Frustration with Coaching Staff

[RU677381]

No one can deny that Pikiell has righted the program over the past several years. That being said, some of what is happening on the court
is directly attributable to the staff not seeing the proberbial forest for the trees. A few for instances......

1. Yes, Cliff's development has been hindered by not playing in the out of conference schedule. That being said, a good portion of his fouls
are committed when he is already beaten by his man. He was able to recover in high school because his phyiscality and speed were able to
allow him to "catch up." In college ball, he is no longer the most physical and athletic on the court.
2. We all know that Jacob can score in clips. We also know that when he puts his head down and is determined to score, whether by driving
through the lane or throwing up a three, his selfish play throws team strategy to the winds.
3. How many times have we seen Mathis put his head down and drive through the lane even if guys are open?

These types of play occur every game and ending up costing us either in missed opportunities, turnovers, needless fouls.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Here we go again. My head hurts whenever I read crap.

 

[RU89]

No one can deny that Pikiell has righted the program over the past several years. That being said, some of what is happening on the court
is directly attributable to the staff not seeing the proberbial forest for the trees. A few for instances......

1. Yes, Cliff's development has been hindered by not playing in the out of conference schedule. That being said, a good portion of his fouls
are committed when he is already beaten by his man. He was able to recover in high school because his phyiscality and speed were able to
allow him to "catch up." In college ball, he is no longer the most physical and athletic on the court.
2. We all know that Jacob can score in clips. We also know that when he puts his head down and is determined to score, whether by driving
through the lane or throwing up a three, his selfish play throws team strategy to the winds.
3. How many times have we seen Mathis put his head down and drive through the lane even if guys are open?

These types of play occur every game and ending up costing us either in missed opportunities, turnovers, needless fouls.

ok

 

[RU677381]

Here we go again. My head hurts whenever I read crap.

Fair enough. You tell me what is not true about what is written. Does Omoruyi make needless fouls? Does Jacob lose sight of the overall strategy? Does Mathis drive down the lane no matter how many defenders are in his way?

Stephen Bardo has commented on the last point several times. I guess his observation is "crap" also!

 

[ScarletDave]

If you believe the coaches aren’t doing as good a job as you think you can why don’t you send in your application to Hobbs?

 

[zappaa]

Fair enough. You tell me what is not true about what is written. Does Omoruyi make needless fouls? Does Jacob lose sight of the overall strategy? Does Mathis drive down the lane no matter how many defenders are in his way?

Stephen Bardo has commented on the last point several times. I guess his observation is "crap" also!

I think they are saying Pike and staff probably work diligently every day at practice in an attempt to at least drastically cut down on those occurrences.
Starters have changed, minutes have been cut

 

[ru66]

Stop the lunacy

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

There’s no denying the turnover bug has come back for Jacob and is not looking for others as much. But the correction has been made - he’s coming off the bench. And he made some big buckets last night.
Agree with poster a million percent on Cliff. Injury or no injury, he’s been a disappointment for such a highly touted prospect in many ways. I’m not giving up on him, but it’s not blasphemy to say he’s been a disappointment. Everyone expected more and you are lying if you say so otherwise.

 

[brad1218]

The only mistake pike made was leaving Johnson in with 3 fouls. That was dumb.

 

[hinson32]

These type of things occur with every team that has ever played the game. Even John Wooden’s teams made mistakes. Relax and enjoy the continued rise of RU. We are a legitimate program right now. Not a team, but a program. Enjoy it.

 

[RAC’emUp]

The only mistake pike made was leaving Johnson in with 3 fouls. That was dumb.

It was a conscious choice that can be argued either way. He did not foul out, did he? So it’s really just about when you want to use his minutes, earlier or later. Up until maybe 1990 or so coaches left players in in the first half until they got their 3rd. You could argue these decisions all night but one or the other is not necessarily “dumb”.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Think he was showing some faith in Myles there. Might pay off down the road.

 

[RUenvsci]

You play with what you have. So if you take Cliff out, who is supposed to replace him as the backup? Reiber? Maybe he’s less ready than Cliff right now. Duke? Cliff needs coaching but you can only expect so much at this point in his career.... I’d rather have him than not have him!

 

[RURM85]

This is what we get a morning after a Big Ten win? Players develop at different paces through multiple years of working on their skills. Would you throw away the skills that Jacob Young brings to the team because you think he's selfish. If it wasn't for Young last night, we don't beat Northwestern. His speed to drive to the rim, opens up quality outside looks for other players. The OP's post is indeed crappy, especially the timing of it.

 

[richthedentist]

It was a conscious choice that can be argued either way. He did not foul out, did he? So it’s really just about when you want to use his minutes, earlier or later. Up until maybe 1990 or so coaches left players in in the first half until they got their 3rd. You could argue these decisions all night but one or the other is not necessarily “dumb”.

He didn’t foul out but when he came back in with 4 fouls he was useless as he just let his man score and didn’t even grab a rebound so yes it was a terrible mistake by Pikell

 

[bethlehemfan]

This is what we get a morning after a Big Ten win? Players develop at different paces through multiple years of working on their skills. Would you throw away the skills that Jacob Young brings to the team because you think he's selfish. If it wasn't for Young last night, we don't beat Northwestern. His speed to drive to the rim, opens up quality outside looks for other players. The OP's post is indeed crappy, especially the timing of it.

People think you just tell a kid something and things can change almost immediately. It doesn’t work that way. It takes time and experience and good coaching a long the way to develop kids.

 

[zappaa]

I do think it’s ridiculous to criticize hard core caring fans who make critical observations.
I’d like to see a concerted effort by Coach Pike to limit Tez and Jacob on the floor together at the same time, for obvious reasons
No I don’t want to be the coach!!!!

 

[kcg88]

Cliff Omoruyi was already raw, he didn't even play basketball until he was 14. Throw in a pandemic, and then throw in a sprained knee, and I'm not even remotely surprised with his lack of development. Wouldn't throw that on Pikiell.

 

[RAC’emUp]

He didn’t foul out but when he came back in with 4 fouls he was useless as he just let his man score and didn’t even grab a rebound so yes it was a terrible mistake by Pikell

He wasn’t useless at all and the relevant question anyway is how he compares to his replacement.

 

[ancienthooper]

Definite cause for concern when Joe The Poster can see the proverbial forest for the trees, and the coaching staff can’t. I’m worried.

 

[knight82]

I think it was made well known before Cliff got here that he was raw with great potential to develop in a year or two. Don't forget they redshirted Myles his freshman year and that really helped. We can't afford to do that with Cliff. I don't think there's anything wrong with Cliff that experience, training, and development can't solve. And the missed time with the injury and the lack of preseason training and not enough OOC games also hurt.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Fair enough. You tell me what is not true about what is written. Does Omoruyi make needless fouls? Does Jacob lose sight of the overall strategy? Does Mathis drive down the lane no matter how many defenders are in his way?

Stephen Bardo has commented on the last point several times. I guess his observation is "crap" also!

Here is one, Cliffs a freshman. No big story a freshman needs work. He also missed time with knee injury which doesn’t help with development and experience.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I thought Duke should’ve gotten a few minutes in this game. In my opinion he rebounds better than Cliff.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Also for some reason the JY, Tez, Geo line up continues to be a recipe for disaster. I don’t know what the issue with it is but it seems like things go south every time we go there lately. JY out of control and Geo missing repetitive defensive assignments at the 3. They literally couldn’t score at all with Paul or Caleb in there. When they both came out - found rhythm.

I think Pike is doing a great job overall but I don’t understand why he can’t try subbing in JY and Tez one at a time. They can play together when Geo gets a rest.

 

[jrm75]

It's obvious that Cliff often hurts us when he's out there - but how does he improve? By playing and gaining experience.
And to the OP, if you didn't see improvement in Young's game from MSU to Northwestern in judgment, then what game were you watching? and maybe that had something to do with coaching?

 

[RUsojo]

Complaining about Young turnovers after a game he had the second best TOV% of the team and lead the team in scoring on 60% shooting....smh

@RU677381 @PSAL_Hoops

 

[jersey07080]

you expect a big like cliff, 4 stars or not to contribute more? Everything we heard about this kid said his offense was raw. Kid is going to be a beast by his senior year. Already a decent rebounder and shot blocker.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

I'm sure Pikell and the staff are smacking their foreheads and saying, "why didn't we think of that?".

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

1. Cliff is a freshman. He is learning

2. It is a problem. Jacob is out of the starting lineup because of it. There is a real fine line between making a play and disputing the offense.

3. Mathis. See above

Mathis and young are our best defenders. When wewere in the slump defense, rebounding and effort were primary reasons.

 

[rudad02]

The only mistake pike made was leaving Johnson in with 3 fouls. That was dumb.

Yeah, have to question that one.

 

[RutgHoops]

Teams that have beaten Northwestern at NW by 8 or more:

Illinios, Iowa, Rutgers. Thats the list.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Complaining about Young turnovers after a game he had the second best TOV% of the team and lead the team in scoring on 60% shooting....smh

@RU677381 @PSAL_Hoops

I think you misunderstood. I commented about JY turnovers and defensive breaks (mostly by Geo seeming out of position defending the wing player) with one specific line up. Being that Tez only played 18 total minutes, this clearly wasn’t a line up that we stuck with for very long and JY seemed to make smart decisions otherwise throughout the game (explaining a nice looking overall stat line).

 

[zappaa]

I think you misunderstood. I commented about JY turnovers and defensive breaks (mostly by Geo seeming out of position defending the wing player) with one specific line up. Being that Tez only played 18 total minutes, this clearly wasn’t a line up that we stuck with for very long and JY seemed to make smart decisions otherwise throughout the game (explaining a nice looking overall stat line).

Incredible, seemed like Tez played 30

 

[goru7]

Yeah, have to question that one.

Clearly, that was a mistake by PIKE AND I am not sure but I thought Cliff was at the scorer’s table. On the other hand, our most valuable player And one of our smartest players, has to not have a brain lock and let the guy go. He was blocking everything the last few games and few fouls were called on him and I guess he was going to go all out for the block even though he was in bad position. So Pike made a mistake, no doubt, but Myles has to know better as well.
Curious to me that Dean was not brought in the entire second half with Myles on the bench fro 16 minutes until his sub back in at 7:38. Thought Dean could have played better defense than Cliff, rebound better , and given us a better offensive option 10 feet from the basket. Cliff is raw and you can see the potential but what I also see is he does not have good hands and drops passes as well as rebounds that he goes up for. That has been an issue and strength training in the off season is the only thing that will improve it .

 

[RUJMM78]

Rutgers has flaws like many other teams.The problem is the scoring droughts where both the offense disappears and the defense becomes foul prone .In essence its a double whammy allowing the opponent to quickly catch up.Fortunately,in the last 3 games Rutgers has been able to overcome the problems and still win .Young does play out of control at times but he still is the Rutgers most consistent double digit scorer and maybe the best 3 point shooter.Rutgers is now winning with group scoring more so than Harper and Baker being 20 point scorers.What fans have learned so far is that the B1G is a really tough league and that there is a small margin between winning and losing .Rutgers difficulty in even scoring 65 points is my biggest concern in the remaining eight league games which puts added pressure on the defense to limit fouling.

 

[rtabachk]

Here we go again. My head hurts whenever I read crap.

You're not obligated to read it.

 

[zappaa]

You're not obligated to read it.

Uses his platform here in a concerted effort to embarrass or criticize.
Even if people are obviously wrong, there’s a way to communicate it respectfully

 

[motorb54]

Cliff Omoruyi was already raw, he didn't even play basketball until he was 14. Throw in a pandemic, and then throw in a sprained knee, and I'm not even remotely surprised with his lack of development. Wouldn't throw that on Pikiell.

Stop being reasonable.
And for the OP: Did you see the stats from last night? Other than Johnson. Jacob was the only player to shoot better than 50% and a couple of those were 3s. Yes he can be out of control and some of the attempted passes to Cliff are awful. It seems the entire team sometimes with a lead will then attempt to make the spectacular pass/play when it isn't warranted.

 

[RUhobbit]

Cliff Omoruyi was already raw, he didn't even play basketball until he was 14. Throw in a pandemic, and then throw in a sprained knee, and I'm not even remotely surprised with his lack of development. Wouldn't throw that on Pikiell.

Only an idiot would.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Here is the problem. When Jacob does "young things" but scores people think he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. When Jacob does "young things" and throws it out of bounds or kicks it off his foot people want to know why he plays.

The answer is very simple. You must take the good with the bad. For the most part he is really good on defense. So you take the bad which is a turnover or two and a bad shot here and there on offense in return for a couple nice plays on offense and really good defense. Same thing with Tez. Pikiell will take really good defense vs some bone head plays on offense 100% of the time. Without a doubt Montez and Jacob have been net positives for us this year. We have 2 or 3 losses without these guys and they have yet to cost us a game.

That all being said Mathis and Jacob are the only two guys who consistently get to the rim.