It is easy to debate whether Geo should have tweeted NIL stuff a few days before the biggest game of his life. But the real question is what is the property right or right of amateur athletes to compensation beyond the $200000 scholarship? And further what do schools do about the Title IX implications if only football and basketball players are compensated. How about female tennis players? What would Billie Jean King say about that. The timing was off and the remedy unclear. That is my view from the cheap seats.
Can of worms
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Unfortunately, other than the players and their families, very few care about women's tennis or men's tennis or many other minor sports at major universities.
If the players insist on getting paid, many schools will cut those minor sports if Title IX is still in play.
Best of Luck,
Groz
If the players insist on getting paid, many schools will cut those minor sports if Title IX is still in play.
Best of Luck,
Groz
What better time to post than before the tourney - maximum exposure. To think that college athletes can't walk and chew gum at the same time is also a little silly, IMO and they're certainly capable of reading the literature and recognizing that they bring far more $$ into universities (especially P5 ones) than they're scholarships are worth. Whether we like it or not as fans, a reckoning is coming.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1527002515617510
NIL isn’t about the schools paying players it’s about players having the rights to their own names and likenesses to make money how they wish.
God forbid these kids try to buck an unjust system at a time of maximum exposure just because the rest of us don’t want what we have waited 30 years for disrupted. I actually think they should be commended. When NIL rights finally do get implemented (and they will), it won’t be Geo and Ron benefiting from them. They are ultimately going to be on the right side of history here. They damn sure have peoples attention now. As RU alum and former member of the program (albeit small & years and years ago) I am extremely proud of them.
The timing was 100% spot on. This is a issue Geo cares deeply about, and this is the time he can get the most publicity.
As for Title 9, Geo is not advocating to get paid, only to control his Name and Likeness. All student athletes should control their own name and likeness.
It’s not like Geo doesn’t want to win. The more they win, the louder his voice becomes. Sorry if this doesn’t fit in with the neat narrative of ‘amateur’ athletics some think they are watching when they tune in Friday.
Which in the world of promotion and marketing is worth nothing, actually less than nothing
The longer Geo keeps us in the tournament, the longer his voice can be heard. The better he plays, the more exposure this will get.
It's a Win-Win.
Or better yet: win-win-win-win-win-win
It's a Win-Win.
Or better yet: win-win-win-win-win-win
Credit to Geo! He's right! Deserves his forum. Myles too! Kudos!
Richard
The fact that there are now multiple threads discussing this and getting people upset over this is exactly the point, right. He’s not hurting anyone. He’s addressing concerns publicly. You might disagree with his premise but don’t you understand that’s the point of civil disobedience. These young men are riling people up to bring attention to their cause. It’s been said multiple times that it’s not about getting paid for playing. But they’re questioning whether telling Them they can’t play if they ever try to make money using their name is ok. I think they have every right to question it. I also wish it wasn’t a distraction to them because I’ve been waiting a lifetime for this
The fact that there are now multiple threads discussing this and getting people upset over this is exactly the point, right. He’s not hurting anyone. He’s addressing concerns publicly. You might disagree with his premise but don’t you understand that’s the point of civil disobedience. These young men are riling people up to bring attention to their cause. It’s been said multiple times that it’s not about getting paid for playing. But they’re questioning whether telling Them they can’t play if they ever try to make money using their name is ok. I think they have every right to question it. I also wish it wasn’t a distraction to them because I’ve been waiting a lifetime for this
You do realize they get paid for their likeness and you’ve just opened up the floodgates to another professional league. Only this time without a salary cap. The name of the game will be big booster sponsored autograph sessions. He who pays the most wins the National Championship.
You will have a lot of schools who feel they are not in the business of running a professional sports franchise. Those schools will simply bow out. Rutgers is one such school who will not feel the need for a sports franchise.
They already have this ... they just don't have the opportunity to play NCAA college basketball without relinquishing these rights.
Far more money into the program?? Our program LOSES money every year. Geo should owe Rutgers 1/13th of the net loss in the mens hoops program. That seems most fair. Anyone who donates to RU hoops (as I do) helps subsidize Geo's expenses as an athlete.
Again, no one is giving out money. Professors already control their NIL. The players are asking for the same.
Men’s basketball does not lose money. RU Athletics does, not men’s basketball.
Interesting POV so why would people be against it if this flops then nothing ventured and nothing gained.
Hate it, love it-- it's happening. so, figure out how to deal with it... not how to hide from it..
I think there are some very real, adult, issues - about fairness, tax implications, unintended consequences and obvious issues with fraud and abuse - but that doesn't mean you can ignore it..
College Football/Basketball will be re-emerging on video games. Wondering how much individual revenue for the players the licensing rights would be for using names & likeness?
I think it’s much about nothing. Only the best basketball and football players are gonna get real money at that’s few and far between. What are they gonna get, $1-2 bucks a jersey sold with their name on them. After paying the people that will manage this for them, 99.9% won’t have enough cash for a fat sandwich and fries — Geo included. A marketing deal for most of these kids is a money loser. Are the kids gonna be hit with the bills. Let’s say Luke Nathan wants a piece of cash from jerseys with his name on them and strikes a deal with Scarlet Fever. I’m gonna bet Scarlet Fever only does that deal if Luke has a ton of skin in the game.
This is kneeling during the national anthem redux to those complaining. There would never be a proper time. Shut up and play basketball is what most here want to say.
It’s kinda funny. Kids locked in hotel rooms 24x7 except for practice so the tourney can go on and people are worried they are spending too much time tweeting.
Someone is paying out money . My donation helps and has helped for years to not only athletes but regular student body kids. So I guess that’s “ giving “ out money . The old saying of “ be careful what you wish for”. In Baker’s case if he is good enough to get endorsements more power to him my only concern. He’s not that good.
The NCAA will make sure we do not win win win win. Refs will throw a game if they have to, calling out the league body in social media always ends bad no matter what sport you play, pro or not.
Maybe, maybe not, but unlike many Geo sees the larger picture. Players in the future will be. The main point is that players should control their own NIL just like all other students, and professors do.
You act like there are schools whose boosters aren’t already funneling money to players, albeit illegally.
and who cares? I’d rather a kid get paid to do commercials than Archie Miller get paid $10 million to do nothing.
That is very debatable. It all comes down to accounting. How do you allocate the B1G revenue to the various programs? How do you allocate the expenses just to get in to the B1G?
To the OP title. It is a can of worms. This is so complicated. Talk about unintended consequences.
it is my belief players like Geo Baker are so better off with the system this way. I believe if the system goes the way he wants 2030 Geo Baker is playing for Rutgers in the A10 and there are no fancy basketball facilities and private airplanes.
it is my belief players like Geo Baker are so better off with the system this way. I believe if the system goes the way he wants 2030 Geo Baker is playing for Rutgers in the A10 and there are no fancy basketball facilities and private airplanes.
I don't care what sport you are playing, but when you are going up against top competition, in the biggest game (or hopefully series of games) in your life, you need to be locked in 100% on the task at hand. To think this isn't a distraction to Geo and the entire team is being naive.
Geo will not go down as the guy who changed the way college athletes are compensated for their likeness or image on ads , video games and anything else. It’s not that he shouldn’t champion it as his personal agenda item he just needs to express it in a different format. Maybe a new TAT ?
....As I do think there is something modestly more the student athletes should be getting than They are now ...here is the devils advocate to the downside of student athletes asking and pushing for too much
If the student athletes push too much ...it’s possible that athletic department lose their not-for-profit status ...(which, btw, may happen whether or not student athletes push for more and are successful).....
It’s also possible if that happens ...the Student-athlete scholarship becomes ....a taxable event to the student -athletes and with income taxes that has to be paid on some or all of the value of the scholarship
That would be a big loss for the student athletes ...quite large
If the student athletes push too much ...it’s possible that athletic department lose their not-for-profit status ...(which, btw, may happen whether or not student athletes push for more and are successful).....
It’s also possible if that happens ...the Student-athlete scholarship becomes ....a taxable event to the student -athletes and with income taxes that has to be paid on some or all of the value of the scholarship
That would be a big loss for the student athletes ...quite large
Obviously it's hyperboly to say "less than nothing" as that's not possible. But if it's not worth anything, why has the NCAA fought so hard to retain those rights?
You have to think, at some point, some schools are going to say this just isn’t worth it. Even before corona, some schools just can’t afford big budgets and staff to handle all these aspects of college athletics anymore. They can’t keep up with facilities.Either they will drop down to Division 2 or 3 , or in the case of football just throw in the towel. Schools like FDU, Saint Peter’s, Central Connecticut are lucky if they get 1,000 to a basketball game and basically no money coming in from TV and merchandise sales.