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[S.W.A.I.N]

That is totally myopic. Like usual the ref always catches the second guy after the NJIT guard bumped him and talked smack first. Yes , Jones shouldn’ Have trashed back but you do not sit him for the rest of the game more than 10-11 minutes. He did not hit any ref so those who said so are seeing things. Pike punished him and the crime did not fit the punishment. Pike should have his assistants have him sit next to them and let them give it to him and then put him back in. Instead he just went to sit down the bench. Bad job by Pike and bad job by the assistants. I was crazy mad especially when Paul and Caleb were having another subpar game.

If you didn’t see him put his hands on the ref, then you’re the one who needs to get their vision checked. It was clear as day.

 

[S_Janowski]

Mulcahy is going to be needed if we want to have a successful season, and I believe he will come around. With that said his minutes need to be trimmed right now.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

More concerned with benching Jones cause he got a crappy T he probably didn't even deserve. Cause we all know there's no T in Pike and he wants his players to be nice on the court.

There is an emphasis on sportsmanship this year. Pikiell needs to handle it now so it doesn’t happen later

 

[DHajekRC84]

There is an emphasis on sportsmanship this year. Pikiell needs to handle it now so it doesn’t happen later

He's done the same thing every time. Every year. Same thing two years ago when Paul got a T for slamming the ball down (bouncing it hard and catching it) in frustration over a missed shot or something not even ref related. Coach has never seen a T in his life.
(and please don't anybody go claiming I don't like the coach. I do. I've even spoken with him a couple of times. I would just like a little less softie approach to refs, and more direct real time feedback to players then making them go sit in the corner and think about what they did).

 

[MadRU]

The ref told both players, enough. Jaden said something after that and got T’d up.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Jones came back in and you can’t put your hands on the ref. He did that and even though it wasn’t aggressive, you can’t do it.

Look.. in my book that whole thing was the refs problem.

The ref CLEARLY saw the NJIT player push Jones and expected Jones to react because that push DESERVED a reaction.. that push DESERVED that same ref to T him up.. the NJIT player.

If the NJIT player was instantly T'd up then Jones would have smiled and clapped his hands.

Instead, the ref throws his forearm into Jones and jones just wants to get by him.. but the ref keeps pushing him toward the sideline seats.

I'm sorry.. but that whole thing was a problem that that ref created. He should not have thrown his forearm into Jones while allowing the NJIT player off Scott-free.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

He's done the same thing every time. Every year. Same thing two years ago when Paul got a T for slamming the ball down (bouncing it hard and catching it) in frustration over a missed shot or something not even ref related. Coach has never seen a T in his life.
(and please don't anybody go claiming I don't like the coach. I do. I've even spoken with him a couple of times. I would just like a little less softie approach to refs, and more direct real time feedback to players then making them go sit in the corner and think about what they did).

agree on that ball-slam thing.. should have been T'd up just like the one where Jones got T'd.. which should have been a T on the NJIT player first.. then see if that whole ref-interaction would have been necessary.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I didn't see him do that. If he did my bad. I just saw him keep walking forward.n

The refs arm was pushing his chest and Jones tried to slide by and he, rather gently, pushed the refs arm aside... clearly just trying to walk away toward the field of play.. just like the NJIT player was allowed to do. The ref handled that whole thing poorly.

Were they Big Ten refs?

AS for Pike and our assistants.. we have no idea what they saw... they probably had no idea that the NJIT player should have been T'd up. They were probably told Jones put his hands on a ref.. he did.. but it was deserved.. no real force to it at all.. just an effort to get off the sideline and back to the field of play.

If Pike did see it all.. then Pike should have exploded at the refs asking for a T for the NJIT player. And when they watch the tapes.. maybe they should tell Jones he got screwed by that ref but you have to be more careful because you never know what a basketball ref might do... primadonnas that they are.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Look.. in my book that whole thing was the refs problem.

The ref CLEARLY saw the NJIT player push Jones and expected Jones to react because that push DESERVED a reaction.. that push DESERVED that same ref to T him up.. the NJIT player.

If the NJIT player was instantly T'd up then Jones would have smiled and clapped his hands.

Instead, the ref throws his forearm into Jones and jones just wants to get by him.. but the ref keeps pushing him toward the sideline seats.

I'm sorry.. but that whole thing was a problem that that ref created. He should not have thrown his forearm into Jones while allowing the NJIT player off Scott-free.

I pretty much disagree with all that. It’s all good though. I agree it was a punk push, just not worth a T for the NJIT kid.

 

[80RU]

On the Jones technical — just before the shoving, I thought Jones made a mature and heady play screening the NJIT player from the ball as it went out of bounds. I was happier to see that than I was distressed at the technical.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The ref told both players, enough. Jaden said something after that and got T’d up.

I am glad the red T’d him up. He did us a favor.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He's done the same thing every time. Every year. Same thing two years ago when Paul got a T for slamming the ball down (bouncing it hard and catching it) in frustration over a missed shot or something not even ref related. Coach has never seen a T in his life.
(and please don't anybody go claiming I don't like the coach. I do. I've even spoken with him a couple of times. I would just like a little less softie approach to refs, and more direct real time feedback to players then making them go sit in the corner and think about what they did).

Did he bench Paul for that?
Was it freshman year?

my memory lacks at times

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I pretty much disagree with all that. It’s all good though. I agree it was a punk push, just not worth a T for the NJIT kid.

I would agree, of course, but if the choice is T'ing up the NJIT kid for a needless push after the whistle or having a ref throw a forearm into the player who was pushed to control him.. then T'ing him up for trying to get back onto the court and touching said ref... I'd pick T'ing up the player who started the trouble.. or BOTH.

Or better yet.. how about just standing between the players and not getting in our player's face until he actually did something worthy of a T.

The ref should not touch our players.. not like that.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Mulcahy is going to be needed if we want to have a successful season, and I believe he will come around. With that said his minutes need to be trimmed right now.

Agree. Pike says "I play the best, and I'm fair to the rest." Right now he's trying to develop players where he has a vision of how they could develop. It's fine to give them some rope to try and develop. Meaning Mulcahy and McConnel. But it can't last forever if they don't show improvement.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Agree. Pike says "I play the best, and I'm fair to the rest." Right now he's trying to develop players where he has a vision of how they could develop. It's fine to give them some rope to try and develop. Meaning Mulcahy and McConnel. But it can't last forever if they don't show improvement.

For the thousandth time, folks need to pay attention to what Green keeps saying. Of the 3 teams we played so far, Jones was only not a massive liability defending in the backcourt in the Merrimack game. Check it out - that team put up a whopping 52 points against Army last night. We literally could’ve shut them down with 4 guys so having Jones in on defense for that game didn’t matter so Pike was able to give him big minutes. Jones couldn’t defend Lehigh or NJIT’s perimeter players. Maybe he improves as the year goes on but if not, he’s only going to brought in for brief stretches as an offensive spark off the bench in BIG play.

Agee also doesn’t look like he can defend BIg caliber 5s either. Seems like Pike may be forced to play RHJ and Hyatt at the 4-5 a solid 10+ minutes a game to rest Cliff.

What does all this mean? Pike isn’t being nice and loyal to his experienced guys. He’s trying to get them to work through their early jitter issues now so that against real teams they will at least start delivering on offense at the level they were at last year. I never thought I’d say we may need Paul for defense but we haven’t seen Miller yet and Paul is miles ahead of Jones right now in sticking with his man. Geo can’t play the whole game right? And we need at least 2 guards on the floor anyway. This translates into Paul and Caleb both playing a ton both together and in relief of each other.

heres to also hoping Caleb can figure out his FTs. What a mess.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Did he bench Paul for that?
Was it freshman year?

my memory lacks at times

pretty sure yes on no. 1 and definitely yes on no.2 (early road game B1G )

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Well I checked looking at the 2019-20 season,

Caleb had back to back game with Techs against SFA and NJIT and still played after it.

Paul got his tech at 6:06 left in the first half, 3 PF, @ Nebraska, still played 12 minutes in the 2nd half with 3 fouls and picking up his 4th foul along the way.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Well I checked looking at the 2019-20 season,

Caleb had back to back game with Techs against SFA and NJIT and still played after it.

Paul got his tech at 6:06 left in the first half, 3 PF, @ Nebraska, still played 12 minutes in the 2nd half with 3 fouls and picking up his 4th foul along the way.

Maybe Jones wasn’t being punished per se and it was just that we finally had the game safely in hand and Pike didn’t want to risk bringing Jones back in and #2 going on another 3 point spree and putting the scare in us or worse. It’s not like the team was struggling on offense without him in the second half.

Ever think of that?

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Maybe Jones wasn’t being punished per se and it was just that we finally had the game safely in hand and Pike didn’t want to risk bringing Jones back in and #2 going on another 3 point spree and putting the scare in us or worse. It’s not like the team was struggling on offense without him in the second half.

Ever think of that?

I didn't say he was or wasn't, just proving Pike does play players even after a tech. It could just be the timing of said tech just benched him earlier than when he was supposed to come out in the 2nd half, and didn't find a reason for him to come back in, than him being punished for it.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Maybe Jones wasn’t being punished per se and it was just that we finally had the game safely in hand and Pike didn’t want to risk bringing Jones back in and #2 going on another 3 point spree and putting the scare in us or worse. It’s not like the team was struggling on offense without him in the second half.

Ever think of that?

He was being punished for the T. I am pretty certain of that.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I also don't think the 2 Ts were equal. Slamming the ball against floor was frustration with himself (if I recall correctly). The Jones T was a little different. The point can definitely be argued and I might have the facts wrong.

 

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This team isn’t going anywhere if more scorers aren’t developed. This team desperately needs a guy like Jones to give us 10 a game. It’s going to be a long year otherwise.

Jones needs to Score more....

Lesson: Keep your head, remember where you are and STFU around refs!

MO

 

[superfan01]

Jones needs to Score more....

Lesson: Keep your head, remember where you are and STFU around refs!

MO

Let's go Mo. get loud Mo. get loud.

 

[rudad02]

That is totally myopic. Like usual the ref always catches the second guy after the NJIT guard bumped him and talked smack first. Yes , Jones shouldn’ Have trashed back but you do not sit him for the rest of the game more than 10-11 minutes. He did not hit any ref so those who said so are seeing things. Pike punished him and the crime did not fit the punishment. Pike should have his assistants have him sit next to them and let them give it to him and then put him back in. Instead he just went to sit down the bench. Bad job by Pike and bad job by the assistants. I was crazy mad especially when Paul and Caleb were having another subpar game.

100% agree!

 

[ScarletDog]

McConnell’s defense was important. We had to stop #2 and he did it.

You calling him a sphincter? Stopping #2???

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

He was being punished for the T. I am pretty certain of that.

Yes - when he first went out, absolutely. But I don’t know that he was necessarily held out the whole game for discipline purposes.