Rutgers to REQUIRE all in person students to be vaccinated this fall
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Conflicting thought process of some people around here:
Fast tracking the vaccine prior to 11/3/2020: brilliant, we need to get people vaccinated so we can put all this behind us. Thanks goodness we have a leader who is getting the job done and making those vaccines available!
Fast tracking the vaccine post 11/3/2020: hang on folks, it’s not approved by the FDA....EUA only. We don’t know the long term effects yet (as if there’s any way to know that other than to just let time march on and study as much as we possibly can).
Anyone who suggests they’re objectively looking at this argument absent a political slant is full of it.
Fast tracking the vaccine prior to 11/3/2020: brilliant, we need to get people vaccinated so we can put all this behind us. Thanks goodness we have a leader who is getting the job done and making those vaccines available!
Fast tracking the vaccine post 11/3/2020: hang on folks, it’s not approved by the FDA....EUA only. We don’t know the long term effects yet (as if there’s any way to know that other than to just let time march on and study as much as we possibly can).
Anyone who suggests they’re objectively looking at this argument absent a political slant is full of it.
Also the dichotomy of “private individuals and enterprises should be free to make their own choices”, and “government should mandate private enterprises’ decisions re: access to unvaccinated individuals.”
Seems like the perfect free market solution to allow private enterprise to decide between allowing anyone access regardless of vaccine status, or forego some profits and restrict access.
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the opponents are not RU students, nor are they living on campus, nor are they taking classes at RU. We played opponents last year without a vaccine at all.
Their athletes don’t get to live in our dorms or attend our classes anymore
I remember making a trip to campus before my freshman year started to get the meningitis vaccine.
And at 18 I wasn’t into doing anything I didn’t have to do
How do vaccines like the ones manufactured by Pfizer and Moderna get the benefit of what happened in “hundreds of years of vaccine development” when they are using a revolutionary mechanism with no history in a vaccine before?
They’ve been researching mRNA vaccines for 30 years, and these scientists didn’t just suddenly unlearn everything they knew while developing these specific vaccines
offering of course. Although would not be surprised to see many other State U's mandate it as RU has done.
I brought this up because there was some question about whether RU's mandate was feasible because of the age of incoming students.
You know what else is odd?
That you're suddenly concerned with long-term effects when you've spent nearly a year complaining about masks, shutdowns, anti-gathering recommendations and other measures with complete and utter indifference to the long-term effects of COVID itself.
Personally, I'm more worried about COVID's long-term effects, and I'd expect you to be at least equally worried, at least if you're wearing your Sunday-best "fair and balanced" hat. But clearly you are not equally concerned, based on how extensively you've spouted off about the minimal risk of COVID, both at large and with respect to specific age groups.
Please don't tell us that you look at both sides anymore.
They’ve been researching mRNA vaccines for 30 years, had never gotten one approved and are now giving it to tens of millions of people in what amounts to the worlds biggest late stage clinical trial.
mRNA vaccines are another means to an end. The goal of eliciting an immune response is the same as with "older" vaccines. The vaccine doesn't "last in your system" for years, it's pretty much gone after a couple of weeks . It has no chance or "altering your DNA" (another myth that keeps coming up). No one is going to grow horns 4 years later from COVID vaccine. There can be no long term testing unless you want to wait 10 years before approving it which is a pretty rotten idea.
Yes, the B1G looked like huge clowns as they played for an NC.
Okay, maybe a little ... but no more so than any team playing Alabama.
Lol, with your logic it would never be okay to use a new vaccine until it had been previously approved, which would be impossible because it had never been used.
Sorry biotech wasn’t as advanced as it is now while you were making calls from your Nokia and waiting for Windows 95 to boot up.
Although Im not old enough to have been engaged in public debate at that time, I would have a different opinion about a disease with a 10% ifr.
The businesses on and around campus will continue to suffer with less foot traffic than normal.
Many students won't get a shot they know they don't need and has possible/unknown long term consequences to their health.
It should obviously be a choice.
Many students won't get a shot they know they don't need and has possible/unknown long term consequences to their health.
It should obviously be a choice.
No, that isn’t my logic because new vaccines and other drugs are approved all the time.
The thing is, that almost always happens after its safety and efficacy is confirmed in a pretty well defined clinical trial process.
These vaccines did not complete that full process. Emergency use for the people at most risk (like the elderly and those with underlying conditions) can be justified because of their increased likelihood of severe COVID.
Not only encouraging but trying to force people at little risk, and especially giving it to people at low risk who have a condition where you haven’t even tried to identify possible adverse events (like pregnant women) is another thing entirely,
Policy right now is only for rutgers students, not campus visitors .
I don't think virtual classes are going anywhere so they can still "attend" Rutgers. Their choice.
Yep, and that choice sucks.
All you Rutgers grads, do you wish you had attended virtual instead of on campus?
Some experience that is
nope I would gladly have had the vaccine.
heres another choice--don't enroll. perhaps attend Liberty or Bob Jones U where science is laughed at.
I imagine the majority of the students will follow the science and make the best decision they can for themselves. No regrets
Answer the question please.
Your choice to get a useless and possibly dangerous shot for an 18 yr old. But, that would be your choice, just like those that understand the science and choose not to get pricked based on it.
Stop making it personal everytime i post something..address the topic with relevant information
Yep. And Rutgers shouldn't penalize those that follow the science, should they?
You seem very passionate about the students getting the vaccine . Do you have children at Rutgers? If so, how will you advise them ?
Not penalizing. It’s a policy that I am sure someone is drafting up a civil suit to strike down right now
Stop deflecting and answer please.
You have very strong opinions on this. Why do you want every Rutgers student to get the needle to be allowed on campus?
Those that choose to get pricked will be protected apparently.
Care to explain how that's going to benefit Rutgers?
Off topic but if I had kids (18-22), I would vehemently advise them to follow the science and do not get the shot.
But it’s not a choice...someone is making it for you.
I’ve said earlier I don’t think is that big of a deal but if they are going to do it...do it. Have everyone take it, faculty/staff and students.
You calling it a "useless and dangerous shot" is enough to not qualify a legit response.
You are defending a lot of attacks against the mRNA vaccines that I didn’t make.
However, your scoffing at the idea that vaccines can cause unforeseen problems that didn’t arise in shorter trials is unfounded.
A lot of vaccines were rushed in 2009 when there was a worry about a swine flu. A vaccine called Pandemrix was linked with over 1300 cases of narcolepsy in Sweden. They were giving multiple flu vaccine types there, so the fact only Pandemrix had the additIonal cases made them realize it was a problem, but it took years before they figured out the actual mechanism of the problem.
Please use legit sources.
Cnn and Axios, come on now
the study they are reportping was published in a peer reviewed medical journal moron. That is a legit source
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