Why is Seton Hall so good?
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Campus has made major upgrades. South Orange up and coming town. Don't have to take a bus to class. Not a commuter school anymore. More than half the students live on campus.Prudential Center is head and shoulders above the RAC Shack. You can sit in a seat in a nice arena, have a beer with your client and watch good basketball.
In my opinion, every on campus arena is head and shoulders above every off campus arena.
Would any of Columbia's players been recruited by Big10 or Big East schools?
Talent wise we should be better.
So either we do not play to potential or coaching is part of the problem.
One player might help you beat Wisconsin considering how we played against them. A guy like Powell probably prevents a long scoring drought. And yes, having one top flight scorer makes a big difference. Do you not watch basketball
We also aren't playing anywhere near up to our potential, we played absolutely stupid basketball. Turnovers, missed free throws, 30% three pointers...disgusting.
I’ll try one last time. One player can make a big difference. BUT, you shouldn’t need that one player against Fordham and Columbia.....because RU should win by 15 pts in both games. Do you get it yet? When you lose to a much much lesser team, it’s on the coach.
Yes but if students hardly show up it doesn't matter too much
This. Willard is better than he is given credit for. Turgeon is probably the worst game coach in the B1G. His ability to recruit masks his inability to coach.
My initial comments had absolutely nothing to do with Fordham and Columbia. I was talking about the makeup of the team and how a guy like Powell makes a difference. We can talk coaching all day, but Pike has to get a big time scorer. Getting a scorer like Powell helps you beat Wisconsin and MSU. The difference between SHU and RU is not coaching. Hell, we beat them last year with much lesser talent.
Are you a Maryland fan? I'm curious because our fans say this too...just wow if you're a Rutgers can saying this.
I'm not critcizing you, I'm just saying if this is what Rutgers fans think of our coach !@#$!@ ^!$#$!@#$!@ we suck.
I just don’t know how you can talk about beating Wisc and MSU when we can’t beat Fordham and need OT to beat Columbia (at home).
I am usually not a critic of other schools but come on man . Seton Hall is a second or third rate Catholic School. There is a reason you offer RU rates if you have a B or better grades. Who would go there otherwise? Every Rutgers NB student would get into SH if wanted and the opposite is not even close. As for the Pru, it is a Pro arena, of course it is nice. Ever been to Cameron? It is a dump but one of the best places to watch a game. But I still remember the after game press conference last year and a reporter asked one of your players what they thought of crowd noise, and he said something like the Pru gets like that once in a while. Powell looked over at him and laughed.
You have a very nice BBall team, leave at that and do not even try to compare SH to RU academically.
Kyk's analysis of Seton Hall is colossally off base
Their coach is a Pitino disciple. Shady recruiting practices is probably what enables them to get these players. It's not the school. It's not the campus. It's not the coaches. Remember the Jerome Whitehead
recruiting stories? Where there is smoke. . .
Correct me if I’m wrong, but What does this even mean? That because we’re Rutgers fans, we’re automatically morons when it comes to basketball because our team usually sucks?
That’s irrelevant! Did you watch the the Wisconsin and MSU game? A player like Powell for RU would make a huge difference in those games. RU’s biggest problem in those types of games has been scoring droughts. They lost by five against Wisconsin. A game they had control of in the first half but hit a wall. Do you really think having a guy like Powell, who is one of the best scorers in college, wouldn’t help us beat Wisconsin or MSU?
To be fair, if you subtract Powell, SHU is probably barely over .500.....and if you added Sanders to this year's RU roster, the gaps are suddenly non existent.
Sanders and Powell are difference makers that mask others from having to do more. I took a lot of grief on here about what Geo Bakers shooting percentages would look like being forced to be the #1 option and focal point of defenses.....i mentioned there would be a lot of 4 of 13 or 4 of 14 shooting nights and that matters on what support is there.
We have a LOT of new faces learning how to generate points. We can revisit this in 2 years on RU vs SHU and pretty confident that things will look and feel much different.
Sanders and Powell are difference makers that mask others from having to do more. I took a lot of grief on here about what Geo Bakers shooting percentages would look like being forced to be the #1 option and focal point of defenses.....i mentioned there would be a lot of 4 of 13 or 4 of 14 shooting nights and that matters on what support is there.
We have a LOT of new faces learning how to generate points. We can revisit this in 2 years on RU vs SHU and pretty confident that things will look and feel much different.
Some ( though far from all) of the posts in this thread do not lend credence to the academic superiority of Rutgers.
The thread was intended to discuss reasons for SHU's success on the court compared to our what seems never ending quest to achieve your level of competitiveness. Academics clearly is not the answer.
I am happy that a fellow NJ school has done well and it will be great for both teams if RU can ultimately achieve the same.
It's not like we aren't trying!
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Pike is a good coach. And I hate admitting it. Give him time. Next year will improve with Mulchay. Better the year after that.
The NBE was a big help to SHU. The difference is it is a basketball conference where the MBB players are top dogs on campus. And the conference attracts a demo that wants to play home and/or away games in NYC, Philadelphia, Washington and Chicago.
Hawk, last time I checked Sanders isn’t on your roster anymore, yet you always include him in your Hall\ Ru comparison: also you have been going on and on over the last couple of years that once Delgado et all will be gone just wait, Ru’s talent will just zip on by us. Perhaps you might want to rethink that . We will be just fine.
Nope. Rutgers fan who follows the B1G pretty closely. He’s the classic underachieving coach in the B1G given the players he gets..especially after Indiana’s Creen was fired.
No a fool without a pot to pee in. Guaranteed. In fact I will donate $500 to the RU athletic fund if proves he has liquid non retirement assets in excess of $100k
The funny thing is Rutgers stopped recruiting him once we landed Corey Sanders. He wanted to come here
Not always on the coach. Sometimes players just don't get up for games. And when you aren't that talented and the other teams is highly motivated, it can be tough to win. Is it disgusting how poorly the teams is playing right now? Yes. But you often get that with young teams. Fact is they really haven't played well since the first half against Wisconsin. Seems like they are just going through the motions. They will wake up come Big 10 season when they don't think they are lightyears better than the team on the other side of the court.
I'm pretty sure he was saying if another team's fans, who presumable don't watch Maryland play all that much, have noticed, they're in even bigger trouble than they thought.
Some of the posts here have been cringe worthy since the seton hall loss. Get off your high horse and salute a respectable program. Do you realize how dumb it is to say a team wouldn’t be good without it’s best player?
To answer OP, Willard can develop talent. Guys like Desi Rodriguez, Powell, Cale and mamu have massively improved between their freshman and sophomore year.
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Did you go to SHU? Dead *** place offers nothing. All my friends who went to SHU who were homebodys whk visited me at RU on weekends they wanted to go out.
Poor education, poor facilities, no campus life, no history of sending kids to the NBA (spare me with whitehead kid was a 2nd round pick and your first draft pick since 2001). Im being objective. I was a SHU fan until a few years ago, place doesnt offer much
I'm not fully familiar with their roster, but they have a team with more Division I game experience than RU and they have some high IQ players. When a younger team, that is already struggling, runs into a more experienced team you can end up with a struggle win. Or worse, a loss.
I like Patrick Tape and that Glen Stefani <sp> kid is a good perimeter shooter.