Also not sure if anyone realizes this but if we can win 4 more games we will have for the first time had two consecutive years with a 500 in conference record since 1990-1991 when we did it in the A10. The last time rutgers was above 500 in conference in a single season was 2001-2002. If your frustrated now i cant believe you survived the last 30 years.
Frustration with Coaching Staff
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biggest mistake by Pikell was JY hits the 3 in the first half and was playing very well and he takes him out and we didn’t score another basket the rest of the first half. Pikell has to learn when a guy is hot you leave him in he did that to Caleb in an earlier game he was very hot and then he just substitute for them because it’s time!!
Totally agree Zap. Tez and Jacob are not complimentary pieces. They both are not happy unless they are scoring, shoot first, drive second options. And there are not enough touches to go around when they are on the court together.
Caleb is head and shoulders a much better defender than Montez. Montez is a good defensive player but not even close with Caleb plus Caleb is a much better rebounder
Agree about JY he has won us a bunch but the only game Montez won us was Purdue in our losses he has been playing out of control and just driving into the middle and getting his shot blocked numerous times and to add to that he is barely a 50% foul shooter. This is why he was taken out of the starting lineup
I don't know what people expected with Cliff. I am assuming many people did not see him play in high school. He is an athletic freak but very raw as a basketball player. I personally think he is a head of schedule. I did not think he would offer more than 5-8 meaningful minutes per game on the high end. I like the fact that he does not back down from anyone. He is playing meaningful minutes in the toughest, most physical basketball league in the country. He is going to be amazing in the coming years.
I put some of that on Johnson. He’s an upper classman who should and does know better. He has to be able to play extended minutes with 3 fouls for us to be successful.
It’s been pointed out they’re great defensive players...so there’s that
I think Jay Young would have been a great asset for Cliff. Big men were his specialty.
With apologies to those who want to run Pike out of town and hire someone like Jason Kidd (still can't believe that post LOL).......I'm quite enjoying the ride after 30 years with no NCAA tourney appearances.
Signs of a good team:
Signs of a good team:
- Being able to win ugly when not everything is clicking and the shots are not falling
- Being able to win on the road against a conference opponent
- Being able to win when one of your best players (Myles) is off the court for significant minutes with foul problems
- Being able to win when you commit 18 turnovers and shoot less than 60% from the line
No.
caleb has length that is a huge positive
Caleb shows a willingness to defend
Caleb has been very effective defensively
he doesn’t have the lateral quickness Montez has that allows him to stay in front of people.
you can make an argument there are certain players on certain days Caleb can defend better than Montez. But net net Caleb is not heads and shoulders a better defender.
montez in his career has shut down players and we have won because of his defense
This. Why do we have to use Cliff as if we were playing in the NBA All Star game and trying to win a skills contest?
KISS - keep it simple Stupid.
Caleb defends the 3 better because of his length.
Cliff is exactly what I expected. Nothing more and nothing less. Of course, it didn’t hurt that I saw him play several times in HS. With his mature body and athleticism, He was a four star based on potential, similar to Ducoure, although Ducoure is clearly not the athlete that Cliff is. Ducoure did not pan out but Cliff will.
So sick of Pike. Team only 10-6 playing majority B1G schedule. Is Eddie available to right the ship?
Plus we are playing way better on an overall basis since he returned.
Not a coincidence
Cliff would be dominating in some low-mid-major conferences. BigTen has some big strong dudes.
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I think Pike is a really good coach. A fantastic coach. Also think he is doing a brilliant job right now.
He is human, however, and will make mistakes now and then. Leaving Myles in after that 3rd foul in that game, and in that context, was a dumb mistake. I bet Pike would tell you the same thing, having reviewed the game film. Myles was visibly unfocused and needed a moment on the bench to collect himself.
I have a great idea also. Why don’t you tell me which one of my observations is wrong.I've got a great idea. Maybe you should coach the team!
Although your comments on the surface appear to be true we need to look at the underlying reasons.
1 comments on Cliff. He is a Freshman and is learning how to play in college. Let’s compare him to when Myles was a frosh.. Please explain to me what staff should do re Cliff since his play is attributable to the staff not seeing the forest for the trees
2. How many times have you heard in pre and post game reports from SP that “ we need to get to the rim and foul line more” Again please tell me other than Mathias and maybe Gio at times who else can get to the rim. Don’t think you can call his play selfish. I think he is doing exactly what staff is telling him to do. Also JY has been mentioned numerous times by SP as having a great game.
3 Mathias, as I said is the other who can drive and get to the rim, and has probably been given the green light to do so
Successfully going to the rim for a layup and / or possibly drawing a foul gives you a better chance of scoring than trying to hit open man while driving.
I have no idea what stats would be but if I had to guess both JY and MM defensive stops more than offset your comment that these types of plays occur every game and end up costing usin missed opportunities, turnovers and needless fouls
Final comment by me is if you don’t think the coaches can’t see the forest for the trees you really don’t fully comprehend how the game is played today and to call these players selfish is inaccurate
Examples.....
This observation is an OPINION which you presented as a fact. It can neither be proven right or wrong, because it is your OPINION.
I watch the games and am not sure what portion of his fouls after he is beaten, perhaps you can present some data around this statement. I can imagine that you understand the progression of most Freshman is not linear nor is generally the core strength of an 18 year old the same as an upper classmen. It's likely Pike puts O on the floor not because he "does not see the forest for the trees" but rather that O gives him the best current option to back-up and spell Myles for minutes at center - and that he has to live with freshman flaws while he further develops.
While we do know that Young is an energizer bunny type player on both Offense & D. I don't see him as a selfish player at all. He does not tend to just throw up 3's, in fact watching his play, most of his shots from behind the arc appear to be catch and shoot within the flow of the offense. He is one of the team's best players in terms of ability to penetrate cleanly into the lane and appears to have improved significantly on his ability to drive and dish or pick & pop from last year. Every player appears selfish at times, so just not buying what you are trying to sell here ......nor sure how this ties into the proposition you are making that this ties somehow into Pike's lack of effectiveness as a coach.
In case you haven't been paying attention, Mathis role has been changed from starter to reserve as well as more limited minutes in recent games as a result of his recent performance. So not sure how this fits into your "Pike forest/trees" ineptness narrative.
In summary, YOU are in fact the one who appears not to be able to see the proverbial forest for the trees.
The staff has to continually impress upon Cliff the importance of keeping out of foul trouble needlessly, that it is
better in long run to give up on a defensive play than pick up fouls when he is beaten. In high school he was able to recover because he was physically superior to 99% of the opponents. The forest in this case is that fouling when beaten is detrimental to the team.
Try listening to Steven Bardo. Every time Mathis drives to the rim he mentions that Mathis has the mind set of doing so regardless of how many guys are guarding him or how difficult the shot is. The forest in this case is that driving to the rim makes sense but not when the odds are not favorable for making the shot. How many "and ones" has he gotten? What is his percentage on driving as far as making baskets? Most importantly, how many open shots would his teammates get if he were to pass? No one guarding him has to worry that he will pass.
Your logic is underwhelming. Cutting down on turnovers and needless fouls are not mutually exclusive with making defensive plays!!!!!!!!!!
The simple truth is most here don't know what it takes to coach at the D1 level. Even coaches that have "failed" like Ash, Flood, EJ, Hill Jr, have forgotten more about the sport than any of us will ever know.
We are in great hands with Schiano, Pikiell, Goodale, etc. Let them do their thing. It works.
We are in great hands with Schiano, Pikiell, Goodale, etc. Let them do their thing. It works.
Shame you didn't take time to read my original comment. I think that the coaching staff is great. They have molded a team which is far more than the sum of its parts and at the same time have created a winning culture where none existed for ages. That being said, when players continually make the same poor decisions the blame has to go somewhere. If it is a player's fault, sit him down. That is on the coaching staff. It worked with Mathis two games ago. Why wouldn't it work again?
There's only so much a coach can do with a limited bench. At the moment, RU's depth doesn't permit benching our best players for a long time every time a player repeats a mistake.
And it's not like Pike hasn't been doing all the things a coach can do to reinforce coaching. He's been fiddling with the line-up all season long. And I see him taking players off the court after dumb mistakes (which pretty much all college kids make from time to time). I've observed the body language in the player that tells me the player knows full well why they're being taken off the court.
I have seen no evidence that Pike and crew aren't doing a great job of coaching the players. I think you (a) are missing the obvious signs of the coaching staff doing the things you want them to be doing, and (b) have unrealistic expectations that results always match effort.
If it was as easy as: the coach does the right thing and the player always responds perfectly, then you'd maybe have a point.
I don't know the answer. Did Pike make the decision to keep him in or did he not know he had 3 fouls? If it was the latter than there was a mistake with assistant coaches.
No idea why he didn't pull him out. Could be any number of things. Most likely, it was an oversight of some sort. It's possible, but I think unlikely, it was deliberate. Whatever the cause, it was a mistake and the result was Myles was totally neutered on D the rest of the game, and only in for rebounding and a little offense.
He actually had another foul right in front of the ref, after he came back in, down near the baseline, and the refs let it go (or maybe missed it).
Do I really need to send in an application to suggest the players be required to shoot foul shots for an hour and a half every day before they are allowed to attend practice?
I think this is something that fans don't actually watch closely enough but players at a HS and college level do....
If a player knows a sub pattern OR sees a guy sitting at the scorers table, if that player on the court sees or notices it, that player is more likely to try and score vs not.
I think Jacob Young is just a player that is hard-wired with a scorers mentality and if a guard is waiting to come in and he's open on the wing, he's going to shoot.
So he takes and makes a 3 and NW calls timeout....well, that's the next stoppage of play, so Young knew he was coming out of the game, whether he made 2 shots in a row or missed 2 in a row. It is unfair to the player who is at the scorers table to be called back to the bench, when that player is expected to go I'm.
It has nothing to do with "taking out a hot-hand", it is the player on the court squeezing an extra shot attempt in, before he's subbed out of the game. I don't even need to re-watch the game, I am 99% sure this happened, not just at RU games or with Young, it is a pattern of all players in HS and college, who know the rotation of 4 to 6 minutes and they are expected to be subbed in, just to stay fresh.
There are some coaches that try to avoid sending someone to the scorer table after a player commits a turnover, because that player is usually looking to see if a player is coming in to replace him...some coaches want to have kids paying close attention to the game and to be ready as soon as a stoppage happens to make a sub, just so the players on the court are not playing based on mistakes or missed or made shots only.
Well said. Mathis is much quicker, but Caleb is much longer, which is really important defending the three, so to me it's situational vs. who they're guarding as to which one is a "better" defender. They're both also pretty good rebounders, with similar stats there per minute.
No, but maybe you can tweet Pike and tell him to bench Myles due to his lack of improvement in foul shooting.