Doucoure

[zappaa]

I know he’s taking some flak, but he was hit with BS fouls also.
Until he was forced to back down himself with 4 fouls and a lot of time left, I thought he did just fine.

 

[Woody522]

Aside from his dunk and free throw. What exactly did he do fine at ?

He left guys open or got abused almost every possessions, couldn't grab a damn rebound to save his life and then after he set a pick just didn't know where to go on offense.

 

[RU05]

I thought he was OK as well.

Remember this guy was scheduled in to be a sub 5 minute a game player this season. Dudes getting all vitriolic on him are way overboard.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

You all probably thing I am nuts, but I would love to see what he could do on a football field after a couple years in the game. He looks like a sword would break on impact with him.

 

[zappaa]

Aside from his dunk and free throw. What exactly did he do fine at ?

He left guys open or got abused almost every possessions, couldn't grab a damn rebound to save his life and then after he set a pick just didn't know where to go on offense.

We played well with him in the game until he had 4 and Myles was gone.
I saw some good defense from him

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

I thought he was OK as well.

Remember this guy was scheduled in to be a sub 5 minute a game player this season. Dudes getting all vitriolic on him are way overboard.

the thing is he really just had to box out, get some rebounds, not commit stupid fouls and not lose his man. No one even cares if he scores a point. He’s been here on scholarship for three full seasons and he still can’t do that.

 

[zappaa]

the thing is he really just had to box out, get some rebounds, not commit stupid fouls and not lose his man. No one even cares if he scores a point. He’s been here on scholarship for three full seasons and he still can’t do that.

I thought he did that, he had some awful calls on him.
Don’t foul was not an option yesterday playing against a physical player like Young...you have to match him

 

[RU05]

the thing is he really just had to box out, get some rebounds, not commit stupid fouls and not lose his man. No one even cares if he scores a point. He’s been here on scholarship for three full seasons and he still can’t do that.

I could be on scholarship for a decade and I wouldn't be able to box guys out.

B1G basketball is a pretty high level.

 

[jordkap]

He had to play about 10-12 minutes more than he should have. He would have been fine playing 10 minutes

 

[zappaa]

He had to play about 10-12 minutes more than he should have. He would have been fine playing 10 minutes

And that’s what pisses me off, because the young man should have been feeling good about himself contributing to a win, but was denied by the officials

 

[Woody522]

I could be on scholarship for a decade and I wouldn't be able to box guys out.

B1G basketball is a pretty high level.

Thats the the thing. My friend who has coached some high level d1 players and has more in his program said he is a low level d1 player. He's in way over his head, just wish we could give him the axe and open a scholly

 

[zebnatto]

We played well with him in the game until he had 4 and Myles was gone.
I saw some good defense from him

I think you’re being overly generous.’

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

I could be on scholarship for a decade and I wouldn't be able to box guys out.

B1G basketball is a pretty high level.

True, but you’re not on a B1G scholarship....at least, I don’t think you are.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

He's a poor man's Souf, but with height

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

Trust me, I know about the garbage calls on Douc too. Only so much I can stomach at one time.

 

[BigRnj]

Thats the the thing. My friend who has coached some high level d1 players and has more in his program said he is a low level d1 player. He's in way over his head, just wish we could give him the axe and open a scholly

Oh so you’re not the hoops expert, your HS coach buddy is. Funny I couldn’t tell, you know, with your in-depth insight and analysis. You rip Duc like you’re a baller.

 

[RU05]

True, but you’re not on a B1G scholarship....at least, I don’t think you are.

There are plenty of 3rd string centers around the country who, if forced into big minutes against a ranked opponent, would get exposed.

 

[RU05]

Thats the the thing. My friend who has coached some high level d1 players and has more in his program said he is a low level d1 player. He's in way over his head, just wish we could give him the axe and open a scholly

Thus he is currently the 3rd string center.

I don't like this idea of "give him the ax and open a scholly" at all. If a school offers a player a scholarship, and that player accepts it, the school should honor that scholarship, no questions asked.

 

[Woody522]

Oh so you’re not the hoops expert, your HS coach buddy is. Funny I couldn’t tell, you know, with your in-depth insight and analysis. You rip Duc like you’re a baller.

I mean I've got a great eye for talent myself. But between both of us we both this he isn't suited for any sort of top 250 program

 

[rufeelinit]

I was disappointed in his performance. When he got here as a much heralded recruit 4 year ago I thought he would develop nicely. I see little difference in his ability today versus three years ago. He doesn't look fluid at all and usually earns the fouls assessed given defensive deficiencies. He certainly did not get it done on the boards. I could do without the flex after the bucket given the rarity of the event. I have been one last ones off the Duke train but after last night, I am thinking he just is not capable of giving us much.

 

[Woody522]

Thus he is currently the 3rd string center.

I don't like this idea of "give him the ax and open a scholly" at all. If a school offers a player a scholarship, and that player accepts it, the school should honor that scholarship, no questions asked.

First off, scholarships are renewed every year, its not a guaranteed 4 year or 5 year deal.

Secondly, in academic scholarships if you fall below a set standard you lose the scholarship. But according to you in athletics if you are not meeting a standard that you are expected that the school/team should just suck it up and waste the spot?

Hmmm

 

[zappaa]

I mean I've got a great eye for talent myself. But between both of us we both this he isn't suited for any sort of top 250 program

His 10 to 12 minutes yesterday would have been quite fine if Myles wasn’t completely targeted,
He would have contributed to a nice win

 

[RU05]

I could do without the flex after the bucket given the rarity of the event. I have been one last ones off the Duke train but after last night, I am thinking he just is not capable of giving us much.

I completely disagree, it was a pretty half hearted flex to start anyhow as I think he was as shocked as anybody about the dunk. The bench was all over it too.

Dudes are nitpicking like crazy.

 

[greenknight]

That had to be the most BS officiated game I've ever seen. The refs didnt F with the game RU wins by 15

 

[RU05]

First off, scholarships are renewed every year, its not a guaranteed 4 year or 5 year deal.

Secondly, in academic scholarships if you fall below a set standard you lose the scholarship. But according to you in athletics if you are not meeting a standard that you are expected that the school/team should just suck it up and waste the spot?

Hmmm

I'd be fairly upset if a player came to Rutgers had a great year then tried to upgrade to Duke the next year. I'd bet you wouldn't like that either.

It's a two way street.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

He was serviceable in the first half building a 10 pt lead with 0 from the 5s playing 4 on 5, but the more time he played, the more gassed he looked. Others had to cover for the lack of effort his last two runs, 7-15(-8) in 3:10 playing with 3, and 1-14(-13) in 4:42 playing with 4(OSU 6-6 2pt, 0-1 3pt, 2 FTs in 8 possessions vs RU 0-5 and 2 missed front end 1n1s and 1-2 FTs in our 8 possessions-Douc out). Our interior defense suffered all game with both 5s in foul trouble the remaining 28:32, tOSU shot 20-29 from 2 after opening 3-10 from 2, first 11:28 with 2 centers not in foul trouble.

 

[knight82]

And that’s what pisses me off, because the young man should have been feeling good about himself contributing to a win, but was denied by the officials

I agree with you about Doucoure. He played as well as any third string center in the Big Ten would. I challenge anyone to name me a better third string center

 

[rudad02]

I know he’s taking some flak, but he was hit with BS fouls also.
Until he was forced to back down himself with 4 fouls and a lot of time left, I thought he did just fine.

Same here.

 

[RU05]

I mean I've got a great eye for talent myself. But between both of us we both this he isn't suited for any sort of top 250 program

There are players like him on the far end of every bench of every school in the country.

 

[RU05]

I agree with you about Doucoure. He played as well as any third string center in the Big Ten would. I challenge anyone to name me a better third string center

In the minds of some every school has 13 starter quality players on their roster.

 

[Woody522]

I'd be fairly upset if a player came to Rutgers had a great year then tried to upgrade to Duke the next year. I'd bet you wouldn't like that either.

It's a two way street.

I don't understand what that has to do with what I said. If a better player wants to come in. The useless and clueless end of the bench guy with 1 year left is the easy cut

 

[rufeelinit]

I completely disagree, it was a pretty half hearted flex to start anyhow as I think he was as shocked as anybody about the dunk. The bench was all over it too.

Dudes are nitpicking like crazy.

Way to cherry pick the post to fit your agenda.

 

[RU05]

Way to cherry pick the post to fit your agenda.

Agenda? Fans are legit saying they wish we had pulled his scholarship, and some of the other stuff being said is far uglier.

As far as me "cherry picking" that point? Whatever, I think it deserves criticism.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Duke was beyond bad. Sorry.

 

[RU05]

I don't understand what that has to do with what I said. If a better player wants to come in. The useless and clueless end of the bench guy with 1 year left is the easy cut

Let's set aside the douche move of cutting a players scholarship who has one year left of school.

Who is this better player we are bringing in? A guy like Reiber? Do you think he would have defended the post any better yesterday.

You seem to have an inflated view of the quality of player who typically gets a couple minutes a game.

 

[MLBash93]

Let's set aside the douche move of cutting a players scholarship who has one year left of school.

Who is this better player we are bringing in? A guy like Reiber? Do you think he would have defended the post any better yesterday.

You seem to have an inflated view of the quality of player who typically gets a couple minutes a game.

I think what he is trying to say is that if a grad transfer wants to come in or a freshman that would garner minutes right away, at least better minutes that what Duke offers that if we need to open a scholly up that he would be the one to cut.

There may be some small to mid major guys who are looking to grad transfer and would bolster the depth next year.

Not just cut him to cut him, but if an improvement comes pikes way he's gotta consider it.

Also, if that were to happen I think he'd get his degree elsewhere or if he wants to stop with basketball then RU would allow him to finish his degree and give him some sort of academic scholarship or make some way of awarding it. I.e. medical retirement or something.

 

[zappaa]

Duke was beyond bad. Sorry.

So you don’t agree his 10 to 12 under normal conditions would have contributed to a good win?

 

[RU05]

I think what he is trying to say is that if a grad transfer wants to come in or a freshman that would garner minutes right away, at least better minutes that what Duke offers that if we need to open a scholly up that he would be the one to cut.

There may be some small to mid major guys who are looking to grad transfer and would bolster the depth next year.

Not just cut him to cut him, but if an improvement comes pikes way he's gotta consider it.

Also, if that were to happen I think he'd get his degree elsewhere or if he wants to stop with basketball then RU would allow him to finish his degree and give him some sort of academic scholarship or make some way of awarding it. I.e. medical retirement or something.

We have Cliff and Myles, do you think a quality grad transfer would have looked at Rutgers as a desirable destination?

Reiber could have been that freshman option you speak of, but as I ask above, do we think he would have defended the post any better? Cleaned up the boards any better? Personally I would have given him a look a little earlier, but I wouldn't have expected much, especially in regards to post defense.

Bottom line is, Duke is pretty much what you will find if you look at 3rd string centers around the country.

 

[Antnee79]

Notwithstanding his position on the depth chart, I believe that he is the only player on the current roster not to have shown reasonable improvement year over year under Pike and the coaching staff.

 

[MLBash93]

We have Cliff and Myles, do you think a quality grad transfer would have looked at Rutgers as a desirable destination?

Reiber could have been that freshman option you speak of, but as I ask above, do we think he would have defended the post any better? Cleaned up the boards any better? Personally I would have given him a look a little earlier, but I wouldn't have expected much, especially in regards to post defense.

Bottom line is, Duke is pretty much what you will find if you look at 3rd string centers around the country.

I agree Duke was over exposed. He's isn't cut out to play 20 min per game. He should be used (when cliff returns) in situations where we are trying to steal minutes. For example 12:25 on the clock he comes in to give myles extra rest before the under 12. That is all he can really contribute is just empty minutes.

As for a grad transfer, I wouldn't expect a top flight one, like the ones that go to Kentucky and start or any blue bloods, but I'm sure there may be a kid out there that could play 10-12 strong minutes per game and would do that here rather then play his last year at a losing mid major. You never know, I just think if the opportunity presents itself that Duke shouldn't be tin the way of getting a better player.