Greg Has "Significant" Demands

[RU4Real]

dude, it does matter what i give or do not give, this school will either commit to competing or it will not, listen I went through two decades of hoops not committed to competing, its very easy to see and yes the program can have small successes but by and large its a losing battle...same would happen with football.

The Big 10 isnt the Big East or even the ACC where solid facilities can get you a winning program. Look at the schools winning in this league. RU will not be a Ohio State or Michigan but they can be a Wisconsin or Iowa, i can guarantee you that those places put a premium in their football programs facilities. If RU aspires to be an Indiana or Illinois in this league who can a a good season here or there..fine, just do not pretend.

There is no other coach that can come in here and demand facilities be upgrade besides Schiano. Thats why this is the perfect time. You really think Lance Leopold or Bob Surace is going to do this...because those are your other choices...even Butch Jones who I like as a 2nd candidate is going to use this job as a stopover for another job. He isnt interesting in Rutgers build.

Listen we get, you loathe Schiano despite him being the only successful coach. Its almost as if you have GDS because you have had some really crazy argument as of late

"GDS"?

You need some new schtick.

I don't "loathe" Schiano. My concern is as others have stated - that for something close to $10MM/yr in salaries and, potentially, another $100MM in infrastructure commitments, we could do better. You saying "nobody will come here" isn't an appropriate counter-argument to that point.

It's really that simple.

 

[mikeru_rivals337032]

it doesn't matter if it's GS demanding it. the RU admin knows that this needs to be done...it's already in their plans. perhaps he wants those plans accelerated. any experienced big time coach is going to ask for the same things. whether it's urban, saban, leach, swinney...they'd all want the same commitment. and honestly, its not like these facilities will disappear if we have to fire greg later on. these are building blocks that the program can benefit from for many years to come.

It's not about saying it shouldn't be done, it's about him saying he may not come if we don't do it on his terms. I wouldn't mind GS coming here because he definitely can build a program from nothing (not so sure about taking us to the next level), but he is not a once in a lifetime hire that we must bend to the knee towards. If we don't hire him because of the demands, I don't think it should be seen as we are too cheap or don't want to take the program's facilities to the next level. Sorry, but GS is in no position to be asking for the moon.

 

[mikeru_rivals337032]

dude, it does matter what i give or do not give, this school will either commit to competing or it will not, listen I went through two decades of hoops not committed to competing, its very easy to see and yes the program can have small successes but by and large its a losing battle...same would happen with football.

The Big 10 isnt the Big East or even the ACC where solid facilities can get you a winning program. Look at the schools winning in this league. RU will not be a Ohio State or Michigan but they can be a Wisconsin or Iowa, i can guarantee you that those places put a premium in their football programs facilities. If RU aspires to be an Indiana or Illinois in this league who can a a good season here or there..fine, just do not pretend.

There is no other coach that can come in here and demand facilities be upgrade besides Schiano. Thats why this is the perfect time. You really think Lance Leopold or Bob Surace is going to do this...because those are your other choices...even Butch Jones who I like as a 2nd candidate is going to use this job as a stopover for another job. He isnt interesting in Rutgers build.

Listen we get, you loathe Schiano despite him being the only successful coach. Its almost as if you have GDS because you have had some really crazy argument as of late

Yes, because Schiano never used us as a stepping stone.

 

[bac2therac]

"GDS"?

You need some new schtick.

I don't "loathe" Schiano. My concern is as others have stated - that for something close to $10MM/yr in salaries and, potentially, another $100MM in infrastructure commitments, we could do better. You saying "nobody will come here" isn't an appropriate counter-argument to that point.

It's really that simple.

RU has an attendance and interest problem right now that GS can fix immediately. I do know that Greg Schiano can recruit and he can brings back even in what will be a rough year 1 and 2.

No other coach can do that.

Jones really is the only other option right now but keep dreaming you are getting anything other than a Lance Leopold or an Ivy League coach here...just because you say its true doesnt mean its going to happen..much like in 2013 and 2015 we saw what happened

 

[Upstream]

Current top 25. I bet we have better facilities, right now, than 40% of the teams listed. Certainly comparable.

The facilities argument was valid when GS first took over. It no longer is.

That's actually the more concerning aspect to me.

My fear with Greg 2.0 is he is going to try the same plan he had as Greg 1.0. When he came to Rutgers 19 years ago, he needed to elevate what was essentially a D1AA program into a BCS program. That required a lot of foundational stuff, like academic support, S&C, and major capital improvements.

But that foundational stuff currently exists at Rutgers. Greg 2.0 doesn't need to rebuild it. Greg 2.0 needs to fix recruiting, the staff, and the playbook. Yes there are some additional capital improvements needed, as Hobbs indicated in his press conference after Ash's firing. But we have most of the necessary stuff in place, and we have plans for the rest (including replacing the Bubble with a new indoor facility)

If Greg 2.0 is coming in and making demands to replace our new locker room, S&C center, and all the other improvements in the Hale Center, and immediately construct a new indoor facility then Greg 2.0 is just looking to do what was needed 19 years ago, not what is needed today. That tells me he doesn't really know what is needed, or doesn't have a plan.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

How does a guy who was desperate to get the Temple job and their facilities are among the worst in the AAC gonna now demand that Rutgers spend tens/hundreds of millions of $s to bring its facilities up to PSU, Michigan, and OSU levels? Nobody is asking him to win a national championship, just beat Maryland, Indiana, and Michigan State at least 2/3 years and we will be happy. Also, who the hell else is offering this guys a P5 job, he'll be lucky to be coaching in the MAC if this RU gig falls through.

maryland, Indiana, and Michigan State have much better facilities than we do and a much nicer campus. Now how the hell do you expect Rutgers to beat maryland, Indiana, and MSU?

 

[zappaa]

"GDS"?

You need some new schtick.

I don't "loathe" Schiano. My concern is as others have stated - that for something close to $10MM/yr in salaries and, potentially, another $100MM in infrastructure commitments, we could do better. You saying "nobody will come here" isn't an appropriate counter-argument to that point.

It's really that simple.

It’s absolutely an enormous issue.

 

[mildone_rivals]

RU has an attendance and interest problem right now that GS can fix immediately. I do know that Greg Schiano can recruit and he can brings back even in what will be a rough year 1 and 2.

No other coach can do that.

Jones really is the only other option right now but keep dreaming you are getting anything other than a Lance Leopold or an Ivy League coach here...just because you say its true doesnt mean its going to happen..much like in 2013 and 2015 we saw what happened

Attendance will initially go up. It will not stay up unless we win games. Doesn't matter who the coach is. Winning is all that matters.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

I'll preface this by saying that either side could have leaked this info to gain leverage in the negotiations and the delta isn't as far as we're all making it out to be.

But that said, what's lost on me here is how in the world did GS, Hobbs, & Brown get to a negotiating table in Columbus OH without first having some clue about what the loose parameters & deal breakers might be for each side? Did we really go into this meeting yesterday (with all the buzz & fanfare & hints that Wednesday November 6th would be the day we celebrate the history of college football and also unveil GS as the prodigal son returning) with no clue what Schiano's "significant demands" might be in advance?

 

[zappaa]

That's actually the more concerning aspect to me.

My fear with Greg 2.0 is he is going to try the same plan he had as Greg 1.0. When he came to Rutgers 19 years ago, he needed to elevate what was essentially a D1AA program into a BCS program. That required a lot of foundational stuff, like academic support, S&C, and major capital improvements.

But that foundational stuff currently exists at Rutgers. Greg 2.0 doesn't need to rebuild it. Greg 2.0 needs to fix recruiting, the staff, and the playbook. Yes there are some additional capital improvements needed, as Hobbs indicated in his press conference after Ash's firing. But we have most of the necessary stuff in place, and we have plans for the rest (including replacing the Bubble with a new indoor facility)

If Greg 2.0 is coming in and making demands to replace our new locker room, S&C center, and all the other improvements in the Hale Center, and immediately construct a new indoor facility then Greg 2.0 is just looking to do what was needed 19 years ago, not what is needed today. That tells me he does't really know what is needed, or doesn't have a plan.

GS is a lot of things to many of us.
However, unprepared or not having a plan isn’t remotely an issue.
He’s the most detail guy who ever lived.
He wants a particular toilet paper in the road hotels

 

[bac2therac]

That's actually the more concerning aspect to me.

My fear with Greg 2.0 is he is going to try the same plan he had as Greg 1.0. When he came to Rutgers 19 years ago, he needed to elevate what was essentially a D1AA program into a BCS program. That required a lot of foundational stuff, like academic support, S&C, and major capital improvements.

But that foundational stuff currently exists at Rutgers. Greg 2.0 doesn't need to rebuild it. Greg 2.0 needs to fix recruiting, the staff, and the playbook. Yes there are some additional capital improvements needed, as Hobbs indicated in his press conference after Ash's firing. But we have most of the necessary stuff in place, and we have plans for the rest (including replacing the Bubble with a new indoor facility)

If Greg 2.0 is coming in and making demands to replace our new locker room, S&C center, and all the other improvements in the Hale Center, and immediately construct a new indoor facility then Greg 2.0 is just looking to do what was needed 19 years ago, not what is needed today. That tells me he doesn't really know what is needed, or doesn't have a plan.

do you think RU has better football facilities than 50% of the conference....proof?

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

That's actually the more concerning aspect to me.

My fear with Greg 2.0 is he is going to try the same plan he had as Greg 1.0. When he came to Rutgers 19 years ago, he needed to elevate what was essentially a D1AA program into a BCS program. That required a lot of foundational stuff, like academic support, S&C, and major capital improvements.

But that foundational stuff currently exists at Rutgers. Greg 2.0 doesn't need to rebuild it. Greg 2.0 needs to fix recruiting, the staff, and the playbook. Yes there are some additional capital improvements needed, as Hobbs indicated in his press conference after Ash's firing. But we have most of the necessary stuff in place, and we have plans for the rest (including replacing the Bubble with a new indoor facility)

If Greg 2.0 is coming in and making demands to replace our new locker room, S&C center, and all the other improvements in the Hale Center, and immediately construct a new indoor facility then Greg 2.0 is just looking to do what was needed 19 years ago, not what is needed today. That tells me he doesn't really know what is needed, or doesn't have a plan.

what was accomplished years ago was what was needed to compete in the big East. Now what is needed, is to have adequate facilities in the big ten. Our competition is penn state, Maryland, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State. We need comparable facilities to compete with them. We need to beat them for our share of recruits. Otherwise, it will be very difficult to make progress.

 

[RUforlife]

maryland, Indiana, and Michigan State have much better facilities than we do and a much nicer campus. Now how the hell do you expect Rutgers to beat maryland, Indiana, and MSU?

I expect Greg to put together an outstanding staff, recruit the hell out of NJ and take 3 star kids and coach them up so that despite not having the very best facilities they kick *** on Saturday afternoon.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I'll preface this by saying that either side could have leaked this info to gain leverage in the negotiations and the delta isn't as far as we're all making it out to be.

But that said, what's lost on me here is how in the world did GS, Hobbs, & Brown get to a negotiating table in Columbus OH without first having some clue about what the loose parameters & deal breakers might be for each side? Did we really go into this meeting yesterday (with all the buzz & fanfare & hints that Wednesday November 6th would be the day we celebrate the history of college football and also unveil GS as the prodigal son returning) with no clue what Schiano's "significant demands" might be in advance?

Good point.

 

[Caliknight]

GS is a lot of things to many of us.
However, unprepared or not having a plan isn’t remotely an issue.
He’s the most detail guy who ever lived.
He wants a particular toilet paper in the road hotels

Not detailed enough to make sure the field wasn't plowed at half time while beating a much faster WVU team.

I'm not interested in toilet paper. That's intern stuff. We are in the B1G. We need a damn football coach.

 

[Letitrip]

That's actually the more concerning aspect to me.

My fear with Greg 2.0 is he is going to try the same plan he had as Greg 1.0. When he came to Rutgers 19 years ago, he needed to elevate what was essentially a D1AA program into a BCS program. That required a lot of foundational stuff, like academic support, S&C, and major capital improvements.

But that foundational stuff currently exists at Rutgers. Greg 2.0 doesn't need to rebuild it. Greg 2.0 needs to fix recruiting, the staff, and the playbook. Yes there are some additional capital improvements needed, as Hobbs indicated in his press conference after Ash's firing. But we have most of the necessary stuff in place, and we have plans for the rest (including replacing the Bubble with a new indoor facility)

If Greg 2.0 is coming in and making demands to replace our new locker room, S&C center, and all the other improvements in the Hale Center, and immediately construct a new indoor facility then Greg 2.0 is just looking to do what was needed 19 years ago, not what is needed today. That tells me he doesn't really know what is needed, or doesn't have a plan.

How in the world did you reach all these conclusions and fears with the two very reasonable requests that may have been made at the meeting? Just wow.

 

[bigmatt718]

GS is a lot of things to many of us.
However, unprepared or not having a plan isn’t remotely an issue.
He’s the most detail guy who ever lived.
He wants a particular toilet paper in the road hotels

Most detail oriented guy who ever lived is a bit of an exaggeration. I won't deny that his attention to detail is elite, however.

 

[Upstream]

SIAP, but are Hobbs and Brown still out in Ohio, or is it sit around in NJ and wait for GS's agent to call?

I would have expected them to fly back to NJ for this afternoon and evening's events

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I expect Greg to put together an outstanding staff, recruit the hell out of NJ and take 3 star kids and coach them up so that despite not having the very best facilities they kick *** on Saturday afternoon.

that’s very nice, but it’s not good enough to beat Indiana, Maryland, and Michigan State. We had 8 3 stars from Nj, in 2019, and got our butt kicked by Indiana and Maryland, and will likely lose to Michigan State big.

 

[zappaa]

I expect Greg to put together an outstanding staff, recruit the hell out of NJ and take 3 star kids and coach them up so that despite not having the very best facilities they kick *** on Saturday afternoon.

Your best post ever[cheers]

 

[Rutgers1976]

It may well be that Rutgers has to decide whether they want to be the Yankees or do they want to be the Mets?

 

[Upstream]

do you think RU has better football facilities than 50% of the conference....proof?

Rutgers has facilities that are sufficient to compete. Compared to when Schiano was first here and we didn't have adequate S&C facilities (or basketball last year when the team had to practice on the floor of the arena because there was no practice court).

Some of the facilities we have are as shiny and glittery as any in the league. And some of the facilities we have are not as shiny or glittery .... but they are still more than sufficient to compete.

 

[zappaa]

Not detailed enough to make sure the field wasn't plowed at half time while beating a much faster WVU team.

I'm not interested in toilet paper. That's intern stuff. We are in the B1G. We need a damn football coach.

You’re my friend, but this doesn’t deserve a response

 

[bac2therac]

Rutgers has facilities that are sufficient to compete. Compared to when Schiano was first here and we didn't have adequate S&C facilities (or basketball last year when the team had to practice on the floor of the arena because there was no practice court).

Some of the facilities we have are as shiny and glittery as any in the league. And some of the facilities we have are not as shiny or glittery .... but they are still more than sufficient to compete.

compete with who? Indiana? compete with who in recruiting? Indiana?

 

[Upstream]

I expect Greg to put together an outstanding staff, recruit the hell out of NJ and take 3 star kids and coach them up so that despite not having the very best facilities they kick *** on Saturday afternoon.

That's what I would have expected too, not a hold-up on capital improvements.

 

[Caliknight]

You’re my friend, but this doesn’t deserve a response

Be honest, you were thinking the same thing when that plow came out. The guy is known as a micromanager, but didn't think to have the field not plowed? Huuuuuge mistake.

WVU promptly came out and did what they do.

 

[zappaa]

Most detail oriented guy who ever lived is a bit of an exaggeration. I won't deny that his attention to detail is elite, however.

I took a little license, I am an author you know

 

[RUforlife]

that’s very nice, but it’s not good enough to beat Indiana, Maryland, and Michigan State. We had 8 3 stars from Nj, in 2019, and got our butt kicked by Indiana and Maryland, and will likely lose to Michigan State big.

These kids haven't had decent coaching their whole time at Rutgers. The level of coaching between Flood/Ash and Schiano is night and day. We don't know how any of these kids would perform if they had been coached properly, hopefully, we will find out. We have the facilities to attract the players we need to compete and facilities alone don't get you those 5 star kids you need to compete with OSU, PSU, and Michigan, you better be prepared to offer some other benefits to those players, their families, and their representatives if you are serious about competing for their services.

 

[zappaa]

It’s like any negotiation, you come in guns blazing then meet in the middle.
Next week, so have a good weekend everyone

 

[zappaa]

These kids haven't had decent coaching their whole time at Rutgers. The level of coaching between Flood/Ash and Schiano is night and day. We don't know how any of these kids would perform if they had been coached properly, hopefully, we will find out. We have the facilities to attract the players we need to compete and facilities alone don't get you those 5 star kids you need to compete with OSU, PSU, and Michigan, you better be prepared to offer some other benefits to those players, their families, and their representatives if you are serious about competing for their services.

Damn this is scary... starting to agree with you way to much

 

[bigmatt718]

It’s like any negotiation, you come in guns blazing then meet in the middle.
Next week, so have a good weekend everyone

I agree on both. I do think we land Schiano, and frankly until today, I wasn't fully all in until hearing his negotiation terms. I am now based on the fact that his demands are in line with proving RU is serious about competing in this conference.

 

[Jtung230]

Hobbs better shotgun some beers and sell it to the BOG.

 

[KevH]

LFG GREG!!!

This is what I’m talking about, Rutgers needs a guy like this. Get the hell out of my way, time to take care of business.

Any coach worth paying a competitive salary for would/should have the same demands. We're not talking about keeping up with Ohio State here. We're talking about making sure we aren't at a disadvantage when recruiting against the likes of Maryland and the other ordinary, every day B1G programs.

 

[WoadBlue]

If Schiano gets the job, his being a DC, and a very good one, means that he should build his staff starting with the OC. Schiano could mold a younger, less experienced, less costly DC and oversee the D directly, if he has an OC who runs the offense thoroughly.

That OC probably would need northeastern background/experience, and would need OC experience at 2 or more P5 schools, preferably in different conferences.

 

[Caliknight]

I agree on both. I do think we land Schiano, and frankly until today, I wasn't fully all in until hearing his negotiation terms. I am now based on the fact that his demands are in line with proving RU is serious about competing in this conference.

All it took was a coach demanding $4MM and we spend $100MM on a football only facility?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

@ruready4somefootball feel free time but my a beer for that unwarranted attack [cheers]

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

These kids haven't had decent coaching their whole time at Rutgers. The level of coaching between Flood/Ash and Schiano is night and day. We don't know how any of these kids would perform if they had been coached properly, hopefully, we will find out. We have the facilities to attract the players we need to compete and facilities alone don't get you those 5 star kids you need to compete with OSU, PSU, and Michigan, you better be prepared to offer some other benefits to those players, their families, and their representatives if you are serious about competing for their services.

if those 3 stars were coached properly, we’d be a good big East team. That’s what we essentially had in the aughts. Thats not good enough to compete in the big ten.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Any coach worth paying a competitive salary for would/should have the same demands. We're not talking about keeping up with Ohio State here. We're talking about making sure we aren't at a disadvantage when recruiting against the likes of Maryland and the other ordinary, every day B1G programs.

have you seen Maryland’s new football facility? It’s better than Ohio States.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

dude, it does matter what i give or do not give, this school will either commit to competing or it will not, listen I went through two decades of hoops not committed to competing, its very easy to see and yes the program can have small successes but by and large its a losing battle...same would happen with football.

The Big 10 isnt the Big East or even the ACC where solid facilities can get you a winning program. Look at the schools winning in this league. RU will not be a Ohio State or Michigan but they can be a Wisconsin or Iowa, i can guarantee you that those places put a premium in their football programs facilities. If RU aspires to be an Indiana or Illinois in this league who can a a good season here or there..fine, just do not pretend.

There is no other coach that can come in here and demand facilities be upgrade besides Schiano. Thats why this is the perfect time. You really think Lance Leopold or Bob Surace is going to do this...because those are your other choices...even Butch Jones who I like as a 2nd candidate is going to use this job as a stopover for another job. He isnt interesting in Rutgers build.

Listen we get, you loathe Schiano despite him being the only successful coach. Its almost as if you have GDS because you have had some really crazy argument as of late

he's not the only successful coach we've had. that said, if Graber had half the support that GS did, we'd be calling PSU our bit$h right now

 

[Blitz8RU]

Not detailed enough to make sure the field wasn't plowed at half time while beating a much faster WVU team.

I'm not interested in toilet paper. That's intern stuff. We are in the B1G. We need a damn football coach.

iirc Schiano was really mad at Rutgers staff for plowing the field. He had told them ahead of time not to plow the field in order to get an advantage. It almost worked too. They went against orders and it cost us our only win against WVU in the Schiano era.