It’s only a disadvantage when competing against Clemson, Bama, or OSU for 4/5 star player.
Greg Has "Significant" Demands
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I think he meant they didn't have a handshake agreement at the end, not that they flipped each other the bird on the way out the door.
If your name is not Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, etc... yeah you do. How do you think the non traditional programs (Boise, Oregon, UCF, Northwestern, etc) have competed with the big boys?
Per ESPN: "The sources told ESPN that a deal is far from being done, however, because Schiano is requesting a new indoor facility, upgrades for other facilities and a dramatic increase in assistant coaches' salaries."
None of that seems unreasonable. If he wanted the new indoor facility for the start of the 2020 season, or whatever, that might be different - but upgraded facilities and a big bump in assistant salaries? The facilities should already have a plan around them, and the assistant salaries need the boost.
None of that seems unreasonable. If he wanted the new indoor facility for the start of the 2020 season, or whatever, that might be different - but upgraded facilities and a big bump in assistant salaries? The facilities should already have a plan around them, and the assistant salaries need the boost.
I agree but giving Ash a field house would not have changed the results one iota. I want to see what the overall plan is toward improvement.
Let's be real. This ain't Urban Meyer asking for these demands. It's not that Rutgers "may cheap out" or "not have what it takes to get Big-Ten caliber facilities", they honestly could be thinking all this for....Greg Schiano? He is wanted nowhere else.
is he looking to hire ex head coaches as oc and dc? That is what the big boys do and how Greg got his job at tOSU
Rutgers reportedly meets with Greg Schiano, discusses his “demands”
https://footballscoop.com/news/rutgers-greg-schiano-discusses-demands-practice-facility/
https://footballscoop.com/news/rutgers-greg-schiano-discusses-demands-practice-facility/
Sources: Rutgers meets with ex-coach Greg Schiano about coaching vacancy
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...-meets-ex-coach-greg-schiano-coaching-vacancy
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...-meets-ex-coach-greg-schiano-coaching-vacancy
Hobbs: When I said Rose Bowl I really meant Red Box Bowl. Both are in California. Sorry for the confusion.
Correction #3: What I really meant was a bowl of roses from 1-800-Flowers
Its amazing the spinning you are doing here. This is our one chance at upgrading facilities in our lifetime. No other coach has the cache here in Jersey to make these demands
Its a good thing to invest in competing
Maryland has Kevin Plank. Does Rutgers have someone like that? And PSU is a perennial power, so its people are fine with spending that kind of money. Cannot expect the same from a program whose best coach in its history went 68-67 with not even a conference championship. The money ain't coming out of the air.
I have some articles to read and catch up. But I wonder how the media knows what Schiano's "demands" actually are at this point. Maybe the hang up isn't over facility upgrades, but over the length of the contract. Maybe Schiano wants a 10 year contract or buyouts or something along those lines.
I don't think it would be hard to negotiate an agreement about facility upgrades. Because such things could be built into future years and contingent upon a certain performance level. And because if we're at all successful, we're going to need them to move up to the next level of competitiveness in recruiting. But it doesn't all have to happen right away.
And facilities upgrades could be phased in over time. We aren't competing with OSU and 'Bama for recruits so we don't need facilities to compete with them. For the moment, we need our facilities to be better than other schools in our region that steal recruits we want, such as BC, Temple, Syracuse, etc. plus the lower echelon Big Ten programs.
I also wouldn't think assistant salary would be difficult to negotiate. I could see where assistant contract length or buyouts might be, though.
If there is a significant stumbling point, I would think it would have to do with the length of contracts more than anything else.
I don't think it would be hard to negotiate an agreement about facility upgrades. Because such things could be built into future years and contingent upon a certain performance level. And because if we're at all successful, we're going to need them to move up to the next level of competitiveness in recruiting. But it doesn't all have to happen right away.
And facilities upgrades could be phased in over time. We aren't competing with OSU and 'Bama for recruits so we don't need facilities to compete with them. For the moment, we need our facilities to be better than other schools in our region that steal recruits we want, such as BC, Temple, Syracuse, etc. plus the lower echelon Big Ten programs.
I also wouldn't think assistant salary would be difficult to negotiate. I could see where assistant contract length or buyouts might be, though.
If there is a significant stumbling point, I would think it would have to do with the length of contracts more than anything else.
i actually had 3 months left on the job i had...but I was confident that the other position I was interviewing for would come through.
Great coaching and player development. Two things that have been non-existent during the last 2 regimes.
Amazing how this board interpreted the news coming out of the meeting. You are very right - I would have been disappointed if Greg did "not" make these demands. They are very reasonable and realistic if you want to win here.
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it doesn't matter if it's GS demanding it. the RU admin knows that this needs to be done...it's already in their plans. perhaps he wants those plans accelerated. any experienced big time coach is going to ask for the same things. whether it's urban, saban, leach, swinney...they'd all want the same commitment. and honestly, its not like these facilities will disappear if we have to fire greg later on. these are building blocks that the program can benefit from for many years to come.
maryland alumni donated $65M, most of which did not come from Kevin plank.
How does a guy who was desperate to get the Temple job and their facilities are among the worst in the AAC gonna now demand that Rutgers spend tens/hundreds of millions of $s to bring its facilities up to PSU, Michigan, and OSU levels? Nobody is asking him to win a national championship, just beat Maryland, Indiana, and Michigan State at least 2/3 years and we will be happy. Also, who the hell else is offering this guys a P5 job, he'll be lucky to be coaching in the MAC if this RU gig falls through.
Do you have hard facts about what Plank and under armor actually donate? I get the sense there is lot of speculation and little is really known what UA gives. They are a public corporation and unlimited giving is highly unlikely.
That Politi editorial was all over the place and was filed with exaggerations - He was just trying to get clicks and rile up NJ residents who don't understand the benefits of successful sports at a B1G university. NJ residents are uninformed mainly because if you are not directly tuned into RU sports then you have to rely on the news media for any information. Of course all you get is mostly crap and negativity.
It was reported his agent contacted them after each opening, Collins and Diaz. Maybe "desperate" was a bit of a stretch, but that doesn't dismiss that fact he had interest in the Temple job and their facilities are second rate even in the AAC. And I don't think Temple has the donors to improve their facilities to the level of even UCF or Cincy.
I like Butch Jones. However, I think he has more question marks/flaws than Schiano. Talking with a co-worker who's a Tennessee alum and supporter, when I told him Jones interviewed for the Rutgers HC position he laughed. He absolutely hates Jones. He criticized Jones S&D/player development, as well as, stated Jones coach- speak is really annoying which created intense media dislike.
dude, it does matter what i give or do not give, this school will either commit to competing or it will not, listen I went through two decades of hoops not committed to competing, its very easy to see and yes the program can have small successes but by and large its a losing battle...same would happen with football.
The Big 10 isnt the Big East or even the ACC where solid facilities can get you a winning program. Look at the schools winning in this league. RU will not be a Ohio State or Michigan but they can be a Wisconsin or Iowa, i can guarantee you that those places put a premium in their football programs facilities. If RU aspires to be an Indiana or Illinois in this league who can a a good season here or there..fine, just do not pretend.
There is no other coach that can come in here and demand facilities be upgrade besides Schiano. Thats why this is the perfect time. You really think Lance Leopold or Bob Surace is going to do this...because those are your other choices...even Butch Jones who I like as a 2nd candidate is going to use this job as a stopover for another job. He isnt interesting in Rutgers build.
Listen we get, you loathe Schiano despite him being the only successful coach. Its almost as if you have GDS because you have had some really crazy argument as of late
Lets be peers with Illinois, Indiana, Purdue and Maryland first before we take on those heavyweights.
no we are not in the middle and no GS is not asking for best, he realizes RU will never be OSU or PSU, but he has seen this league and he knows the things that he has to have to be able to feel confident he can get the job done.
I wouldn't assume that. How often do you see previously fired coaches leave their 2nd P5 gigs voluntarily. Tommy Tuberville comes to mind from TT to Cincy but he was on the verge of being pushed out there so he left under the guise of his wife is from that area IIRC. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone else.
Up and comer yes...previously fired coach not so sure that happens all that often where they jump.