Effin technical for once so maybe ONE game we will get some GD calls this is just absurd its just sickening to watch you sit there on the sidelines with your arms folded the whole game
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Frankly, even with bad officiating today, we didn’t deserve to win today. 3/22 from 3 will never beat Iowa
geo was 1-6 and Ron was 0-4. If they do that we can’t be at any big ten team.
I am just not sure why people want pike to get T’d up. So we can give the other team 2 free points in a game we are already losing? There is mot one person who can name 2 games they have seen in there life where a coach getting a T helped the team win.
I don’t understand why people think Pike getting a T helps us. The team already plays hard. The refs aren’t going to change.
Turned the game off in the second half after PM got whistled for getting clocked in the face. First time I did that all year. Pike really pisses me off sometimes by trying to be the softest coach in P5 ball.
PM should”ve swung at garza after getting called for that.
PM should”ve swung at garza after getting called for that.
Because Pike is soft as s*** and shows no emotion during the game. At least show the players you care about the horses*** that gets called.
What a comical sham that was. If you don't eat a T there you never will.
Funny how it seems every time time Baker offers advice or opinions he goes in the tank. Just play basketball and stop with the pre game Geo. And Ron Harper is slower every time I watch him now. Right after the hype early in the season Harper was injured and still appears out of condition.
Pike had a front row seat playing for one of the all time great workers of referees in Jim Calhoun yet chooses to take a different path. He could be more demonstrative/animated at times without getting a T but chooses not to. Whether that would truly be helpful is open to debate as is whether crossing the line and getting a T is any better.
Perhaps he is just trying to practice what he teaches his kids is that they need to play through adversity and focus on what they can control. Unfortunately getting a consistently favorable whistle on close judgement calls takes time and seems to be reserved for those few with a proven track record of winning.
Perhaps he is just trying to practice what he teaches his kids is that they need to play through adversity and focus on what they can control. Unfortunately getting a consistently favorable whistle on close judgement calls takes time and seems to be reserved for those few with a proven track record of winning.
Every time you see a coach get a T as said above if fires the team up and they do get calls; A perfect example was I think when we played Iowa at home last year and McCaffrey got the technical right before the half and boy was the whistle different in the second half!!!
That has nothing to do with working the refs or not being soft when your own players are getting clocked in the face.
you've got be kidding me with that last line. I've seen hundreds of games where the coaching and challenging the refs have changed the officiating.
He clearly talks to the refs during the games and it’s not like he always looks happy. Apparently he is more respectful about it than some.
There might be some situations where getting a T is actually useful but getting none of them is probably a lot better than getting too many.
There might be some situations where getting a T is actually useful but getting none of them is probably a lot better than getting too many.
Agreed fully, even if we got a favorable whistle we were not winning that game.
I just wanna see Pike get visibly pissed off for once.
The last thing you want to do to your players in the middle of a game is set an example where you make the refs the focus of the game. And some of our players are already over-sensitive to officiating in a negative way. Myles unarguably got some bad calls by the refs. It's unfair, but it happens.
I prefer Pike's approach of talking to the refs quietly (and apparently respectfully enough to avoid Ts). Sometimes getting on the refs loudly and drawing a T can help. But sometimes it can backfire too.
If I'm going to be frustrated by anything w/Pike, it's that he still hasn't gotten Myles and some other players to consistently sense and adapt to how the refs are calling the game, so as to limit the impact of whatever the refs do. And that failure is clearly hurting us.
Myles is a really smart kid and he should've known immediately, after that first bad foul call, that he needed to adapt his game some because the refs were overly focused on the play between the two bigs. Garza recognized that and did two things: he played very controlled on D and he used Myles habit of leaning on and/or putting his hands on players to draw foul calls on Myles, the third being pure ******** due to a Garza flop.
Blame the refs all you want. They made bad calls. But Garza played it smarter than Myles. And that's Myles biggest lesson for the game. Bad calls suck and can impact the game. All the players can do about it is adapt and lesson the impact.
Myles failed to do that. Hell, in the second half, Myles was STILL doing some of the stuff that could've been called but was either not seen or was let go by the refs. That's okay when you aren't already in foul trouble. But he was in foul trouble and actually got lucky in a couple situations that could've quickly sat him down with 5 fouls.
He is too important to the team's success to NOT be better at this.
I prefer Pike's approach of talking to the refs quietly (and apparently respectfully enough to avoid Ts). Sometimes getting on the refs loudly and drawing a T can help. But sometimes it can backfire too.
If I'm going to be frustrated by anything w/Pike, it's that he still hasn't gotten Myles and some other players to consistently sense and adapt to how the refs are calling the game, so as to limit the impact of whatever the refs do. And that failure is clearly hurting us.
Myles is a really smart kid and he should've known immediately, after that first bad foul call, that he needed to adapt his game some because the refs were overly focused on the play between the two bigs. Garza recognized that and did two things: he played very controlled on D and he used Myles habit of leaning on and/or putting his hands on players to draw foul calls on Myles, the third being pure ******** due to a Garza flop.
Blame the refs all you want. They made bad calls. But Garza played it smarter than Myles. And that's Myles biggest lesson for the game. Bad calls suck and can impact the game. All the players can do about it is adapt and lesson the impact.
Myles failed to do that. Hell, in the second half, Myles was STILL doing some of the stuff that could've been called but was either not seen or was let go by the refs. That's okay when you aren't already in foul trouble. But he was in foul trouble and actually got lucky in a couple situations that could've quickly sat him down with 5 fouls.
He is too important to the team's success to NOT be better at this.
And my rebuttal is let's put 2 fouls on Garza in seconds and see how they fare. Yes, I know we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but officiating has such a destructive impact on basketball games due to the power of the whistle (i.e. fouls) it's nauseating.
PSU coach gets a T and criticizes B1G refs and gets fined....and next few games PSU gets benefits of less fouls, turns the season around and starts winning games.
Pike should have went ballistic after first Myles foul. Then maybe he doesn't get nickel and dimer on Garza flop. Myles deserves calls too. Ridiculous that we had one foul shot in 2nd half? Mathis gets mugged every time he drives. Fire team up! Protect players!
Yes we shot poorly but Iowa shot 16 for 20 from the line. RU shot 4 for 6. Two top 25 teams. Do the math! A 12 point discrepancy. Iowa won by 13! Hard to overlook.
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"If I'm going to be frustrated by anything w/Pike, it's that he still hasn't gotten Myles and some other players to consistently sense and adapt to how the refs are calling the game, so as to limit the impact of whatever the refs do. And that failure is clearly hurting us."
Can somebody link up a video to the first foul call when the game was on split-screen. Looked completely bogus to me. I appreciate your point, but Myles would have had two seconds to adjust to how the refs were calling the game last night.
PS: Meanwhile your opposing center gets to throw blatant elbows the rest of the game and have the recipient of said elbows get the foul. I mean I'd be ticked too.
Can somebody link up a video to the first foul call when the game was on split-screen. Looked completely bogus to me. I appreciate your point, but Myles would have had two seconds to adjust to how the refs were calling the game last night.
PS: Meanwhile your opposing center gets to throw blatant elbows the rest of the game and have the recipient of said elbows get the foul. I mean I'd be ticked too.
As to MJs first foul disallowing a put back: The guy guardingMyles under the basket was way shorter than Myles. Myles push d off but it’s nothing you won’t see dozens of times a game w no whistle. Ref decided otherwise.
You have no freaking idea what you're talking about and have obviously not watched Pikiell up close in person in a real game. I will say this though, this staff has got to do something about Johnson's body language. The way he looks like he's given up when he picks up a foul or two has to rub off on everyone else. It rubs off on me, I can tell you that because every time he gets a foul now I figure the game is over.
Thanks. I'm a big fan of focusing on what can be controlled. We can't control the refs, nobody can. We can only control how we adapt to them and try to win that battle like Garza did last night.
I suspect the Iowa coaching staff did two things: (1) worked with Garza to draw the refs attention to contact, and then take advantage of Myles tendency to put his hands on the man he's guarding, and (2) maybe casually talked a bit to the refs before the game, mentioning that in the last game against us, Myles was using his hands to push Garza around all game (which isn't necessarily true, but will stick in the heads of the officials) and could they please keep an eye out for it.
I don't think Pike should be ranting at the refs because I think it's more often unproductive than helpful. But I do think he should be coaching the players and gaming the officiating the way I described above. For all I know, maybe Pike is doing that already and Myles is just not adapting quickly enough.
Can't let your player take a blatant elbow to the face and let him take the foul. That's my problem with yesterday.
I mean it's so egregiously bad, something has to be done.
I mean it's so egregiously bad, something has to be done.
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after one of the BS calls, the radio crew said Pike was fired up going after the ref and you can't see how Pike is reacting on TV.
Pretty sure it was the Mathis charge on Garza when Garza jumped up and Mathis banged into him. Garza hit the ground like he was 160 pounds and Mathis was the 265 player. It was a joke.
Pretty sure it was the Mathis charge on Garza when Garza jumped up and Mathis banged into him. Garza hit the ground like he was 160 pounds and Mathis was the 265 player. It was a joke.
You're not understanding what I wrote at all. Until the first foul on Myles, which we can all agree was ********, nobody knew just how focused the refs were on the bigs. But immediately AFTER that, Pike and Myles knew and Myles should've instantly adopted a much more controlled approach to D on Garza, leaving some space and letting Garza initiate contact, at least for 5 minutes or so. And Myles did not do that.
And Garza didn't "throw elbows" the rest of the game, or at least no more so than any bigs. The first elbow contact with PM was clearly incidental and happened as a result of PM being tripped by another Iowa player (a foul that the refs called on Iowa).
The second elbows contact with PM was more questionable as to whether PM invaded the cylinder or not (I thought he didn't but the refs clearly thought he did). But even if PM didn't invade the cylinder, it wasn't "throwing an elbow". It was the exact same rotational move big players do constantly when shifting the ball from one side to the other up high. They are ALL taught to do it exactly that same way and if a defender gets his head too close, he's gonna catch an elbow sometimes. Anybody who has played basketball and played hard on D has gotten caught that way now and then.
But even if he did it intentionally, and even if the refs were allowing Garza to do everything and disallowing RU to do anything, is your solution to the problem that our players sit on the floor and cry about it, the way you're doing now? Because surely the players weeping over the unfairness of it all would have helped us win the game, amirite?
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how was not that reviewed? They spent 5 minutes reviewing the play where weiscamp pulled mathis down on top of him (in between foul shots no less).....IMO that play alone proved the utter incompetence of the crew last night.
I remember the TV crew saying Pike was pissed when Myles drew his 3rd foul which was pretty obviously a flop by Garza. Pike was immediately up and in the ear of the ref after that.
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ya you're correct. Garza this big *** dude sure gets knocked down a lot. lol but the refs buy it.
Amen.
Admittedly I missed most of the first half due to IND/NW and then got so annoyed with the box itself (i.e. Myles fouls), I don't even know anything about the Weiscamp play you are referring to. Then in the second half when I finally found the stomach to turn it on, I mean no more than 3 seconds after I do, I see PM take a swinging elbow from Garza and they give PM the foul. Jokers (refs) then proceed to do nothing, Garza gets an immediate 3 for his efforts, and I see Pike with his arms folded on the sideline.
That's almost always true of every game. We could have won that game despite some bad calls by the refs. But we couldn't win it with the TOs, the abysmal FT and 3-point shooting combined with Wieskamp being unstoppable from beyond the arc.
We played really good D on some series, high energy in their face, and then Wieskamp drains a 3 with Harper right there in his face. And some other Iowa players drained some other key 3 pointers at key times for them, halting our efforts to claw our way back into it.
I will say, though, that for the most part, our team never gave up and fought like hell. The effort and desire was there. We just got beat by a team that clearly outperformed us.
I definitely believe Iowa was prepared to take advantage of Myles pushing off. Definitely embellished, but fouls 2 and 3 were legit and had to be called.
Did you mean that our radio crew saw something? Exactly how did the radio crew see something we did not? They were watching and doing the game from SHI Stadium on tv, just like we were watching at home.
Best of Luck,
Groz
The refs are imperfect. The question is, do we want to be victimized by it? Or do we want to get better at taking advantage of it, the way Garza and Iowa did last night?
If I'm Pike, my takeaway isn't "the refs were unfair" because that's defeatist thinking; it's a victim mentality. My takeaway is that I, as coach, need to work even harder to emulate how Garza and Iowa were able to win the battle of gaming the officiating by addressing what we can control and not getting mired in self-pity for what we cannot control. And then do a better job of coaching that with my players so that RU stops being victimized and starts victimizing the other team.
As I said earlier, maybe Pike's already doing this. But if so, he needs to do even more.
Incidentally, after the game, Garza made a point to go find Pike and fist-bump him. And then they chatted, apparently very respectfully, all the way out of the arena.
I think foul 3 was not so legit. It was less of a push-off and more of a situation where Myles had his hands all over Garza and, as Garza threw himself forward, Myles reached out to maintain the contact - a purely natural thing to do. In real-time, that looked very much like Myles shoved Garza. But in slow motion, it was pretty clear that Garza initiated his own forward movement and Myles hand contact was largely incidental.
I thought it was a ******** call and the TV announcers hinted that they thought so too (they said Garza "sold it really well"). Credit to Garza: it was an extremely well-executed flop.
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they had a different feed. they made a couple mistakes during the game....a couple of times they saw a make or a miss a couple seconds before their feed they were commenting on.....idk it was strange. Because their feed also had no replays. So idk it could have showed more or maybe a wide shot of the entire court as opposed to the half court zoom TV shows us. They absolutely made the comment and I didn't see anything, so something was different. They at times were watching a Fox app on a phone for replays of fouls.
This! PM got a fing elbow straight to the face and then to add injury to insult the Ref called a foul on him. Review it at the least especially if they’re going to review that bs play where Iowa went down with Mathis I believe. I respect Coach P and bitching at the ref does do something. It could help your team or it can hurt your team. Not getting a T has been the preferred option for Coach Pike but there has to be a limit to plays aside from the BS calls on Myles and Mathis getting obliterated to the hoop but the elbow to PM’s face and then the foul being called on him has to be where the line drawn. I don’t condone violence but at some point a RU player is going to lay someone the F out and a player like Garza is a good candidate.
GO RU