Tempered expectations ...is just reality

[Scarlet Shack]

9 games into 2021...it’s confirmed that this is a major rebuild.

I’ll give GS2.0 and staff credit for absolutely pulling 4 wins out this year with what we talent and athletiscm as a whole we have in the program ...(and a chance at more)....but it does beg the question about player development and our staff .

There hasn’t a lot of player development this year from where players left off last year. The age old question what we did last year really max out what we had last year and there wasn’t anything else to squeeze out of Ash leftovers for this year ...or did this staff NOT do a good job of getting these kids to step up this year after the progress last year ?

It’s a question that we need to ask...and be watchful off...

We really won’t know the full answer to that for a at least three years ...when this years true frosh are true seniors and redshirt juniors and the class of 2022 to be signed shortly are true juniors and redshirt soph, with another class behind it as true soph and redshirt frosh. Then we will see if the staff can develop enough higher ranked players to compete at the big ten level ...

Time will tell....

Certainly, some of this COULD be masked if Winstatt is truly the real deal (and that’s a lot of pressure) ...but it’s going to be hard for that to happen when he also needs receivers and a line to improve with him . They aren’t in place yet

Until then ...it’s really about looking for signs of the younger player being able to really play at the big ten level

We were 1-11 and 2-10 in the previous regime last two years

We won 3 games and at least 4 games in the last two years of GS 2.0

I would sign up right now for slow progress of 5-7 and 6-6 over the next two years while the class 2022, 2023 and 2024 grow up.

It’s going to be rough...and we could plateau at 4-8ish Ofer the next couple of years while this happens

we have five games in 2022 and Six games in 2023 in programs that are way ahead of us that would take a major upset to get any ONE of them as a win

2022
Michigan
Penn state
Iowa
At Ohio state
At Michigan state

2023
Ohio state
Michigan state
At Michigan
At penn state
At Iowa
At Wisconsin

Plus...outside of temple and a 1AA games ...expected wins ...to expect us to sweep the other four or five big ten games and out of confrence power five games is expecting a lot .

Reality is , if we are good enough to sweep these other games that aren’t powerhouse in the big ten...we are probably good enough to beat a one or two of the lower end powerhouse programs, especially in a off year

I’m not seeing that in 2022....won’t comment on 2022, way too far out

I would LOVE to see progress to expect more ..but it’s about getting players and developing them. Like 4O of them to compete

And given what I have seen through 9 games this year ...the jury is out on GS2.0 and staff to do that ...

And it’s just going to take a lot of patience that asking this fan base to have more patience ...isn’t going to go over easy

 

[newwavedave1]

I believe that I and many others said they would be happy with four or five wins. The three wins to start the year increased our expectations. Unless Schiano can right the ship, it looks like four is a very real possibility.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

At 4 wins, we’ve achieved the minimal expectations. We get two more wins, and we’re golden. 6-6 is the best most hoped for. We get 1 more win and we’ve exceeded expectations.

we all want success yesterday, but no matter what happens, we’re on track.

 

[RUich]

I think we may pick up one more win with Indiana. We did well after laying an egg against Northwestern. Keep in mind that sandwiched between two outstanding wins by Illinois over PSU and Minny, they lost to us!
I would like to see our young QB come in with some special packages in the remaining three games and retain his RS. Time to start experimenting with some things to see what happens.
Our biggest problem overall is a real lack of depth. GS has to not only build a team with high level starters, but get players who can step in with the injuries that are going to happen. It took him some time to do it last time, and it will take time again since our schedule is a lot tougher than what he faced in GS1.

 

[Knight Shift]

9 games into 2021...it’s confirmed that this is a major rebuild.

I’ll give GS2.0 and staff credit for absolutely pulling 4 wins out this year with what we talent and athletiscm as a whole we have in the program ...(and a chance at more)....but it does beg the question about player development and our staff .

There hasn’t a lot of player development this year from where players left off last year. The age old question what we did last year really max out what we had last year and there wasn’t anything else to squeeze out of Ash leftovers for this year ...or did this staff NOT do a good job of getting these kids to step up this year after the progress last year ?

It’s a question that we need to ask...and be watchful off...

We really won’t know the full answer to that for a at least three years ...when this years true frosh are true seniors and redshirt juniors and the class of 2022 to be signed shortly are true juniors and redshirt soph, with another class behind it as true soph and redshirt frosh. Then we will see if the staff can develop enough higher ranked players to compete at the big ten level ...

Time will tell....

Certainly, some of this COULD be masked if Winstatt is truly the real deal (and that’s a lot of pressure) ...but it’s going to be hard for that to happen when he also needs receivers and a line to improve with him . They aren’t in place yet

Until then ...it’s really about looking for signs of the younger player being able to really play at the big ten level

We were 1-11 and 2-10 in the previous regime last two years

We won 3 games and at least 4 games in the last two years of GS 2.0

I would sign up right now for slow progress of 5-7 and 6-6 over the next two years while the class 2022, 2023 and 2024 grow up.

It’s going to be rough...and we could plateau at 4-8ish Ofer the next couple of years while this happens

we have five games in 2022 and Six games in 2023 in programs that are way ahead of us that would take a major upset to get any ONE of them as a win

2022
Michigan
Penn state
Iowa
At Ohio state
At Michigan state

2023
Ohio state
Michigan state
At Michigan
At penn state
At Iowa
At Wisconsin

Plus...outside of temple and a 1AA games ...expected wins ...to expect us to sweep the other four or five big ten games and out of confrence power five games is expecting a lot .

Reality is , if we are good enough to sweep these other games that aren’t powerhouse in the big ten...we are probably good enough to beat a one or two of the lower end powerhouse programs, especially in a off year

I’m not seeing that in 2022....won’t comment on 2022, way too far out

I would LOVE to see progress to expect more ..but it’s about getting players and developing them. Like 4O of them to compete

And given what I have seen through 9 games this year ...the jury is out on GS2.0 and staff to do that ...

And it’s just going to take a lot of patience that asking this fan base to have more patience ...isn’t going to go over easy

A minor nitpick, and he is our future, his name is Wimsatt.

Of major concern for next year. Who picks up the slack for Olakunle Fatukasi, Tyreek Maddox-Williams, Tyshon Fogg, Julius Turner and CJ Onyechi on defense?

 

[RW90]

The portal should in theory make it easier to turn around a program, just look at Mich. State. That's why the fan base may not be as patient with a GS1.0 type of rebuild.

 

[Plum Street]

The portal should in theory make it easier to turn around a program, just look at Mich. State. That's why the fan base may not be as patient with a GS1.0 type of rebuild.

If anything our fanbase is patient. We have stunk for most of the last 40 years and we are still here

 

[Jimjimminy]

I think the coaches should rebel against the 9 conference game requirement. If we could get a cupcake on the schedule, and Delaware was no cupcake, like the SEC does, more B1G teams would have a shot at bowl games.

 

[Waldo73]

Unfortunately, I believe RU has all the wins they will get this year/

 

[winfield102]

Why are we running the ball on 3rd and goal from the 5-yard line during our second possession in the Wisconsin game? "The ball is the program" has paralyzed the program. We're not even participating on offense.

The staff is failing the kids. We weren't going to beat Wisconsin but give the players a chance to do something positive.

The staff was content to discard multiple possessions in the Illinois game. If not for a great tackle to get a fourth down stop at the end of the game, there's a good chance we lose that game.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Why are we running the ball on 3rd and goal from the 5-yard line during our second possession in the Wisconsin game? "The ball is the program" has paralyzed the program. We're not even participating on offense.

The staff is failing the kids. We weren't going to beat Wisconsin but give the players a chance to do something positive.

The staff was content to discard multiple possessions in the Illinois game. If not for a great tackle to get a fourth down stop at the end of the game, there's a good chance we lose that game.

I always wonder if the reason for not throwing over the middle often or a play like you mention isn't related to NV's arm limitations. Near the goal line everything is compressed, you usually need zip on the ball and hopefully something that doesn't float for most balls accept for a fade maybe. A playaction (not sure that's a good idea from the 5) or some sort of misdirection play could alleviate that need though. I like spread them out qb draws too but 5 might be a little too long for that as well.

 

[koleszar]

2023
Ohio state
Michigan state
At Michigan
At penn state
At Iowa
At Wisconsin

I'd still like to find out who the *** wipe was that came up with this doozy of a schedule and punch him right in the face. How anyone could come to the conclusion this is competitive balance is beyond me. And don't give me that rotational bullsh*t or team ebbs and flows. Iowa and Wisconsin are always the perennial powers in the West and the rotation has been changed, look at how many times we've played Northwestern compared to Wisconsin.

 

[G- RUnit]

Northwestern b*tched and moaned about our admission into the conference. It’s no coincidence that we hardly ever play them.