***Rutgers OC Search Update***
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We rarely agree, but I agree here. How ya doin?
We can nitpick something with every candidate, because that's what we do here. But IMO, there is a lot to like about Ryan Carty. Are there better candidates out there? There always are. But can Rutgers, Chris Ash and the "better" candidates come to terms they all agree on? That's the tough part.
Take the best person for the job who wants the job, and go for it. There is nothing on Ryan Carty's resume that screams cross him off.
OTOH, guys like Canada have major red flags.
Is Plum acting up again? I can't tell, since he's one of the more senior members of my Ignore list.
@Knight Shift has the right of it. Carty isn't the sexiest name out there but we're simply not going to attract the A-list guys without paying them tons of money and expecting that they'll bolt as soon as a better-looking opportunity comes along.
@Knight Shift has the right of it. Carty isn't the sexiest name out there but we're simply not going to attract the A-list guys without paying them tons of money and expecting that they'll bolt as soon as a better-looking opportunity comes along.
There are better looking opportunities than being an offensive coordinator at Rutgers? What evidence do you have to support that? Nine different people in the last 10 years beat down our door for that job. That tells you something about the job being sough after doesn't it?
(always looking at the glass as half full, and spinning Scarlet).
I don't care about job hopping, give me two years. Continuity can come if you pluck from a good thread like Leach or Briles or from having someone on staff to be groomed like Carty could be. I don't need it be the same person. Continuity from someone who isn't as good or is incapable means nothing to me. Continuity of overall style an philosophy is what I'm looking for not necessarily from just one person.
I'm not familiar with the UNH? Are you? For all I know it could have been injuries and he did some ok/good things before and after that. That's why I don't look at single years but trends and an overall picture. And yes in 2002, I wouldn't have advocated someone like Kelly off that kind of season and nothing really stellar before but some okay numbers. Suppose DM becomes some world beater OC in the future, does that mean we were right to hire him when he did? Nope. You take the info as you have it at the time and take their experience of the candidate at the time, not what you see in hindsight and how they've grown since. You act as if Kelly was a finished product as soon as he became OC at UNH. I've read plenty of articles about him tinkering and concocting schemes etc... By the time Santos came around maybe he was a better OC than when he started and then they flourished together.
Santos is one player, Kelly has done it with other players after so I don't think it was jsut him and Carty has been there 5 years as OC, that's plenty of time to get things going. So far nothing all that impressive, ok start and less impressive recently. Kelly's other qb before Santos, Ryan Day is co-OC at OSU right now and of course he's done it with other qb since so I'm less inclined to believe Santos made him as opposed to they helped each other. Santos was also a young qb and they still had pretty solid rankings which improved as Santos matured.
As far as Kelly sticking around, it really didn't have to do with Santos. I had read McDonnell mention he had other opportunities to move on, don't know if P5, G5 or what not but he didn't because he liked it there but more importantly because of one thing he wanted....autonomy of the offense.
To me seeing something in Carty that's not there is trying to rationalize the hire. It's the same thing I saw with DM when he was hired speaking of Herman, OSU etc... and Kill speaking of how Kill has resurrected multiple programs etc.... rather than looking at their track record for the job they are about to assume. I just look at things coldly,
Like I said I actually think he probably will improve us and will likely do better than DM or Kill, I mean we were ranked in the 120s or thereabouts both years so it shouldn't take much. But the question is can he make us reach our full potential and push us to it? I'm not as certain of that but again I'm not psychic, maybe he will.
Put him on the staff I have no issue with that and let him absorb for at least a season, hopefully 2, and then if he needs to be elevated that would be perfectly fine with me.
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I don't mind co-coordinators because usually there is a delineation of who is in charge and has the reins to playcall and who doesn't. I mean UM has them now and has had them in the past, Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day are co-OCs there and Grinch and Schiano are co-DCs. Clemson has Jeff Scott and Sean Elliott, Elliot calls the plays and is the one who's been bandied about for HC jobs. Stoops had them often at OU. But if any of them leave guess what? You have the other and there's your continuity from within staff.
The title may be co-coordinator but there's still a hierarchy there. The main thing is you have succession plan from within staff.
I actually don't think that. People are just looking at this from one side, "we suck or we're cheap" who would want to come. I don't see that. Is that possible for some of the "name" candidates? Sure. But all of them? I don't think so. It's two sided. Maybe Ash doesn't want some of them. Maybe they want full autonomy and Ash won't give it. We don't know.
Canada’s settlement is finally worked out. He’s going to get $1,000,000 at the end of this month and then $35,000 a month for the next 20 months to walk away. Now he’s available to have Rutgers supplement his income. C’mon, let’s get this done already!!!
I'm not familiar with UNH. I just did some digging around.
What you said is true. Whoever takes over will improve things.
1. QB situation should be much better (one has to think one or more of Lewis, Chatman, Sitkowski and Gio) will fare better in 2018 than 2017.
2. WRs will not be freshman any more, which means they will magically run their routes and get separation?
3. Blackshear as featured back should be fun.
Since you are knowledgeable, and I like to do research, let's see if Chris Ash would hire us as Co-OCs.
How is that sarcasm?
Sarcasm: The use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
Who are you showing contempt for there? Are you really using the hiring of an OC as a path to show contempt for Trump supporters?
Did you really expect people here to know what the OC candidate looked like?
Is it really so far-fetched that anyone would tweet negatively about Trump? Because that is what you would need to signal that people should not think that you are talking about a candidate for the OC position.
Playing devils advocate, if he is good as a coordinator, why hasn't he moved on and up from UNH?
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If Carty was in play, why have they not already hired him. The more this drags out the more I think it’s Canada. He and Ash are buddies and RU would get a legit OC.
The title may also just be another way to put more money in someone's pocket and also not make it look like a downgrade on the resume. To me, Schiano is the DC and Wilson is the OC at OSU. Part of the problem with the current staff is there is little depth, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think Blazek is ready to be an OC. Perhaps Busch could be the DC but again I think Ash's presence looms large on that side of the ball.
Probably because he was not an A list candidate and Ash has been waiting for other's to make a decision. It will be really interesting to see how much we are paying depending on the candidate. At this point, I just would like to see this concluded soon.
You cherry-picked the second part of the definition, and dropped the "mock" part.
Sarcasm- "the use of irony to mock." If the OC Ryan Carty was tweeting about politics when he was supposedly under consideration for a big job, then maybe he does not exercise the best judgment, despite the current President not being wildly popular. It is usually not a good idea to bring up politics or religion when you are interviewing for a job. It would be unwise to be tweeting at the President when you are interviewing for a big job.
When it comes to selection of OCs or the Presidents of the United States, I show contempt for nobody. Contempt is a strong word. Disappointment or regret? Sometimes, and not just for the current one.
As far as knowing it was not the OC of UNH, all one had to do was click on the tweet and see the guy is a librarian.
That is all. It was an attempt at humor. If fell flat. Or as one poster would reply: Fail.
If Ryan Carty, the current OC at UNH, is the guy RU and Chris Ash have agreed to hire, I am 100% behind it. Not an iota of sarcasm, contempt, mockery, disappointment or regret here. Actually, pretty pumped.
Which, if this is the case, Ash is being very smart and deliberate. Ash seems to be very direct and a straight shooter. If indeed Carty is plan B, he probably knows that and that Ash is waiting to hear back from other candidates. There is nothing wrong with being plan B to a Canada or a Mazzone or a Fisch.
He’s not looking for an OC job to supplement his income. He’s looking at another $1mm+ OC job like anyone else would.
Right.
Don't know many people who just received that kind of money who would say, screw it, I'll take the lower paying job because I don't need the money.
Now, maybe there would be other intangibles that made the job at RU attractive to him, such as knowing Chris Ash and that he would indeed have free reign over the offense. That MAY be enough to take less $$$ then going to another job where he is going to be under the thumb of a control freak HC.
That's true too, that's what Flood was with KC. There were even co-OCs with Cristobal and someone else when Taggart was at Oregon. Taggart was calling the plays as HC and I have no delusions that Cristobal was heavily involved in the offense. Of course now he's the HC lol.
But that's not always the case, sometimes co-coordinators have collaboration but also hierarchy. That's my main thrust for the argument and as a way to maintain continuity that everyone wants but only seem to look for it embodied in a single person.
I don't know. I would have thought he'd have been open to it considering he coached with UM. I thought it would have been a good idea with both DM and Kill but it never happened so who knows what his feelings on the issue are.
Well coaching convention is going on now and Jan 9 10th assistant date is coming up too, so I'd like to think if it happens it should be some time this week but we'll see.
I don't think he was ever making close to that prior to LSU. He turned that very good year at Pitt into nice contract. But coaching salaries are skyrocketing lately so who knows now.
The commentary here becomes more ridiculous with every post. Everyone...maybe not everyone, thinks they have the answer and are experts. The smart folks are those who either played, coached or ran theirown successful business and haven't posted or got too involved in the speculative conversation here. Regardless who the next OC may be one can rest assured that another 6 page thread will follow that will produce nothing but letting mainly those with a negative agenda vent their feelings. Often it's sad to see when things are moving forward one step at a time.
A message to anyone who thinks Kill didn't do a good job and was not an asset to Ash and the program perhaps should look in the mirror and reconsider this and ask just how does their negativity help. Unless of course he/she is $million dollar donor then perhaps they have a true investment as in any business and worthwhile hearing.
A message to anyone who thinks Kill didn't do a good job and was not an asset to Ash and the program perhaps should look in the mirror and reconsider this and ask just how does their negativity help. Unless of course he/she is $million dollar donor then perhaps they have a true investment as in any business and worthwhile hearing.
Here's another name to throw out there. Marcus Satterfield. OC at Temple from 2013-15. Coached Philip Walker, who had a dynamite career as QB at Temple. He left in 2016 to become HC at Tennessee Tech.
Chris Ash connection--they both coached Hayden Rettig.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Satterfield
Chris Ash connection--they both coached Hayden Rettig.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Satterfield
One thing about Ash, he always has a plan as seen with this latest JUCO pickup when McDonald waivered. It baffles me with the assistant's he has hired, he needs to get outside his bubble - similar to Durkin, and make hires that will round him out more. I do like Neiman although that was far from a home run hire, the only 2 solid picks he made so far have been Busch and Blazek, so he really needs to crush this one
I am not worried about time, Ash knows his career depends on this, ,he will get it right
I am not worried about time, Ash knows his career depends on this, ,he will get it right
Some are critical that he has not moved on but his age could be a factor. The next logical step for him is OC at a bigger school or HC at the level he is at but he would still be very young for either of these positions. I would have to watch UNH play to know if I liked him, to see if they run and offense that is crisp and not easy to read, some sort of read option. The local connection can't hurt.
All I know is this. Previous staffs here have always had leaky boats. NJ.com had sources and printed info from "unnamed sources who are familiar with the situation" constantly. This staff, however, has plugged those leaks and is great at not letting anyone know what they are doing. So I have no idea who the next OC will be and no one else does either. I haven't even seen, heard, or read about anyone who has been formally interviewed. I do believe that Ash has a plan and will follow it and none of us will know about anything until he announces the hire. That being said, it has been fun reading about all the speculation and listing of names because I really don't follow the coaching fraternity so I have no clue who is really out there and available. So, please continue.
The Legend of Ricky Santos gets bigger & bigger every year. Yes, he was a prolific college QB, who then went undrafted, got picked up by the hapless Kansas City Chiefs as a UFA, and was promptly released a month later. He played in the CFL for 4 years, so there is that.
The point was an FCS QB getting a sniff at the NFL is pretty rare.
Pretty legendary performance on Sep. 12, 2004.
30/40385 yds5 TDs
1 INT