If they win this one, their remaining schedule looks favorable to a top 30 (Q1) finish [4-2 at worst, maybe 5-1]. We could use that bump. No question we also are pulling for MD to beat NW and I think for Wisconsin to hold off Purdue.
Illinois @ PSU - Let's go Illini!
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Rutgers fans should want Illinois to lose to provide separation between the teams in their league won/loss records.With so few games remaining its important to stay in the top 7 B1G positions because nobody knows the number of NCAA selections for the B1G Conference.
Sorry no matter what, can't root for PSU. Go Fighting Illiani.
That's not what the committee is charged with doing. We're ahead of OSU and Michigan in the standings but behind them in the NCAA pecking order. The committee is not concerned with where a team finished in its conference
two schools of thought here
a Penn State win makes our win vs them look even better
or a Illinois win makes our win vs them look better, especially should Illinois win enough to make it back to the top 30 where that win becomes Quad 1 again
a Penn State win makes our win vs them look even better
or a Illinois win makes our win vs them look better, especially should Illinois win enough to make it back to the top 30 where that win becomes Quad 1 again
I understand what you are saying but its still a hard sell to say the out of conference games should have more importance than league results.There is alot of conflicting data out there such as Penn State winning 7 straight league games and are now ranked in the top 10 nationally and at the top of the B1G.From my perspective the NCAA methodology is flawed.
I would rather keep teams behind us to stay that way....I can't see the NCAA denying us a bid if we finish 4th or 5th, for example, when every one and their brother expects the NCAA to take 8 to 11 teams.....
what, are they just going to invite everyone in the top 10 but us?
what, are they just going to invite everyone in the top 10 but us?
I'll take a Q1 road win over a PSU team that recently lost to Illinois but is still a top 15-ish team, if it means another Q1 win on the profile (and Ill's schedule sets up well for this by year end]. The lack of road wins is glaring, but a close second is limited Q1 wins [too many of our home wins are currently vs. teams just on the outside - in the 30s NET ... right now we are 2-6 in Quad 1 - that's a problem].
when everyone else in the league (save Neb and NW) has 4+ Quad 1 wins, and we only have 2 ....
That might well be the case, but the committee is going to evaluate teams a certain way and we shouldn't be naive to that. The bottom line is that we need a couple of more quad 1 wins to be truly comfortable on March 15.
No, but again, conference standing are not a criteria the committee considers. If we finish 4th or 5th, that means we've probably won at least 3 more games and we're in anyway
I'm rooting for one thing. A Rutgers victory over Michigan tomorrow night.
it is but the committee also looks at tourney teams as well. The committee is aware a win over Wisconsin or Illinois at home is more valuable than a win over Uconn, Syracuse or Iowa State which are somehow Q1 wins on the road. The NET might have to look into tweaking something because we cannot have a situation where an awful 11-15 Iowa State is a Quad 1 win
What hurts the Big 10 is how atrocious Northwestern and Nebby are.
It starts getting tough to decide who to root for in some of these situations. When in doubt, root against ped state
its tough either, Penn State could move into the top 15 from 17 which is a sub catagory that the team sheets have added...it would give RU 2 wins over top 15 schools..thats big.
But if we beat them again will they remain in the Top 15?
This is why it's so tough now. Like many of you I hate to root for anything PSU. But if I had to root for one team tonight, it would be PSU for just the reason you stated.
This just win baby that will cure all ills!
well thats the quandry we are in, can Illinois get back to the top 30...not so sure
same thing with Wisky and Purdue...both schools are just out but I think Wisky has the better shot at staying in the top 30
of course if we beat Penn State, we are dancing anyhow
That is a good point but I look at Quad 1 and 2 together in our case and we are 7-7 . Quad 1 is 1-30 at home and Quad 2 is 31-75. Since Purdue(33), Wisconsin ( 31) and Illinois ( 38) are in the 30’s , very close to, lot closer to Quad 1 than Quad 2 outer reaches at 60-75, the committee if doing a proper analysis , will consider it almost another Quad 1win as they were all Quad 1 at 1 time. Whereas if we beat Memphis (60) , UConn (70) and Iowa State (74) , the resume would not be as good. Especially since all 3 of the latter are not likely tourney teams and all three of the former are tourney teams and likely between 7-10 seeds . Plus we have SFA another likely tourney team sitting at 85 in the Net today.
Didn't know that was a sub category
To that point, if PSU wins and moves up, do they then immediately move down if we beat them and not count as a top 15 win anyway in the end?
It seems like it's one of those situations where in hindsight you end up rooting for the wrong outcome
Let's just sweep PSU
yes it gets added around this time to sort of differentiate the type of Q1 and Q2s
if we beat PSU that means we are going places so it will not matter that they are top 15
the committee definitely looks at how you did vs teams IN the field so that is why those wins are better than say Gtown who has 5 Q1 wins but yet only 2 that are of quality...smu, ok state, st johns are not wins that matter
Interesting broadcast. FS1 has both Chambers and Underwood mic’d up all game with cameras on them at all times. They’re gonna have to watch their mouths tonight.
A bit too much sensory overload for me.
A bit too much sensory overload for me.
I think their qualification for Q1 wins need to be shrunk for road wins...going to 75 is absurd..there are a slew of bad programs around this NET. Should be 50
So hard to watch this game with the coaches taking up half the screen.