OT: Restaurants Reducing Capacity
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But not to the degree of what we've seen in the past 15 months. There hasn't been anything like it since 1919.
OK...so you have a POV based on experience too. I'm not even sure we are even disagreeing.
Agree. But media and govt severely overblown it.
Getting off topic..so I’ll stop this discussion.
I don't think I would have either if I hadn't stopped 4.5 years ago.
I just got tired hearing DIO, DIO, DIO....the best in the business.
When things go back to normal 50-75% of restaurants are going out of business, easy. It's going to be a bloodbath. No one is going to pay 18 bucks for a burger.
Id pay 18 bucks for a burger if it meant helping a place stay in business.
I'd hope most on the board would.
i was at Clydz the other night. talking to who i think was the manager (or owner). he was a pain in the *** about 8 per table when most places don't give a ****. he also was crying about 50% when nearly everybody else has been seating well beyond 50% for months. he looked like was seating less than 50%.
First of all NJ isn't at 25% capacity. It's at 50% and about to be full.
Second of all if TGI Friday's can't find people, they can increase wages and the C-Suite at their parent company can buy one less yacht this year.
Lastly and finally, tremendous parts of the economy are absolutely doing swimmingly. There's going to be lots of white collar folks sitting on big savings ready to splurge this summer. It's time for the money they are going to spend to trickle down. You believe in, it let's see it in action.
$15 hour in NJ is a pittance. Places at the shore are going to be absolutely drowning in people from NYC/North Jersey looking to make it rain. Increase the pay and let your workers have some breathing room. Mom and Pop can (and have from what I have seen) raise prices as well to more than make up for it.
Second of all if TGI Friday's can't find people, they can increase wages and the C-Suite at their parent company can buy one less yacht this year.
Lastly and finally, tremendous parts of the economy are absolutely doing swimmingly. There's going to be lots of white collar folks sitting on big savings ready to splurge this summer. It's time for the money they are going to spend to trickle down. You believe in, it let's see it in action.
$15 hour in NJ is a pittance. Places at the shore are going to be absolutely drowning in people from NYC/North Jersey looking to make it rain. Increase the pay and let your workers have some breathing room. Mom and Pop can (and have from what I have seen) raise prices as well to more than make up for it.
Yeah and when TGI Fridays pays $2.13/hour who pays for healthcare? Who pays rent and food?
I'd rather TGI Fridays pay. I'm into capitalism. I get some are not. Free country, thankfully the American people ensured it by overwhelming majority so very recently.
You mean Trump's stimulus plan? Cuz this was an issue well before the new plan was signed.
Not for illegals it wasn't. The illegals are getting KrAzyCheX now here in NY and other candy store states. Biden's "stimulus" gave states money to make it rain for foreigners . Nobody here can find workers (illegals included) and restaurants who have customers are talking about closing down for lack of workers (and chicken etc went up a lot). Contactors cant find workers either and their cost of materials are through the roof. Now paint is in short supply. Add in processor shortages spreading to phones, cars etc and there is a huge sink hole opening up.
"It now appears that New York is using its state budget, recently bolstered with billions in federal dollars, to funnel money to illegal immigrants,” they wrote.
New York’s controversial “excluded workers fund” — part of the state’s $212 billion budget for 2021-2022 — provides payments of up to $15,600 each to illegal immigrants, who were ineligible for coronavirus stimulus money."
Except, if you read the actual industry information and Economist articles referenced in this thread, you might actually find the nuance in the situation. But since you didn't, here's a recap.
1. Stimmy likely had little to no effect on restaurant worker shortage.
2. Portions of the workforce is reluctant to go back to working in restaurants out of concern about the virus, especially for inconsistent pay.
3. Some of the workforce has moved on to other occupations because hours and income were inconsistent during partial reopening
4. Portions of the workforce have also relocated to areas that were open (FL, TX, GA), which caused a worker supply inefficiency in some markets while creating a glut in others. Especially back of house workers who tend to be transient anyway.
5. Everyone is trying to hire at the same time, on short notice, for fewer available resources. It usually isn't like this, so the problem feels even more acute.
It's interesting to see how some people get angry when there aren't enough low skilled workers to provide services for them. I hope they aren't the same people still screaming about the horrors of immigration--unable to make a connection.
I know some restaurant people who won't work over 32 hours right now because they would lose out on extra unemployment benefits. Why work when the government makes it easy not to?
They're working 32 hours now aren't they? I thought the complaint was that people aren't working? Moving the goal posts again?
What? That's part of the reason why there isn't enough staff. Full timers aren't working full time.
Way to comment on a business and situation you probably have zero personal knowledge of..
I'm quite aware of the restaurant business. Thanks for assuming. Have family on both my and my wife's side that own and run restaurants. Worked in a restaurant myself thru college.
An additional anecdotal reason that people aren't quick to run back to food service work... rude customers. Family have told me that quite a few customers are extra rude and abusive to the staff. It's like people have forgotten how to act civil in public.
Nobody can get to 50% with the 6 foot requirement. Most places lived by the 3 foot rule setting up their seating.
This. The full capacity with 6 ft distancing might as well not have been mentioned.
I know Tim. Good friends with one of my good friends. Served him and his wife many times.
Forget about working at Fridays, who the hell would eat that grease, it is disgusting, cheap and crappy food. They deserve to go out of business based on their food alone. The world would be a much better place if all the Fridays and Applebees no longer existed.
Unfortunately, Fridays and Crapplebees are pretty much the closest thing to fine dining in some towns in America. Been to a couple of these places in my travels for work. It's unfortunate.
Hasn't been made by an awful lot of people hostile to both. Not to mention, people who won't allow reform of immigration law to allow more legal immigrants (ie. the tea party jackoffs who killed a compromise bill supported by John Boehner years ago) or any kind of dreamers to become legal.
illegal immigrants are the only reasons the restaurant industry in nyc ever was successful over the last 30 years.
The type of immigrants we are allowing under our legal programs are not the kind that will be working the back of the restaurant
I work in a restaurant part time. Pre-covid I worked 2-3 shifts per week. At the peak of the pandemic, all of my shifts were taken by fulltime workers (which I was okay with). I learned to save a bit more and also make up that lost income in other ways. Now, I only work one shift a week and have no desire to work more than that becauss I have managed to make up that lost money in other ways.
MANY of the workers left after peak pandemic and found more consistent, reliable jobs. Additionally the restaurant I work in never abided by most covid precautions and has been at 100% indoor capacity this entire time (minus bar service). There were workers who felt unsafe and left for those reasons. The health department has been there a few times with no penalties.
In my opinion there are three contributing factors:
1. People left the industry for more consistent income.
2. Some people left because of lack of covid precautions.
3. Some people are collecting unemployment.
Additionally, many restaurants have undergone management and policy changes that make it a difficult work environment. For example, my restaurant imposed a 3% credit card fee on checks that pay via card and 3 of 5 tables get angry and argumentative with me about it which makes my job much less enjoyable.
Things will balance back out eventually and workers will return, I just think the hospitality industry is undergoing a weening out of sorts and needs to “reset” in some ways.
MANY of the workers left after peak pandemic and found more consistent, reliable jobs. Additionally the restaurant I work in never abided by most covid precautions and has been at 100% indoor capacity this entire time (minus bar service). There were workers who felt unsafe and left for those reasons. The health department has been there a few times with no penalties.
In my opinion there are three contributing factors:
1. People left the industry for more consistent income.
2. Some people left because of lack of covid precautions.
3. Some people are collecting unemployment.
Additionally, many restaurants have undergone management and policy changes that make it a difficult work environment. For example, my restaurant imposed a 3% credit card fee on checks that pay via card and 3 of 5 tables get angry and argumentative with me about it which makes my job much less enjoyable.
Things will balance back out eventually and workers will return, I just think the hospitality industry is undergoing a weening out of sorts and needs to “reset” in some ways.
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