Jalen Miller
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He’s a point guard Duff!
Our 5th year leader and face of the program, Geo Baker should be our point guard..the ball should be in his hands!
It should be his job to keep this offense in sync and run this offense through him
Pike likes flexibility and experience. The three upperclassmen sharing PG can play multiple positions. If anyone is expecting Miller to all of a sudden be the backup PG, then they aren't taking into account the importance of team chemistry and how difficult the learning curve to be a PG in the Big Ten.
The way this board is, the first bucket for Miller we will have 10 threads on why he should start. Miller's first miss there'll be threads on why RU gave him a scholarship
The way this board is, the first bucket for Miller we will have 10 threads on why he should start. Miller's first miss there'll be threads on why RU gave him a scholarship
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This explanation reads like something out of a Chip Hilton novel.
With the new transfer rules, NIL, and ease of movement for players, the days of grooming players and having them “wait their turn” are in our rear view mirror.
He definitely can play tough defense. I think he and Simpson are the two point guards of the future. I hope he understands that. We will need both of them.
“Waiting their turn” and “provincial recruiting (get local players)” are antiquated notions in Div-1 college sports.
If he were better than the guys playing ahead of him he would be in there
when you are in a life and death struggles twice in a row against the sisters of the poor, its tough for the bench to see minutes.
Some of you guys are just absolutely clueless. Him not playing isn't because he's a bad player. He's a freshman, as we saw last year not every freshman plays a ton. This is a sign of a good program. In years past we would count on freshman to be saviors of the program. He'll see time at some point but our upperclassmen need to play a bit better
When you are struggling to score 20 points in a half, perhaps a change of pace would have helped. Pike says Miller is a strong on ball defender. Our offense wasn’t working as it was, maybe a little speed would have changed something. Wouldn’t have hurt for a couple minute try.
My question wasn't to bash the kid or the team. If you've seen any of my posts I've never done that yet the same posters always type whatever their heart desires even if it means bashing a kid they don't know or a team they allegedly love. My question was more of just wondering why he's not playing at all.
Thanks to those who found a way to hijack another thread.
Thanks to those who found a way to hijack another thread.
So I have a question.
Hypothetically, if Caleb bricks every shot that he takes for the next three games, am I allowed to say "man this guy is an awful shooter" or because he plays for RU, I have to say "damn he is just struggling but I think he is such a great player"
You are allowed to criticze how guys play, I am sure the fans at Duke/Kentucky/Unc etc say much worse things when their mcdonalds all Americans sturggle.
Not sure what you are trying to say here … every substitution that is made, the player is not necessarily better than who they replace on the court. Basketball is a team sport. Are you saying he can’t help us at this point?
He's supposed to be a defensive specialist in our first two games it was the offense that was the big problem.
This thread wasn't about that. I asked a simple question about why Miller wasn't playing. At least you outed yourself!! Great self awareness.
Or people have eyes and can see he’s in possession of the intangibles and tangibles needed to play PG at this level, or they see he doesn’t or isn’t ready.
Most of this board can see positives in failure if the positives are there.
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It would appear that Jalen may be redshirting unless there is a urgent need to play him bc of significant injury or simply poor PG play. After first two games, I’m sure staff is weighing that need but likely giving Caleb/ Paul more time to settle in and play better. We are probably all hoping he doesn’t play waiting for him to play next year and then allowing Simpson to RS his first year. Rooting hard for Caleb/Paul to up their game!
Neither Caleb or Paul should be our point guard….ever.
If Geo needs a blow, I’d see if Miller could hold the fort down for a few minutes.
JMO.
As much as fans are not really used to seeing bigger backcourt players.....Jaden Jones has guard skills....not lead or PG skills......Aundre Hyatt has guard shooting range from the perimeter and corners and has some ability off the dribble.
If you view Hyatt and Jones as guards who should play over other guards Caleb and Mulcahy, Miller is another guard....are there minutes there that make sense??
Baker. Mulcahy, Caleb, Hyatt, Jaden Jones....I am not placing Mag at a guard role, but last year it was
Baker, Jacob, Mathis, Caleb, Mulcahy and that was without Jaden and Mag in the mix like they plan to be this year.
A redshirt isn't out of the question IMO....
And for the record of crowded backcourts elsewhere, SHU is redshirting Ryan Conway....Conway was ultimately squeezed out of the rotation, once SHU added 2 transfers and kept Myles Cale as a 5th year "super senior".....
If you view Hyatt and Jones as guards who should play over other guards Caleb and Mulcahy, Miller is another guard....are there minutes there that make sense??
Baker. Mulcahy, Caleb, Hyatt, Jaden Jones....I am not placing Mag at a guard role, but last year it was
Baker, Jacob, Mathis, Caleb, Mulcahy and that was without Jaden and Mag in the mix like they plan to be this year.
A redshirt isn't out of the question IMO....
And for the record of crowded backcourts elsewhere, SHU is redshirting Ryan Conway....Conway was ultimately squeezed out of the rotation, once SHU added 2 transfers and kept Myles Cale as a 5th year "super senior".....
The answer is simple. He's not good enough to help the team. Whether that's due to inexperience or talent, or a little of both, remains to be seen. It's early.
I don’t think you know that?
Going months in practice with PM running the point is more the reason.
Imo
We are all probably victims of Kansas football beating Texas with the Jayhawks using their 3rd string QB. It’s hard to tell sometimes what you have until they get a real chance to contribute. It’s the Allen Iverson coaching corollary.
People can sugarcoat this all they want. It is a bad sign that he has been a DNP. It doesn't mean he gets completely written off, but the probabilities that he will be a big factor for us has taken a hit. It by no means is zero. Players obviously progress at the different paces, but we know in early November he wasn't ready.
Based on all the preseason talk about what a great defender he is, it was a reasonable question to ask. But I'd have no issue with using him strictly as a practice player this season and maintaining his eligibility for four more years. We'll see how it goes.
What's the redshirt rule for basketball? Is it like football? (Ie. Can play in <33% of games)
The redshirt angle — with transfer rules, we will be grooming players for other programs. These days, not a path for success for a college basketball program.
I think @ColonelRutgers has a good angle on it.
The problem the first two games wasn't defense, it was offense. The talk in preseason about Miller was his defense - which makes me think that his defense is probably ahead of his offense right now. If he's still getting up to college game speed on offense, it would make sense why he wasn't inserted in either of the first two games - we needed offensive spark, not defensive spark.
Doesn't necessarily mean he won't play at all this season, but that's certainly possible, too.
This also plays into what @willisneverrana43 said - he wasn't good enough to help the team in these two games. If the team needed offense and that's not what he's giving right now, he just wasn't going to be the thing that tipped the scales. It's possible if our offense was doing well but we were getting gouged defensively that he may have seen the court. Or not.
Time will tell what his role will be this season.
The problem the first two games wasn't defense, it was offense. The talk in preseason about Miller was his defense - which makes me think that his defense is probably ahead of his offense right now. If he's still getting up to college game speed on offense, it would make sense why he wasn't inserted in either of the first two games - we needed offensive spark, not defensive spark.
Doesn't necessarily mean he won't play at all this season, but that's certainly possible, too.
This also plays into what @willisneverrana43 said - he wasn't good enough to help the team in these two games. If the team needed offense and that's not what he's giving right now, he just wasn't going to be the thing that tipped the scales. It's possible if our offense was doing well but we were getting gouged defensively that he may have seen the court. Or not.
Time will tell what his role will be this season.
Going back to look at freshman guards and wings over Pike's years to see what type of PT they got from the beginning.....
All were part of the rotation from Day 1 with Geo getting 30+ minutes from Day 1
All were part of the rotation from Day 1 with Geo getting 30+ minutes from Day 1
Sample size is small. Maybe there are more capable players than the past to compete with.
Yea that was what I was going to say, the Souf Mensah, Matt Bullock's of the world aren't that hard to beat out for playing time. We don't really have any sort of dead weight on the roster now, every guy that is on scholarship (with the exception of Luke Nathan) can come in and contribute.. Although im weary on Palmquist.
It's not a fair comparison. In 2018-19, Harper, McConnell, Mathis, and Myles were literally the primary bench players at the beginning of the year, with Baker, Thiam and Kiss as the starting guards/wings. There was nobody else who COULD have played, so the four freshmen played out of dire necessity.
In contrast, this year, you not only have Baker, Harper, McConnell, and Mulcahy starting, but you also have Hyatt, Mag and Jaden Jones on the bench in front of Miller. Thus, in close games that we've played thus far where defense wasn't really our problem, there was no reason for Miller to play.
Four years ago, Miller would have played as a backup in our first two games. But now, I don't think we can draw ANY conclusions from Miller's DNPs in two tight games in November of 2021.