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zappaa

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In their last 4 has lost to #4, #6, beat MSU and lost to Indiana on the road.
Hardly a sequence worth completely melting down about, and wanting the coach fired.
I’m hoping Iowa feels the need to play with desperation and a sense of urgency...that’s a recipe to do nothing but tire yourself out and continued frustration.
 

RUich

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I think we need to rotate Myles, Cliff and Duke a lot in the early part of the game to try and neutralize Garza.
We also need one of those bursts of energy and scoring that we have seen this team do.
If we can keep out of foul trouble and get some solid scoring early, I think we take the starch out of them and win the game.
Way past the time for Harper to do something.
 

RUJMM78

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I think we need to rotate Myles, Cliff and Duke a lot in the early part of the game to try and neutralize Garza.
We also need one of those bursts of energy and scoring that we have seen this team do.
If we can keep out of foul trouble and get some solid scoring early, I think we take the starch out of them and win the game.
Way past the time for Harper to do something.
You are right.Staying out of foul trouble at the center position and scoring that totals over 70 points will give Rutgers a chance of winning.The problem is that Iowa is overdue for a offensive explosion scoring over 80 points.
 

superfan01

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to me this is a 50/50 game for RU. Play well we can win, stink it up or get into foul trouble we will lose.
my big worry is Myles getting into foul trouble. I don’t think cliff can match up against their bugs for sustained amount of time. Need Myles on the floor for many minutes
 
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RUSCFORMERLYRULOU

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In their last 4 has lost to #4, #6, beat MSU and lost to Indiana on the road.
Hardly a sequence worth completely melting down about, and wanting the coach fired.
I’m hoping Iowa feels the need to play with desperation and a sense of urgency...that’s a recipe to do nothing but tire yourself out and continued frustration.
Uh, that’s one way to look at it. Desperation and urgency can also get you playing hard and focused
 

DirtyRU

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to me this is a 50/50 game for RU. Play well we can win, stink it up or get into foul trouble we will lose.
my big worry is Myles getting into foul trouble. I don’t think cliff can match up against their bugs for sustained amount of time. Need Myles on the floor for many minutes
 
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richthedentist

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I think we need to rotate Myles, Cliff and Duke a lot in the early part of the game to try and neutralize Garza.
We also need one of those bursts of energy and scoring that we have seen this team do.
If we can keep out of foul trouble and get some solid scoring early, I think we take the starch out of them and win the game.
Way past the time for Harper to do something.
The ONLY way Duke plays is if Myles and Cliff both pick up 2 fouls in the first half other than that he doesn't see the floor at all
 
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mildone_rivals

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The key to winning, besides great D and rebounding, is feeding the post. Myles was scoring when fed last game. Harper can be fed and either pivot to the hoop or do his fade away jumper near the free throw line. Both things collapse the D freeing up others for outside shots. And feeding Myles might get Garza in foul trouble.

The post players can push it back outside. They don’t have to shoot. But when we feed the post, it opens up the game for us.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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Do not start Myles... Our history with Iowa says they are going to get a bunch of calls.. especially if we see Borosky out there. Last year we protected Myles from being targeted early by not starting him.
 

hiwater

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Do not start Myles... Our history with Iowa says they are going to get a bunch of calls.. especially if we see Borosky out there. Last year we protected Myles from being targeted early by not starting him.
So we can get off to a slow start like we did in 4 of the 5 straight losses? No thanks. We go with what's been working lately. It would not be good to mess with that now. Myles has not been getting called for just playing defense lately. Maybe he is getting a little more respect from the refs now. Either way, you do not go into this game playing scared to defend,
 
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RUChoppin

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The key to winning, besides great D and rebounding, is feeding the post. Myles was scoring when fed last game. Harper can be fed and either pivot to the hoop or do his fade away jumper near the free throw line. Both things collapse the D freeing up others for outside shots. And feeding Myles might get Garza in foul trouble.

The post players can push it back outside. They don’t have to shoot. But when we feed the post, it opens up the game for us.

Completely agree. Garza may not get in foul trouble, but he definitely won't if we don't force him to defend in the post. And if their zone collapses down on Johnson, that opens up shooters on the outside. Getting Johnson touches down low is going to be key.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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Completely agree. Garza may not get in foul trouble, but he definitely won't if we don't force him to defend in the post. And if their zone collapses down on Johnson, that opens up shooters on the outside. Getting Johnson touches down low is going to be key.

This is exactly correct....Garza sat for almost 8 minutes of the 1st half at Indiana and Iowa had a lead of around 8 to 10 points before he sat.....Indiana closed the half on a 10 or 12-2 run to take a lead.

Jackson-Davis and Race Thompsons offense from Indiana forced Garza to defend and work and while he could have played after getting 2 fouls, Iowa relied on their bench to sustain the lead......

If Myles gets the ball early, it will set the tone for how RU wants to play offense.....too many RU fans are looking at it, as what could go wrong for Myles if he gets in foul trouble, when it should be, what happens to Iowa if Garza gets in foul trouble.

RU has the post player in Myles to battle Garza....we aren't asking Myles to match basket for basket with Garza, but it only takes one foul drawn in each half to take away the aggressive play of Garza.

There is more than one way for RU to win this game, even if Garza gets his normal 24 to 26 points. But I don't see RU winning unless our bigs (Myles and Cliff etc) get a combined 15 to 20 points and 15+ rebounds.
 

zappaa

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This is exactly correct....Garza sat for almost 8 minutes of the 1st half at Indiana and Iowa had a lead of around 8 to 10 points before he sat.....Indiana closed the half on a 10 or 12-2 run to take a lead.

Jackson-Davis and Race Thompsons offense from Indiana forced Garza to defend and work and while he could have played after getting 2 fouls, Iowa relied on their bench to sustain the lead......

If Myles gets the ball early, it will set the tone for how RU wants to play offense.....too many RU fans are looking at it, as what could go wrong for Myles if he gets in foul trouble, when it should be, what happens to Iowa if Garza gets in foul trouble.

RU has the post player in Myles to battle Garza....we aren't asking Myles to match basket for basket with Garza, but it only takes one foul drawn in each half to take away the aggressive play of Garza.

There is more than one way for RU to win this game, even if Garza gets his normal 24 to 26 points. But I don't see RU winning unless our bigs (Myles and Cliff etc) get a combined 15 to 20 points and 15+ rebounds.
Hawk
How much does getting the ball into Myles forcing Garza and Nunge to play him, open up lanes to the basket for JY and Geo?
 

BillyC80

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If Fredrick plays, it could be good or bad for RU. It all depends on how quickly the Iowa team and coaches adjust to having him back on the floor, and it also depends on how much rust he may have to shake off before being completely effective.

For now I’ll consider his return a net neutral, and just say that the outcome of this game, like most, will depend more on how RU plays versus how the other guys play.
 

zappaa

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If Fredrick plays, it could be good or bad for RU. It all depends on how quickly the Iowa team and coaches adjust to having him back on the floor, and it also depends on how much rust he may have to shake off before being completely effective.

For now I’ll consider his return a net neutral, and just say that the outcome of this game, like most, will depend more on how RU plays versus how the other guys play.
Does Nunge dominate or completely outplay Cliff?
Big factor imo?
We need Cliff to have respectable plus/minus
 

rufeelinit

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Does Nunge dominate or completely outplay Cliff?
Big factor imo?
We need Cliff to have respectable plus/minus

Don't they play Nunge and Garcia as a tandem as well as subbing for each other at the 5? Both can also play on the perimeter particularly Nunge. I will take my chances with Garza shooting threes rather than on the blocks. On BTN last night it did sound like Frederick's return was imminent. Hey we need to probably play better than any other game during the streak to get a W tomorrow night.

If we can minimize the Cliff on Garza time I think we might be able to withstand his match up with Nunge. He will outscore him for sure but hopefully get rebounds and stop dribble drives.
 

mildone_rivals

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I had to laugh at this highlighted statement from that preview:

"General rule: If you watch a basketball game and all you know how to do is ***** about refs, maybe just shut up and learn something first. "

I was initially predisposed to disagreeing, in part, with that quote. Because, sometimes, people who know a little about basketball ***** about the refs too. But the quote intentionally limits it's scope to people whose only contribution is bitching about refs. So I guess it's actually a pretty apt statement.

Like it or not, refs are part of the game and the players need to: (a) quickly determine how the refs are calling the game, which sometimes changes over the course of the game, and then play as hard as possible, but no harder, within that constraint, (b) avoid prideful and pointless fouls, and (c) give zero thought to the refs beyond those prior two things.

For a player, doing the above is all that is within their control. And part of what makes great players so great is they learn early on to do those things so well that it goes virtually unnoticed except by jealous fans (of other teams) who point at the player and claim the refs always let that player get away with things.

As for us fans, it doesn't matter in the slightest what we do. We can ***** about perceived bad calls or not; it will have exactly zero impact on the outcome. Is kind of like bitching about the weather in that way. I don't personally see the point in it - I would think it would make me feel even worse to do it. But each to their own.
 

mildone_rivals

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Do not start Myles... Our history with Iowa says they are going to get a bunch of calls.. especially if we see Borosky out there. Last year we protected Myles from being targeted early by not starting him.
For me, as coach, this would be a tough call.

I totally get what you're saying and from what I recall, not starting him has had the benefit you're talking about in the past. So there is some precedent there to consider.

However, I'd be a little wary of messing with something that has been working well the past few games. We've had really good starts to our games the past few games, jumping out to early leads with the latest iteration of the starting lineup. And IIRC, Myles has been part of that starting five. And he's also been avoiding foul trouble in those games, for the most part.

Another thing w/subbing that we've all noticed is that when Pike subs in Young, Cliff and Mathis at the same time, we've had a substantial drop-off and given up a lot of the early leads we've built up with the starting five.

So I think I'd start the same starting five as the past couple/few games, but then sub out individual players based on how the players to be subbed are playing. If all else is equal, I'd sub Cliff in for Myles first, and relatively early - let Cliff play with the starters which should help make Cliff more productive. In particular, Mulcahy has been good at getting Cliff the ball where he can score.

Young is a key to this game. The past few games, he's been playing with too much ego at times, trying to force things. He needs to do the things that make the other four players on the court better first. Feed the post instead of trying to split two defenders with the dibble. That will pull whoever's guarding him off a bit to help defend the post and open things up for him so he can really shine.
 

mildone_rivals

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a win over Iowa tomorrow can all but cement a NCAA tourney spot.
Yeah, I think you’re right.

But I really hope the players aren’t thinking about that at all. I hope they’re focused entirely on what they need to do to win with no thought given to rankings or the tournament. It’s hard to overstate the value in that kind of single-game laser focus for players.

The way the team reacted to being ranked so high earlier in the season, especially after losing the OSU game, has me a bit worried. We melted down and it took time for them to regain their focus.

We fans can have fun thinking ahead. The players have to try to avoid that thinking as much as possible until the season’s over.
 

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Cliff didn't play in the first game and Caleb only played around 10 minutes, and it was a 2 point loss. We're a different team. However, we're on the road and I think Iowa sees it as a more important game than we do, so I'm not too hopeful for this one. Insofar as who starts, you don't mess with the starting line-up and they're each going to have to put in some significant minutes, unless JY and Mathis come through.
 
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RUChoppin

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As for us fans, it doesn't matter in the slightest what we do. We can ***** about perceived bad calls or not; it will have exactly zero impact on the outcome. Is kind of like bitching about the weather in that way. I don't personally see the point in it - I would think it would make me feel even worse to do it. But each to their own.

Yeah, I mean, who talks about the impact of bad weather? lol
 

CERU00

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I had to laugh at this highlighted statement from that preview:

"General rule: If you watch a basketball game and all you know how to do is ***** about refs, maybe just shut up and learn something first. "

I was initially predisposed to disagreeing, in part, with that quote. Because, sometimes, people who know a little about basketball ***** about the refs too. But the quote intentionally limits it's scope to people whose only contribution is bitching about refs. So I guess it's actually a pretty apt statement.

Like it or not, refs are part of the game and the players need to: (a) quickly determine how the refs are calling the game, which sometimes changes over the course of the game, and then play as hard as possible, but no harder, within that constraint, (b) avoid prideful and pointless fouls, and (c) give zero thought to the refs beyond those prior two things.

For a player, doing the above is all that is within their control. And part of what makes great players so great is they learn early on to do those things so well that it goes virtually unnoticed except by jealous fans (of other teams) who point at the player and claim the refs always let that player get away with things.

As for us fans, it doesn't matter in the slightest what we do. We can ***** about perceived bad calls or not; it will have exactly zero impact on the outcome. Is kind of like bitching about the weather in that way. I don't personally see the point in it - I would think it would make me feel even worse to do it. But each to their own.
If you took anyone in the world who was unfamiliar with basketball and had them watch a few of our games, they would be unable to define what a foul is- aside from the intentional fouls. The calls or lack of calls varies so much that there is no way to predict what is a foul most of the time. That is sad and this sport suffers for it.
 

RUChoppin

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Taking a look back at our last matchup vs. Iowa on 1/2:

Omoruyi - out with knee sprain
Harper - first game back after missing a game with an ankle injury
McConnell - first game back in uniform after long layoff from back injury
Young - 2nd game off of landing hard on his side/hip vs. OSU on 12/23
Baker - second game back in the starting lineup after his early ankle injury
Reiber - was backup to Johnson and picked up 4 PFs in 10 minutes
Mulcahy - had to deal with foul trouble with 4 PFs in 20 minutes

We're a different team on 2/9 than we were on 1/2. Feel pretty good going into this one - hopefully Harper can get back on track and we can come out with a W.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Taking a look back at our last matchup vs. Iowa on 1/2:

Omoruyi - out with knee sprain
Harper - first game back after missing a game with an ankle injury
McConnell - first game back in uniform after long layoff from back injury
Young - 2nd game off of landing hard on his side/hip vs. OSU on 12/23
Baker - second game back in the starting lineup after his early ankle injury
Reiber - was backup to Johnson and picked up 4 PFs in 10 minutes
Mulcahy - had to deal with foul trouble with 4 PFs in 20 minutes

We're a different team on 2/9 than we were on 1/2. Feel pretty good going into this one - hopefully Harper can get back on track and we can come out with a W.

Agree with all of this but to be fair, Reiber picking up those fouls was the trade off for not letting Garza and company go off in the post with MJ on the bench. Cliff has looked completely lost on defense. I’m not sure he’s going to be much of an upgrade based on how he’s looked recently against worse offensive front courts.
 
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mildone_rivals

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If you took anyone in the world who was unfamiliar with basketball and had them watch a few of our games, they would be unable to define what a foul is- aside from the intentional fouls. The calls or lack of calls varies so much that there is no way to predict what is a foul most of the time. That is sad and this sport suffers for it.
The imperfectly human, and therefore varying and inconsistent, application of the rules by the refs is part of the game for all teams. Always has been. Always will be.

Thing is, even if we eliminate officials entirely, human nature will cause lots of people to feel the officiating is unfair. Because everybody's perspective is always inescapably skewed by their biases. People usually see what they want to see.

If, in 25 years, human officials are eliminated and games are officiated by thousands of sensors whose data is fed to AI officiating software with a proven 99.9999% consistency, human nature will still result in people disputing the fairness of it. People will argue that the software was hacked or has a bug or whatever. It's what we (humans) do.
 

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This is exactly correct....Garza sat for almost 8 minutes of the 1st half at Indiana and Iowa had a lead of around 8 to 10 points before he sat.....Indiana closed the half on a 10 or 12-2 run to take a lead.

Jackson-Davis and Race Thompsons offense from Indiana forced Garza to defend and work and while he could have played after getting 2 fouls, Iowa relied on their bench to sustain the lead......

If Myles gets the ball early, it will set the tone for how RU wants to play offense.....too many RU fans are looking at it, as what could go wrong for Myles if he gets in foul trouble, when it should be, what happens to Iowa if Garza gets in foul trouble.

RU has the post player in Myles to battle Garza....we aren't asking Myles to match basket for basket with Garza, but it only takes one foul drawn in each half to take away the aggressive play of Garza.

There is more than one way for RU to win this game, even if Garza gets his normal 24 to 26 points. But I don't see RU winning unless our bigs (Myles and Cliff etc) get a combined 15 to 20 points and 15+ rebounds.
Fran auto sits guys with 2 fouls in first half

Kenpom verifies

 
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RUsojo

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Our new lineup will be tested defensively for the first time. Interested to see how pike distributes his guard minutes.
 

BillyC80

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Does Nunge dominate or completely outplay Cliff?
Big factor imo?
We need Cliff to have respectable plus/minus
If I’m Pike I’m telling Cliff to defend his *** off — move his feet on D, body up to your man with your elbows bent and hands up, box out and aggressively go for rebounds — and do not worry so much about calling for the ball on offense.

If he gives us 10 minutes, 3 fouls and four rebounds while giving Myles a blow and keeping him out of foul trouble, then I consider that a net positive from Cliff.