Club auction once and the winner somehow didn't cherish it enough to hold onto it.
If he ended up at Maine, then everyone missed on him. Not like Pike was the only one.
I was hopeful but I’m at the point of the season where I feel comfortable judging things and don’t think Reiber or Oskar have enough for this level. Mag flashed a little last year so glad he seems to be taking the next step, just haven’t seen it from the other 2 outside of Reiber’s (I think first or second) game action against Garza.
I feel good about Miller next year and beyond (don’t think he’ll ever be a lights out offensive threat but he can absolutely be a nice piece). Realistically, could see us losing Geo, Harper, Agee, and the two mentioned above, and having the minutes to find some front court help in the portal.
We really haven't had a ton of luck with bigs in the last decade plus. Looking at all the guys who've played the 5 (either all C, or a mix of PF/C) since N'Diaye left in 2010 (and their best statistical season at RU). Sorted by pts/g, current players in partial season in bold.
K. Jack (14.3 pts, 6.8 rb, 29.3 min)
C. Omoruyi (11.8 pts, 6.8 rb, 26.9 min)
G. Biruta (9.7 pts, 5.3 rb, 25.5 min)
M. Johnson (8.0 pts, 8.5 rb, 24.7 min)
C. Gettys (7.7 pts, 5.2 rb, 22.0 min)
W. Judge (7.5 pts, 6.2 rb, 22.8 min)
A. Johnson (5.7 pts, 2.5 rb, 17.5 min)
G. Lewis (5.3 pts, 4.5 rb, 23.8 min)
S. Carter (4.5 pts, 3.6 rb, 14.0 min)
S. Doorson (3.7 pts, 4.3 rb, 17.8 min)
I. Diallo (3.6 pts, 3.4 rb, 15.7 min)
C. Sa (3.2 pts, 2.8 rb, 13.5 min)
R. Gonzalez-Agee (3.2 pts, 1.6 rb, 11.2 min)
M. Doucoure (2.8 pts, 3.2 rb, 13.1 min)
D. Randall (2.5 pts, 2.4 rb, 11.3 min)
D. Reiber (0.8 pts, 0.8 rb, 5.8 min)
K. Jack (14.3 pts, 6.8 rb, 29.3 min)
C. Omoruyi (11.8 pts, 6.8 rb, 26.9 min)
G. Biruta (9.7 pts, 5.3 rb, 25.5 min)
M. Johnson (8.0 pts, 8.5 rb, 24.7 min)
C. Gettys (7.7 pts, 5.2 rb, 22.0 min)
W. Judge (7.5 pts, 6.2 rb, 22.8 min)
A. Johnson (5.7 pts, 2.5 rb, 17.5 min)
G. Lewis (5.3 pts, 4.5 rb, 23.8 min)
S. Carter (4.5 pts, 3.6 rb, 14.0 min)
S. Doorson (3.7 pts, 4.3 rb, 17.8 min)
I. Diallo (3.6 pts, 3.4 rb, 15.7 min)
C. Sa (3.2 pts, 2.8 rb, 13.5 min)
R. Gonzalez-Agee (3.2 pts, 1.6 rb, 11.2 min)
M. Doucoure (2.8 pts, 3.2 rb, 13.1 min)
D. Randall (2.5 pts, 2.4 rb, 11.3 min)
D. Reiber (0.8 pts, 0.8 rb, 5.8 min)
If Dean wants minutes only one way to do it--transfer down.
If that is not the case, we're in trouble.
Of the group, Myles was the best, but I also liked Biruta's game.
I am not advocating that Agee is a good B1G caliber post player, but it didn't take much game tape to watch and see Agee was a perimeter big, who is better away from the basket. His San Jose State tape, clearly showed him mostly around the elbow (foul-line), facing the basket.
When a player transitions to a different level of competition AND you then ask the player to do something he has not shown on tape, a consistent game in the low-post, it is hard to then complain about the players performance.
In a comparison, we asked Paul Mulcahy in the 1st 10 games, to be a guard and the results on both ends of the floor were clearly not good....we moved Mulcahy back to more of a wing position against Maine (yes I know it's Maine), but suddenly Paul gets 4 for 4 from 3, knocking down a corner 3 and 3s from the wing.
All of the positions on the floor are connected or impact the other positions to be at their best IF the pieces fit.....because Mulcahy ultimately cannot really be a Point Guard on either end of the court, he is moved to the wing to become effective (which is where Caleb can play, but they've asked Caleb to be more of the other guard position, instead of Mulcahy.......Mulcahy playing the wing, ultimately impacts the playing time of Jones and Hyatt....
Pike has to do a better job carving out roles on the bench, while trying to get the most out of the starters. Agee at really 6'7, isn't a true backup Center....especially if he is not a leaper, who has long arms to be a rebounder/defender.
When a player transitions to a different level of competition AND you then ask the player to do something he has not shown on tape, a consistent game in the low-post, it is hard to then complain about the players performance.
In a comparison, we asked Paul Mulcahy in the 1st 10 games, to be a guard and the results on both ends of the floor were clearly not good....we moved Mulcahy back to more of a wing position against Maine (yes I know it's Maine), but suddenly Paul gets 4 for 4 from 3, knocking down a corner 3 and 3s from the wing.
All of the positions on the floor are connected or impact the other positions to be at their best IF the pieces fit.....because Mulcahy ultimately cannot really be a Point Guard on either end of the court, he is moved to the wing to become effective (which is where Caleb can play, but they've asked Caleb to be more of the other guard position, instead of Mulcahy.......Mulcahy playing the wing, ultimately impacts the playing time of Jones and Hyatt....
Pike has to do a better job carving out roles on the bench, while trying to get the most out of the starters. Agee at really 6'7, isn't a true backup Center....especially if he is not a leaper, who has long arms to be a rebounder/defender.
Steve said in the postgame radio interview that Ralph in on his way back to New Jersey and will be available for Michigan.
Pikiell said after the game that Agee was on a airplane returning to New Jersey.
Yeah but he was the only one to get Gonzalez-Agee and Reiber.
There was no one in the portal that could fill a backup center role better than Agee-Gonzales? How about a serviceable backup PG? Recruiting, whether it’s HS or the portal needs to pick up.
Yeah, this wasn't caused by a failure to carve out the proper roles. It was caused by not getting the players that he needed/wanted in recruiting (be it HS or portal) and losing players. It's a personnel issue.
Just for comparison's sake, so far this year:
Agee:
11.2 min, 3.2 pts (.500 FG%, .583 FT%), 1.5 RB, 0.4 ast, 0.1 stl, 0.2 blk, 1.0 pf
Paulicap:
10.5 min, 3.5 pts (.514 FG%, .588 FT%), 3.6 RB, 0.2 ast, 0.2 stl, 1.0 blk, 1.5 pf
Paulicap working out slightly better at WVU with more rebounds and blocks in a touch fewer minutes.
Agee:
11.2 min, 3.2 pts (.500 FG%, .583 FT%), 1.5 RB, 0.4 ast, 0.1 stl, 0.2 blk, 1.0 pf
Paulicap:
10.5 min, 3.5 pts (.514 FG%, .588 FT%), 3.6 RB, 0.2 ast, 0.2 stl, 1.0 blk, 1.5 pf
Paulicap working out slightly better at WVU with more rebounds and blocks in a touch fewer minutes.
I’ve been saying from the beginning there’s more behind what is going on with him. Maybe an Antonio brown issue
What has the guy done for you to equate him to Antonio Brown? Starting this type of message board rumor / speculation without any backup is pretty much a douchy thing to do - especially to a college player.
Agreed. I watched Reiber in one of the early games his freshmen year. I do not know what our coaches saw in him. Didn't need to see him do anything more than run and knew he was not going to be an asset. He has one of the most unathletic gaits I have ever seen.
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Agee seemed pretty happy doing the faux postgame interview with Cliff.
I thought Reiber gave some good minutes last night. He is a project for sure, but he's only a freshman eligibility-wise. I think he can be a contributor in a year or two if he sticks it out. I know that it is a minority view here, but I believe it based on what I see. Some big guys take a while to develop. He has a decent stroke and plays hard. As a 5th year senior, I would much rather Agee's minutes go to Reiber.
Saw Reiber look comfortable hitting a deep 2 in warmup, if he could become a stretch who can defend the 5 he'll be extremely valuable
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How’s that a douche thing. AB is going through mental issues you never know Agee could be the in the same boat considering the way he seems to not be fully checked in to the game and you can easily see that when he plays on the floor.