A lot of engineering schools offer a 1 year masters program for their undergrad engineering alums, and often students can start grad school classwork in the senior year. Aside from the financial cost, it's generally the easiest way to do it.
Thought about Myles Johnson
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Its funny some people treat the Stanford vs Rutgers decision through the lens of a typical student. Myles has all the connections he ever will need from being a B1G bball star. He's got the grades to back it up too. His opportunities are already endless here
That's the point I'm trying to make lol
That’s a general rule in science. But honestly I’m a hiring manager and it doesn’t matter compared to experience.
He’s going to land a great job no matter where he goes. He’s famous - not a regular kid. Nobody is turning him down for an interview.
The questions is more of whether he wants to be closer to his family IMO.
The questions is more of whether he wants to be closer to his family IMO.
You just made me want to throw up.
I only have a meager BS and MS from RU and yet I have been able to maintain a lifelong good feeling about myself.
I worked my butt off, and I tried to do the best I could for everyone around me.
When I meet a Stanford or Ivy League guy, I make my judgment about them based on their character, their willingness to work hard, and their willingness to listen to the ideas of others.
Guess I am just a blue collar guy with different values than you - thank goodness.
You can be proud of anywhere you go. I just don’t think anyone else cares all that much after you get your first job. 10 years into your career, your next job is about what you’ve accomplished in your career not where you went to school. That’s just how life works. And for a kid who can go anywhere for his first job, it matters even less.
While I personally agree with you, as a college counselor, I can tell you that there are MANY people in society who attach a great deal of importance to the name of the college attended. As in, to them it is the ONLY thing that matters.
And I work at a public high school...
I agree. Being proud of where you went is part and parcel to alumni support of college athletics, so most of us are at least a little bit guilty... but it is key to recognize that no one else gives a ****
Hoops....am not talking about career growth. For that, sure school matters less and less over time and recent 'performance' matters more. I am speaking of personal pride and value. Being a Stanford alum offers more of that than being a Rutgers alum. Fact.
Ok, my question would be, does he have to enroll in a grad program immediately after undergrad? He could always study here - any subject. Pursue other undergrad degrees. Continue work at IBM while taking random courses at RU. What's the rush?
Meh. If this is still making a big difference in your life for very long after you graduate then you probably haven’t done much of note post-graduation.
Myles could also do more than one master's degree. Say he stays at RU and dovetails the B.S. in EE with a M.S. in EE while playing hoops. He might then be interested in complementing that with a master's in a related field such as Comp Sci at a top school in CA (including elite, small Caltech), or even just elsewhere such as MIT or Carnegie Mellon or an Ivy such as Cornell, and hanging up the sneakers.
If he doesn't have any remaining NCAA eligibility during the latter master's then it doesn't really matter whether he attends a school that has D1 athletics (Cal, UCLA, Stanford, USC, etc) or not (Caltech) as he would no longer be able to get an athletic scholarship obviously. But he might still qualify for a merit-based scholarship/fellowship or some kind of stipend or grad student aid through a teaching assistantship, if desired, esp. if he's an attractive applicant strictly based on his academic qualifications.
If he doesn't have any remaining NCAA eligibility during the latter master's then it doesn't really matter whether he attends a school that has D1 athletics (Cal, UCLA, Stanford, USC, etc) or not (Caltech) as he would no longer be able to get an athletic scholarship obviously. But he might still qualify for a merit-based scholarship/fellowship or some kind of stipend or grad student aid through a teaching assistantship, if desired, esp. if he's an attractive applicant strictly based on his academic qualifications.
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Being one of the only people on these boards with a BS, MS, and PhD in eng'g (all from RU), as well as having interviewed hundreds of engineers from dozens of schools and being one of the lead hiring decision-makers on dozens of hires (including being responsible for all recruiting of eng'g talent from Rutgers for Merck for 12 years), and topped off with having one of my grad school classmates being the eng'g school dean who was Myles's primary host (the one who spoke Japanese) on his tour when he came to RU originally and who is still one of his mentors, I think I might know a bit more about all of this than most others.
The post above is a very good one, IMO. Plus, don't underestimate the support he got from the eng'g school in putting together his BLKdev effort to encourage more minority representation in STEM fields. He has truly loved his time at RU in the eng'g school and playing basketball. Could he go elsewhere for grad school? Sure, it's possible. Will he? Based on what I know, I think he's likely to stay here. I hope I'm right.
First off, from a hoops perspective, him staying one more year ensures RU is still a good bet to make the NCAAs next year, so it's not like there are a ton of schools where he's going to do better (and very few of those have better eng'g schools - Stanford hoops is a step down from RU right now). Secondly, given his already high profile from being a basketball star and getting more attention paid to what he's accomplished at RU than almost any eng'g grad anywhere, why would he have to go elsewhere to improve on what is already a startling set of accomplishments?
Sure, if you're Joe engineer, making the move to Stanford will often make more sense than staying at RU, but he's a special case. And while going to a different grad school than undergrad is sometimes not recommended, that's much more for the PhD, as the PhD differentiates students far more than the MS does. MS's in eng'g are fairly easy to get, whereas PhD's require much more effort and are quite helpful if one wants to do high level R&D. I happened to get all 3 degrees at RU and most objective people would say I had a fairly successful career in eng'g in R&D - whether the degrees were from different schools only matters to elitists for the most part. So, I'm simply not seeing the huge advantage of going to Stanford for an MS degree. And if truly wants an R&D career, there's nothing that says he can't get his MS at RU while finishing hoops and then he could go to any other school for his PhD, but I'm thinking he's going to play pro hoops somewhere first. We'll see.
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This. And if it mattered before, you probably would’ve gone Ivy for basketball as an undergrad too.
Maybe he can play here one more season , get a rutgers masters then go get another degree at Stanford ?
That's what I said above. For hoops, RU is a better place than Stanford right now and the MS is far less important than the PhD, if that's the direction he's eventually going, and he can decide where to do that after next year without basketball being a consideration (other than trying to go pro).
i know Stanford is important and academically better than us but Rutgers has enough alumni to get Myles an interview anywhere he wants whether it be engineering, finance, law, politics, marketing....
So you're making the claim that it is a fact that Stanford Alums have more personal pride and value than RU Alums? How exactly would you know this to be a fact? Or are you mixing in your perception?
While it is a fact that Stanford is a tougher school to get into than RU and has a higher level of prestige and probably a higher level of alumni income post graduate.......there is really no way to compare measurements of something like personal pride based solely on where you graduated from. I would think that personal pride comes into play based on what you are able to accomplish in life against your goals - based on where you graduated from as well as the experience you've built.
Anyone here speaking as if they know what Myles should do is just silly. None of us are in his head and none of us know's what drives him. He may for instance not be solely focused on that plaque on the wall and also place a high focus on his relationships, mentors and family. After all - he turned down an offer from Yale so perhaps he doesn't agree with your definition of personal pride and value tied to the school he attends.
Doesn't he have 2 years of eligibility left since he was a redshirt junior this season and this season doesn't count against eligibility?
Great movie reference. I really liked that movie. The interplay in that specific scene was a big reason why. Classic scene. "Say it!" "Say it!"
If I were advising him, I'd see if MIT would let him play another season at RU and then transfer into a doctoral program. Assuming his grades and so forth are strong enough to get in. Since they don't have a BB program, they might be more amenable to such an arrangement than Stanford.
Not really sure this can be done, from an NCAA/scholarship standpoint. If it is, I'd think RU would be all for it, even knowing he'll transfer out after the first year. Even if he takes the minimum necessary classes at RU in that first year. And MIT would gain a notable graduate student which is nothing but good PR for them.
Best scene of the movie--and not so incidentally that movie scene interplay reflects most of the BIGRU and RU###'s Board posting interplay lol...he done good with this one!
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true.
but, you have Stanford on the resume - and you don't need alumni to make a call...
JPL, Silicon Valley and the rest of the world call you....
NevermindBest scene of the movie--and not so incidentally that movie scene interplay reflects most of the BIGRU and RU###'s Board posting interplay lol...he done good with this one!
Why don't you just suck harvard's dick? The lifelong good feeling..what a joke. It's called arrogance.
Beach... was Rutgers your first choice ? There is a college status pecking order in case you weren’t aware.
Am not saying people can’t be proud of whatever their accomplishments are, college, greenest lawn, most Girl Scout cookies sold...but it’s absurd that you deny added intrinsic value of A+ University degrees compared to the rest.
All else being equal (scholarship, etc), don’t tell us you would choose Rutgers over Princeton.
Am not saying people can’t be proud of whatever their accomplishments are, college, greenest lawn, most Girl Scout cookies sold...but it’s absurd that you deny added intrinsic value of A+ University degrees compared to the rest.
All else being equal (scholarship, etc), don’t tell us you would choose Rutgers over Princeton.
Sorry, I chose RU over Princeton, MIT and Cornell and was very happy I did.
To each his own #s....same cost for you ? Do tell.
Not saying a poor man can’t feel more content and proud than a rich man.
Point is, they are not equal schools in reputation, academic & research resources and opportunities, and intrinsic reward.
Not saying a poor man can’t feel more content and proud than a rich man.
Point is, they are not equal schools in reputation, academic & research resources and opportunities, and intrinsic reward.
It's not like Todd Billet leaving for "Virginia" to make it to the NCAA 0- Myles is leaving cause of his career in Engineering, which is what people are ALWAYS clamoring about. I'm not his biggest fan, but love his choices and hardwork outside the court. Personally (no inside info), I don't see him returning and thank him for his 4 years in building a better program than when he walked in.
It SUCKS to lose him, but it's for the right reasons!
It SUCKS to lose him, but it's for the right reasons!