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rufan4ever

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1.) We don't have 10 million to buy out Ash's contract.
2.) It is apparent Ash cannot succeed at Rutger's. Recruiting off these performances is a near
impossible task.
3.) Filling seats in our stadium will become harder as the fanbase is frustrated.
4.) We are not shelling out 5 million or more for a proven coach and refer back to point #1.
5.) Hypothetically, even if we had the funds, I am not confident that any decent coach would
choose to come here.
6.) I see only one solution despite it being controversial and we don't know if it is even
feasible. We need to basically trade Ash for Schiano.
We can argue all we want about Schiano's ability to game coach but he can recruit and
fire up the fanbase. He may not find another head coaching opportunity and given the opportunity
just maybe he has the itch to finish the job he started here.
We can hire Schiano at an affordable salary and negotiate with OSU to hire back Ash.
7.) Hobb's is in a tough spot.
The status quo will set us back for years to come.
 
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brgRC90

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We're stuck with Ash for two more years. All we can do is hope things improve even though there is little reason for it.
 
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Abro1975

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Barchi needs to call the rich Governor and beg for money to fire Hobbs and Ash and start over.
 
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Letitrip

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Gut check time for Hobbs. No way we can afford to go two more years with this coach - It will harm the program to a point where the conference will be calling. A performance like today really does hurt the whole conference. If we learned anything from the last six years this administration has hopefully learned that in the P5 being cheap does not save money it ultimately costs you money.
 
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how many RU fans in the stands for Michigan and Penn State...how many of their fans....$$$ talks
 
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Plum Street

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Scarlet_Scourge said:
If I were Hobbs I would be on the phone with our big money donors.

This should be Ash's final year here. He tried and he failed. Time to move on.
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No and no. Hobbs hired this clown and he should not be the point guy on the next hire . And big money donor Brown also hired this guy . He should not be involved at all in selecting the next hire .
But it’s all moot, we probably keep ash and sink this program to the bottom of college football
 
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Scarlet_Scourge

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Everyone here knows that I gave Ash a pass for the 1st two years. I will do the same for whoever is next HC.

However this team isn't good enough to not get blown the F out by a terrible Kansas team. There are no 4 stars in this upcoming class or the next. So year 4 and 5 will just be the same as this year. So we all know the how this is going to end.

Ash looks be a much better DC than HC. So maybe he can go back to being a DC somewhere else.

We didn't go backwards from Flood we just never even took a baby step forward.

This is as good as it is going to get with this staff and players.

It's to move on. But as everyone here knows we can't afford it so we are stuck in football hell.

Hobbs needs to try to raise the money. He may not br able to but he should at least try.
 
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sunsetregret

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King of S said:
W

Why did he ever give him an extension? Ash was totally unproven when that extension was given.
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Because he wanted immediate short-term stability and the "Immediate Short-Term Stability" playbook says to give everyone who possibly deserves to be fired, but who you won't be firing, an extension. It's moronic, but they all do it because they all crave immediate short-term stability when they take over a dumpster fire.
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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Scarlet_Scourge said:
Same reason why Flood got one. Optics. So that other schools couldn't negative recruit that Ash was on the hot seat.
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I get that and I find that to be BS in practice. I don't think it matters let them recruit negatively. There are only a limited number of spots and playing time, see how many players transfer for it. Nebraska's back up transferred when he lost out to Martinez. I also think schools generally recruit to the status of their school barring a few exceptions. So use your resources appropriately and strategically instead of being spendthrift unnecessarily, especially for a school like us with limited resources.
 
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RUBand

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rufan4ever said:
1.) We don't have 10 million to buy out Ash's contract.
2.) It is apparent Ash cannot succeed at Rutger's. Recruiting off these performances is a near
impossible task.
3.) Filling seats in our stadium will become harder as the fanbase is frustrated.
4.) We are not shelling out 5 million or more for a proven coach and refer back to point #1.
5.) Hypothetically, even if we had the funds, I am not confident that any decent coach would
choose to come here.
6.) I see only one solution despite it being controversial and we don't know if it is even
feasible. We need to basically trade Ash for Schiano.
We can argue all we want about Schiano's ability to game coach but he can recruit and
fire up the fanbase. He may not find another head coaching opportunity and given the opportunity
just maybe he has the itch to finish the job he started here.
We can hire Schiano at an affordable salary and negotiate with OSU to hire back Ash.
7.) Hobb's is in a tough spot.
The status quo will set us back for years to come.
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Schiano was a good recruiter, not a great recruiter. At this point, if he would be willing to let good coordinators do their thing (bigger task than the recruiting challenge), I’d be psyched.
 
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Ru-baby

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rutgersguy1 said:
It would be actually be 8 after this year but let's not quibble over pennies. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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Actually, that's over time. When you present value it in negotiating a lump sum buyout, it's less. It's a lot but a doable number after the season.
 
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ru1869

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ru-baby said:
Actually, that's over time. When you present value it in negotiating a lump sum buyout, it's less. It's a lot but a doable number after the season.
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It will be less than $8 Million.

Once he gets rehired, which he will, our payments to him will either end or be greatly reduced.

The best idea that I heard was a fair trade with OSU, Ash for Schiano and no draft choices.
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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ru-baby said:
Actually, that's over time. When you present value it in negotiating a lump sum buyout, it's less. It's a lot but a doable number after the season.
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It could be lump sum although I think that's less likely. But you're right it would be less any salary he gets in another job. Say he gets 500K min in another job that would be 6M over 4 years. Still don't think anything changes because of money. Don't forget the staff too. They're salaries would also be less any future employment but again it'll just add to the total.

Most coaches don't get fired after 3 years, I've said he could go winless theoretically and he's not getting fired. Didn't think we'd be so close to possibly testing that theory but I still think it. After year 4 it's possible and after year 5 for sure but after year 3 I still think unlikely. Macintyre wasn't let go at Colorado with his initial 3 year performance and he had monster year 4 and contract extension and crappy year 5 and now he's in year 6.
 
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Ru-baby

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Not in a buyout scenario. Only if we pay him over time and have a term that the payments are reduced.

The point is that it's not 10 million--it's a whole lot lesser lump sum number and one RU could make happen--difficult but doable especially if the attendance projections or lack thereof are fleshed out.
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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ru1869 said:
It will be less than $8 Million.

Once he gets rehired, which he will, our payments to him will either end or be greatly reduced.

The best idea that I heard was a fair trade with OSU, Ash for Schiano and no draft choices.
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I feel like someone is channeling Al Davis from the beyond haha.
 
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krup

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Feb 5, 2003
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rutgers4life11 said:
Definitely going to lose more than $10M in tickets, merchandise, donations, and damage to the brand over the next few years if Ash stays at the helm.
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This. It only takes a loss of 4-5000 sold tickets to cost over $2 million a year in revenue
 
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Abro1975

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Hobbs should not be the person hiring the next football coach.

Heck , make Mulcahy a consultant, and make the next football hire.
Does Hobbs have a buyout? He can be in charge of fundraising only.
 
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