What are Realistic Goals for Greg Schiano?
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I've said before the very latest a coach has to make a bowl game is 5 years, if not he should be fired. But it's not unrealistic to see it happen quite a bit sooner and I've given a good number of examples of teams with as poor records as we have doing it anywhere from 1-2 years to 5.
Also if GS is getting all he's asking for in terms of salary, assistant pool and expenditure on facilities I can see patience wearing thin sooner rather than later if results aren't seen. The the more you ask for and get the more fans want to see results quickly.
Also if GS is getting all he's asking for in terms of salary, assistant pool and expenditure on facilities I can see patience wearing thin sooner rather than later if results aren't seen. The the more you ask for and get the more fans want to see results quickly.
If by season four we are not bowling we need to start looking for another coach.
If and when it ever comes to that whatever year that is I hope the separation terms are manageable...just posted in the Morris thread about ADs not being smart about that and it's something I always rail about here...you have to plan for the possibility of things going south and not being stuck longer than you have to be.
not sure how anyone can evaluate our players. They are all put in position to fail. I can't tell how the D is when we play in prevent D the entire game. We have made terrible choices at QB and the O can't get out of the 1st gear.
First two years focus on building depth. Year 3 is when the clock starts ticking.
Year 4 (2023) opens
9/2 vs Northwestern
9/9 vs Temple
9/16 vs Va Tech
9/23 at Wisconsin
9/30 vs Ohio U
The rest of the schedule is @Iowa and the B1G East.
4 wins in September gets him an extension. 2 wins and the boosters who begged for him in 2019 need to explain why he should be given more time.
Year 4 (2023) opens
9/2 vs Northwestern
9/9 vs Temple
9/16 vs Va Tech
9/23 at Wisconsin
9/30 vs Ohio U
The rest of the schedule is @Iowa and the B1G East.
4 wins in September gets him an extension. 2 wins and the boosters who begged for him in 2019 need to explain why he should be given more time.
We would be just as bad and probably be blown out by even bigger scores if we were in the Big 12 currently.
Greg's high water mark, imo, is 7 wins...possibly an occasional 8 and an occasional WTF season. If Rutgers wants more, the 'hunt'...I kid, I kid...will be a multiple-coach effort.
We don't want too many to transfer out. Remember, we can only bring in a maximum of 25, and we don't want to leave our roster short. Hopefully the "right ones " leave.
I don’t know if the ethics at Baylor under Matt Rhule have improved, but under no circumstances do I want us to use Baylor Athletics as a role model. Their motto has been “Win at all costs, the law don’t mean nothin’” The only worse place I know of is State Penn.
Who cares what his high water mark may or may not be, to be honest that is 100% unknown right now. Totally different conference and very different resources at Rutgers.
Here is the math:
Belichik highly values Rutgers coached players.
The NFL follows whatever Bellichik does.
RU Schiano players will be at a higher premium than ever before.
More talent heading to New Brunswick so they can be a Schiano coached player..
Schiano and Rutgers in the mix for conference championship by year four.
Belichik highly values Rutgers coached players.
The NFL follows whatever Bellichik does.
RU Schiano players will be at a higher premium than ever before.
More talent heading to New Brunswick so they can be a Schiano coached player..
Schiano and Rutgers in the mix for conference championship by year four.
Year 1: 2 wins. Monmouth and Syracuse. Recruiting class has two or three 4 stars.
Year 2: 3 wins.
Year 3: 3 wins but competitive.
Year 4: 2 wins. There is always a dip in win totals from the 1st year.
Year 5: 5 wins. A break out year. We almost beat Penn State.
Year 6: 6 wins and the first bowl birth.
Year 7: 6 wins and another bowl. We don't look back, we always get 5 to 8 wins going forward.
Yes my expectations are on the low side being in this tough league and seeing the blow outs and loss record we have had over the years.
Year 2: 3 wins.
Year 3: 3 wins but competitive.
Year 4: 2 wins. There is always a dip in win totals from the 1st year.
Year 5: 5 wins. A break out year. We almost beat Penn State.
Year 6: 6 wins and the first bowl birth.
Year 7: 6 wins and another bowl. We don't look back, we always get 5 to 8 wins going forward.
Yes my expectations are on the low side being in this tough league and seeing the blow outs and loss record we have had over the years.
You start out okay but then get unrealistic as you show no consideration for dips in the progress. Even Big Ten elite teams have periodic off-seasons, and with mid-pack Big Ten teams, those off-seasons occur even more frequently.
Next year's schedule is easier than this year's but we are so behind that I don't think it matters.
That seems more realistic. Anything can happen in any given season to help or hurt our record (key injuries for us or opponents, for example). But as expectations go, I think that's pretty reasonable and accounts for the lack of depth we have to overcome.
Not sure we always get to 5 wins forever though. Because all the other Big Ten teams will also be trying to do exact the same thing which means WTF seasons will happen now and then. There are not many teams in the NCAA for whom this isn't true.
Realistic goal — restore respectability and relevance.
the projection is aspirational. You’re not going to aspire to having dips in your journey, even though it is likely.
Two wins by his fourth year. The roster would be almost all of his recruits. If we are not bowling by year 4 then it was huge expensive mistake to bring him back.
it’s actually management science, straight from business school, and is what performance reviews are based on.
Otherwise, how do you measure progress?
Rich Brooks was given a longer leash when he was at Oregon. He won 90 games in something like 18 seasons.
I think we might surprise a few people next season, at least based on our record. I am confident that Guarantano will be our QB next season, with a real HC and staff running the show. Then there's our schedule, with Monmouth, Syracuse, and Temple OOC, with our crossover games being Illinois, Purdue and Nebraska.maybe 4 wins which would create a ton of optimism going into year 2.
I agree. This team is not as bad as it's played. No doubt we don't have depth, no doubt we need more talent at every position, but there are some players on that roster who can be adequate with some coaching. Ash failed at a lot of thing, but his most exceptional failure is in the inability to develop. Very few players actually got any better in the last few years. Bringing in a good staff, with a clear vision, strategy, and scheme will serve these players well.
You wee also certain Greg was being announced last Wednesday lol! Seriously though what makes you so sure if thiss?
between the more aggressive scheme on defense, kids actually knowing their assignments, better tackling, better coaching, better technique, and better fundamentals, combined with kids who are redshirting who should be able to contribute, we should see a huge bump in performance. Get some help on both lines, and we’ll be in good shape.
Hoping Art remains. Kid has turned the corner.
If Rutgers can beat Monmouth, Syracuse and Temple next year, and add a win against Illinois, Purdue or Nebraska, Schiano will have success. Even with the current talent level, each of those games is winnable.
An optimistic prediction : a 3 to 6 win season.
An optimistic prediction : a 3 to 6 win season.
Purdue doesn't suck anymore. Nebraska kind of does.. but for how long? Even so Neb is still better than us at this point.
It is a process. There is no time limit.
I also think that RU can win 6 games next season, if the guys work hard off season and Schiano fixes up the lines. Schiano would need to hit the ground running for it to happen.
I agree especially about Art. I saw vast improvement not counting the game when he was put in late. He was firing the ball quick and accurately like a wild west gun slinger and is tough as nails.
I would think Art's gonna want to see who the next OC is before making any decisions about his future.
I think Schiano can turn around the defense next year, as it is his strength and strength of the current team. Just add a DT or two, and a decent offense and we may surprise some teams.
I feel like this thread is ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Namely, will Schiano insist upon free hookers and blow for the first 1,000 fans into the stadium on game day?
If he didn't make that part of his demands, then I think he's lost his attention to detail.
If he didn't make that part of his demands, then I think he's lost his attention to detail.
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