It says it was updated in September.
And ...aren't we talking about college age range? Those under 18 can't even get two of the vaccines.
Rutgers to REQUIRE all in person students to be vaccinated this fall
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It says it was updated in September.
And ...aren't we talking about college age range? Those under 18 can't even get two of the vaccines.
Private business. They want everybody in there to have some sort of protection against covid in the form of a vaccine. And in case the vaccine didn’t work for someone there, they are taking extra steps to ensure they don’t have a wrongful death lawsuit on their hands. Seems pretty simple to me.
1. Probably wearing them due to variants (vaccines are less effective against SA variant specifically) and uncertainty around the need for boosters. However, even if the vaccines are 50% effective that’s better than 0% effective (source: 50 is larger number than 0).
2. Long-term effects unknown but typically vaccines do not cause any long-term effects and there are no indications these ones do either.
3. Unsure how long it lasts. I’d assume at least 6 months given that’s around how long trials have been going on. This would also be another reason to wear masks.
THAT’s the really scary one for this age.
It’s the one I worry about the most for my college aged kids.
CNBC, among other national outlets, picked up the news.
Surely, other universities will follow suit.
Surely, other universities will follow suit.
Are any of those other vaccines they require still not approved and issued under an Emergency Use Authorization as they continue to monitor the clinical trial participants for another year or so for long term adverse events?
Quick, are they going to need it every year now?
And I am legitimately asking, not trying to “gotcha” anyone here.
The government is also saying pregnancy is one of the conditions that allows women to get the vaccine earlier than other people in their age group, while knowing pregnant women were not included in the trials.
Pfizer’s presentation document to the FDA has a paragraph pointing out that further trials were needed to determine the safety and efficacy of their vaccine in pregnant women (after they were specifically excluded from last year’s trial).
we don't know yet re: annual boosters. Depends on a lot of things but it would not be an unlikely scenario.
Getting this back to sports, I hope this does not adversely affect recruiting for Rutgers, but fear it could. This vaccine was fast-tracked, they did not do the usual long-term trials.
My guess is it’s employment law related and they’d have to continue to pay staff who refuse whereas the students are choosing to attend RU and could go elsewhere if they don’t like the rules (just as if they don’t want a measles vaccine)? The staff probably will be subject to some kind of testing protocol instead if they choose not to get vaccinated.
I hear your point with the FDA approval, but at the same time, there are folks who ardently believe that the MMR shot causes or worsens autism and refuse to get it for this reason. If you want to attend RU or send your kids to certain camps you need MMR regardless of these fears. This would be the same kind of rationale.
History suggests that in the absence of people talking about science on internet message boards, we’d still be wearing masks and getting vaccinated.
Both are common sense approaches that scientific research happens to support; though anyone with the time and inclination can find non-causal corrections that *appear* to suggest these approaches are wrong. Let’s call that the pseudo-science.
Yes. We have to start getting serious about getting people vaccinated
Thanks? Do you want me to spout nonsense like you do all day?
I’m shocked you made it out of high school let alone presumably in NJ. Can’t even form a rebuttal other than “haha using ur brain is dum!”
Where did you get your science degree again?
Easier to just suggest science bad when you have nothing of value to say
If confused, stick the what we do know. If I have listed something false below, please correct me.
The federal government has granted companies like Pfizer and Moderna immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines.
Vaccines ineffective against variants
Waning of efficacy over time has been demonstrated with other vaccines
Trial not complete. Long term effect of C19 vaccines will not be known for many years
Trial has not provided enough data to draw conclusions that vaccine can impact transmission
Trials are encouraging and have shown that by taking the vaccine one may avoid severe symptoms.
Most people with severe symptoms (not all) fall into the highest risk categories.
The federal government has granted companies like Pfizer and Moderna immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines.
Vaccines ineffective against variants
Waning of efficacy over time has been demonstrated with other vaccines
Trial not complete. Long term effect of C19 vaccines will not be known for many years
Trial has not provided enough data to draw conclusions that vaccine can impact transmission
Trials are encouraging and have shown that by taking the vaccine one may avoid severe symptoms.
Most people with severe symptoms (not all) fall into the highest risk categories.
I got so many emails and calls yesterday
I said I'll wait to see how they handle fan attendance before I give anything again.
You can't even go see a baseball game outdoors today.
If they require bogus vaccine proof it will severely hurt donations and fan interest going forward
yes because the 2nd point you made in your original post there used such science...too bad you cant just get to pick and choose when you decide to use science and when its appropriate to use your hunches
Really? Then why does he care so much about this when it won’t affect him at all
But that's what you do every day, minus the ever using science part.
I think you’re a doctor right? If so, don’t you realize that your experience and fact-based feedback are no longer welcome?
Combination of science and logic with some common sense sprinkled in. It's the way I roll.
If the students were sequestered amongst themselves for the semester, I would mostly agree with your first point. But they will go to football games, have their boyfriends/girlfriends visit from out of town, go back home to see their own parents/grandparents, visit the Scarlet Pub and mix with various age patrons..see wherenthis is going.
As far as the effects of the vaccine..the short term ones have obviously been studied. Long term? Who knows. That's where the studies will help. I have spoken with numerous people in the medical profession and the overwhelming consensus is the risk of untoward effects of covid are much more concerning than the vaccine. It's the old plus/minus analysis for any situation. And I ain't ducking the vaccine and how long it will last. Studies havent been completed and published. Science needs to prevail here. Believe it or not, I am knee deep into an antibody study for those post vaccine as I type this response.
Aren’t faculty and staff doing the same thing?
I don’t really have a problem with this but I do I think if you’re going to do it...do it. For everyone.
Did you have an opinion about the meningitis vaccination requirements?
Like someone said it’s probably a workplace /employment law issue. .
rather odd, why are you bringing up grandparents????? If people want the vaccines then they will get the vaccines, so no the students hold no responsibility in that, older people and at risk should be getting the vaccine if they feel comfortable with it
The second point is largely applying statistics, which isn’t directly science but isn’t also just “thoughts and prayers”-ing things like you want to do.
Based on probabilities using hundreds of years of past vaccine development, it is unlikely this specific vaccine will cause long-term side effects. Additionally, in scientific trials to date there have been no indications that long-term side effects are likely. Therefore, I’m trusting math and science, rather than blogs and some random guy ranting and raving all day on a message board about “vaccine bad.”
You mean like they followed the BIG10 when they canceled football?
Colleges are desperate for enrollment right now. I don't expect many to follow this. You are going to see full stadiums all over the country in the fall and the small group that pulls things like this are going to look like clowns again.
wouldnt that be the same response for someone who had covid have immunity
oh wait, I know..the variants
I’m going to set the combined over/under of science, statistics and logic classes for the antivaxxers here at 1.5, so maybe that’s the issue.
Got the impression from the post that his gripe was about authoritarianism vs safety
Thank you. I appreciate your recognition of the effort I put into this.
The variants and the fact that studies have shown 1) significantly higher immunity with the vaccines vs. recovered COVID patients, and 2) the (seemingly) higher likelihood of recovered COVID patients losing immunity.
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