New Gov and RU

[e5fdny]

Okay...still doesn't make them anywhere close to being our equal.

Not saying they are or will be.

But I do agree with @Ole Cabbagehead in that this is the plan. Whether it's successful or not remains to be seen.

The Rowan Blvd project, the new addition to the Engineering School, the brand new hospital being built for the the medical school. They are doing things so they can position themselves (with a little help from our South Jersey friends/machine) for the future.

 

[czxqa]

Yeah, he was bad. But yet Christie managed to be worse. I believe it was lower than the 1994 budget what he tried- and then he targeted the professor who issued a redistricting map he did not like to have them lose all their funding.

Corzine did donate to the stadium expansion; Christie considered closing the bball program.

Not one red cent did Corzine donate. Not one.

 

[djrc89]

Just to provide some accurate info. Murphy has been on the campus of Rutgers numerous times. He ia an owner of Sky Blue FC whose team plays its games at Yurcak Field. He was instrumental in getting the team playing there.

He is a big fan of Rutgers being our State University and a member of the Big 10. He is pro Rutgers and while governor should not do anything to jeapordise the reputation or status of the University. You will probably see him wearing Rutgers gear somewhere down the line.

I hope this helps.

From ur lips ... hope you have his ear.. my 14 yr old asked me about the election tonight and i told her you know I’m gonna be ok no matter who the governor is. I want our governor to want our state university to be everything it can possibly be and to encourage our state to move things in that direction

 

[RUnTime_rivals654121]

Not everybody.

I was telling everyone he was a worthless, lying bag of monkey **** from the Spring before the election.

Gotta love CC - saved me $ on my property tax bill these past years. Have to get rid of public emplyoee pensions like all of corporate America is doing. 401k for all NJ employees. #Freeloadersnomore

 

[T2Kplus10]

The question before was, how will Sweeney/Norcross influence Murphy? Read the column. Sweeney (and Norcross) - no tax hikes above the millionaire's tax (which only generates about $500m, if that) and we will have to wait until we can afford Murphy's other priorities. And the term "we can afford" will be judged by Sweeney and Boss Norcross.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf...y_makes_me_nervous_m.html#incart_2box_opinion

 

[RU848789]

First, this probably ought to be on the Current Events board, and I encourage the moderators to move it there.

I don't believe Governor-elect Murphy has said *anything* about Rutgers. He seems to have a lot of other prioritie (e.g. pre-kindergarten) , and he thinks NJ should significantly raise taxes to pay for them. But there is no way he will get the legislature (even a Democratic legislature) to increase taxes enough for his wish list. We will see what he actually accomplishes.

Just so you know where I'm coming from, I voted for Murphy but very reluctantly.

Love your insights into NJ politics on this board and in this thread, but I disagree that this should be moved to the CE board, as the thread is relevant to Rutgers. It's a good thread so far - not sure how much the mods have had to police it, but I like it here.

 

[Retired711]

I live in Massachusetts which has lost its reputation as Taxachusetts . I can't believe that Murphy wants to raise taxes on top of the outrageous property taxes levied in NJ...I read the recent WSJ editorial that said the average property tax bill in Essex County on a median $427K home is $11,597. Unbelievable and still not enough?

I pay about that in Cherry Hill on a home that, I assure you, is not worth anywhere near $427K. I don't mind too much (except when I pay the bill!) because the schools here are very good, and that helps my property value, but I think there are a lot of people who are nowhere close to getting their money's worth.

 

[RUfinal4]

it may be interesting

Phil got a BA from harvard and Masters from UPenn. Both are private.

Dems typically favor funding for public education so it makes sense to think he will support Rutgers more than Christie. I can see him making public education funding a priority compared to school vouchers and education policies the Republicans are in favor of.

I can see him creating a plan like NY State for free college for those under a certain income level. My biggest issue with that is in NY it is all or none. If you are $1 below the level you get free college and $1 over you pay full ride.

I see Phil being a better friend to Rutgers than Christie was. Didn't Christie wear Notre Dame gear to the Pinstripe bowl?

 

[bac2therac]

Not true.

how was this not true, it was a truly stupid decison last year to vote no funded by NY and PA inteerests

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Like all of them, they will say anything to get elected and blame someone else when it can't be done.

Most Dems in NJ are actually Center-Left just like most Reps in NJ are Center-Right.

The crazy far left and far right people are in the minority in NJ. This new guy sounds he is far left, I think most of what he said he would do will not get passed.

Some of it will, the stuff that Christine vetoed for example, but not everything, the wackier pie in the sky nonsense will never happen.

As far as I know he never mention Rutgers at all by name.

Anyway, yes this thread should be moved.

 

[RUskoolie]

Not one red cent did Corzine donate. Not one.

Not a fan of Corzine at all but...

He (or his fund I believe) actually donated one million dollars - look it up yourself in the media guide next home game.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

They can't take Rutgers Camden. All the money in corruption comes from expansion - building things. Hence the Camden fields deal. Building means money moving around, which means opportunity to hire all sorts of folks, which means opportunities for graft, skimming and kickbacks.

From where I sit, the big play for Norcross is to get Rowan funding tied to Rutgers funding. Maybe not equal, but some play to treat both the State's "flagship universities" on par with each other. Which of course F*cks Rutgers, and ensures lots of money to throw around south jersey.

That's the play right there.

imho.. there is no way that Murphy remains "above" all this... he probably owes political favors (even though he paid for support from the right people).. those people will get in his ear as they did with McGreevy and Christie... ONLY the Rutgers Board of Trustees has prevented state takeover in one form or another.. giving Rutgers-Camden to Norcross's people or creation of this Trenton office of Chancellor of all New Jersey State Us. McGreevy probably saw himself in that role when he left office.. having a background in "education".

And as Cabbagehead said.. its all about SPENDING and I think it all goes back tot eh stadium expansion. When politicians saw Rutgers spending $100M and they did not get to pick the winners and losers as to where that money was going.. they went nuts. They had their tool, Zoffinger, a McGreevy plant on the BoG attack.. and their tools at the Star-Ledger cooperated. End result was a new position created inside the Rutgers AD office.. probably a political appointee. That is how they play the game.

I don't see why Murphy would play it any differently. I just hope the Rutgers BoT remains strong.

 

[Retired711]

That's the play right there.

imho.. there is no way that Murphy remains "above" all this... he probably owes political favors (even though he paid for support from the right people).. those people will get in his ear as they did with McGreevy and Christie... ONLY the Rutgers Board of Trustees has prevented state takeover in one form or another.. giving Rutgers-Camden to Norcross's people or creation of this Trenton office of Chancellor of all New Jersey State Us. McGreevy probably saw himself in that role when he left office.. having a background in "education".

And as Cabbagehead said.. its all about SPENDING and I think it all goes back tot eh stadium expansion. When politicians saw Rutgers spending $100M and they did not get to pick the winners and losers as to where that money was going.. they went nuts. They had their tool, Zoffinger, a McGreevy plant on the BoG attack.. and their tools at the Star-Ledger cooperated. End result was a new position created inside the Rutgers AD office.. probably a political appointee. That is how they play the game.

I don't see why Murphy would play it any differently. I just hope the Rutgers BoT remains strong.

I am not worried about Rutgers/Camden for the time being. It would take votes of the Boards of Trustees and Governors to transfer the campus; the legislature can't do it on its own. That was pretty firmly established the last time around.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Not one red cent did Corzine donate. Not one.

I recall once hearing $100K was donated by Corzine and thinking.. that is a far cry from his claim about the "first million" he'd donate and get all his friends to donate.

 

[fischy5000]

Everyone was sucking Christies toes in 2010 .
.

Quite possibly the most revolting thought in a while and that includes the CE board haha.

 

[WhiteBus]

F3c

how was this not true, it was a truly stupid decison last year to vote no funded by NY and PA inteerests

You know as well as I do that referendum was so poorly written it had less to do gambling and all to do with politics. The problems were many especially the lack of specifics of where the new casinos would go and who was getting them. Plus who would be funding all the costs.
You put a measure up for vote saying that expansion would be limited to the Meadowlands and Monmouth Park at zero cost to the taxpayers and how much the state would get, than you would have a real vote on expanding gambling in NJ.
That garbage on that ballot was just that, garbage.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I am not worried about Rutgers/Camden for the time being. It would take votes of the Boards of Trustees and Governors to transfer the campus; the legislature can't do it on its own. That was pretty firmly established the last time around.

But you know they will "probe the fences"...

..the politicians have already suggested getting rid of the Board of Trustees.. or to expand it (with political appointees),, anyway to reduce Rutgers independence and get control..

Here's how NJ.com reported BoT rejection of the merger that would have lost Camden

And here's how they reported, a month later, NJ legislature passing a bill to allow merger

What a tremendous waste of time.. but right there you will find the friends of Rutgers.. the people on the losing side of that vote..

The Assembly was first to vote tonight, approving the overhaul 60-18 without debate. Minutes later the Senate passed the measure 29-9 after about an hour of impassioned comments from both sides of the aisle.
​

 

[mdk02]

Like all of them, they will say anything to get elected and blame someone else when it can't be done.

Most Dems in NJ are actually Center-Left just like most Reps in NJ are Center-Right.

The crazy far left and far right people are in the minority in NJ. This new guy sounds he is far left, I think most of what he said he would do will not get passed.

Some of it will, the stuff that Christine vetoed for example, but not everything, the wackier pie in the sky nonsense will never happen.

As far as I know he never mention Rutgers at all by name.

Anyway, yes this thread should be moved.

This guy is crazy far left. If his election platform passes this state is even ****** than it currently is. You think any major business will move in when he promised to jack up corporate taxes and keep a lid on property taxes? And that doesn't even include raising income taxes above the level that already has NJ in the Top 3 in the country. Sanctuary state? I hear MS-13 is renting moving vans on Long Island as I write this. $15. per hour? Well about 60% of minimum wage workers will get a raise and the other 40% will be unemployed as they lose the cost benefit analysis to machines.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Not saying they are or will be.

But I do agree with @Ole Cabbagehead in that this is the plan. Whether it's successful or not remains to be seen.

The Rowan Blvd project, the new addition to the Engineering School, the brand new hospital being built for the the medical school. They are doing things so they can position themselves (with a little help from our South Jersey friends/machine) for the future.

my son and his GF graduated from there, my niece did, my daughter's BF currently does, and I meet folks all the time with kids going there. Guy I just met to do some work has a daughter who is Pres. of the new Biomedical Engineering (If I have that right) program they just started. What I saw happen during my son's frosh year 2011 until now is amazing. All new.
Heck, my daughter graduates Stockton in Dec. They're in the middle of that "Rowan Blvd" thing like like also did at TCNJ.

Not the Flag ship but they are creating some very nice alternatives.

 

[rurichdog]

Murphy has more interest in universal Pre-K than funding Rutgers. And as has already been stated, if Rutgers is in line to get a few million, Norcross State wants to get a huge chunk of it too. Think of all the building going on at former Glassboro State, then think of all the building that had not been going on at Rutgers until recently. Rowan got a new hospital, Rutgers ate the debt of former UMDNJ.

 

[Retired711]

But you know they will "probe the fences"...

..the politicians have already suggested getting rid of the Board of Trustees.. or to expand it (with political appointees),, anyway to reduce Rutgers independence and get control..

Here's how NJ.com reported BoT rejection of the merger that would have lost Camden

And here's how they reported, a month later, NJ legislature passing a bill to allow merger

What a tremendous waste of time.. but right there you will find the friends of Rutgers.. the people on the losing side of that vote..

The Assembly was first to vote tonight, approving the overhaul 60-18 without debate. Minutes later the Senate passed the measure 29-9 after about an hour of impassioned comments from both sides of the aisle.
​

 

[Retired711]

The legislature does not have the power to abolish the Board of Trustees, and it can't remover the Board of Trustee representatives on the Board of Governors. We will have to see who Murphy appoints to the BOG, but keep in mind that the BOG turns over very slowly.

 

[jellyman_rivals307848]

Murphy has more interest in universal Pre-K than funding Rutgers. And as has already been stated, if Rutgers is in line to get a few million, Norcross State wants to get a huge chunk of it too. Think of all the building going on at former Glassboro State, then think of all the building that had not been going on at Rutgers until recently. Rowan got a new hospital, Rutgers ate the debt of former UMDNJ.

Christie's doing ... he would only support the merger with UMDNJ if RU would take all the State debt associated with UMDNJ - I think it ended up being somewhere around $150 million, though it was initially publicized as about $80 million. This forced take of the debt was all part of Christie's presidential ambitions.

Such as his rejection of the rail tunnel project a number of years ago, for which NYC and Northern NJ are paying dearly for now with regular train failures due to tunnel issues. Christie ONLY rejected that tunnel deal (with a large part paid for by the Federal government) because he wanted to use $2 billion to $2.5 billion of Port Authority money to pay for the repair of the Pulaski Skyway. While the Pulaski Skyway HAD to be repaired (it was losing its structural integrity), it has NEVER been a part of the Port Authority project network - so the money was essentially stolen from the Port Authority by Christie and his cronies he put into the Port Authority.

BUT ... the DRIVING factor for Christie in making this decision were also his presidential ambitions: He HAD to reject anything that smelled like a tax increase. The ONLY way to pay for the Pulaski Skyway repair at the time, other than theft from the Port Authority, was through increasing the NJ gasoline tax ... because the Pulaski Skyway repair should have been paid out of the NJ Transportation Fund Authority, funded by gasoline taxes. Because of Christie's presidential ambitions, the the necessities of winning a Republican primary process, Christie's HAD to prove his anti-tax bona fides, and could not support, or allow ANY tax increase, even when it makes sense.

 

[T2Kplus10]

The legislature does not have the power to abolish the Board of Trustees, and it can't remover the Board of Trustee representatives on the Board of Governors. We will have to see who Murphy appoints to the BOG, but keep in mind that the BOG turns over very slowly.

There are numerous ways for Norcross to gain more control of RU Camden and the money associated with it than an out right transfer of assets. And I'm sure Norcross has a plan.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Murphy has more interest in universal Pre-K than funding Rutgers. And as has already been stated, if Rutgers is in line to get a few million, Norcross State wants to get a huge chunk of it too. Think of all the building going on at former Glassboro State, then think of all the building that had not been going on at Rutgers until recently. Rowan got a new hospital, Rutgers ate the debt of former UMDNJ.

Any "new" higher ed money will be devote to free stuff/tuition, not increased aid to RU in any meaningful way.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Not saying they are or will be.

But I do agree with @Ole Cabbagehead in that this is the plan. Whether it's successful or not remains to be seen.

The Rowan Blvd project, the new addition to the Engineering School, the brand new hospital being built for the the medical school. They are doing things so they can position themselves (with a little help from our South Jersey friends/machine) for the future.

Of course its their plan. They portray Rutgers as being "north jersey." Once they build Rowan up enough (which is basically already done), they will cry and scream how it is unfair that the "South Jersey University" gets the short end of the stick, and the two should receive funding that is either equal, or proportionate.

These guys are not exactly the big brains....they are typical grifters, that happen to be in a position of complete control of the entire State government. Their playbook on everything is that South Jersey needs to be treated equally from a budget stadnpoint, and of course they control all of the government contracts in South Jersey. Nevermind that all the people live in the north. Anything the north gets, the south must receive equal.

I love this tidbit from one of the articles: "The articles indicated Norcross would accept the maintenance of the Rutgers name in Camden but the creation of joint governing boards that would control both the Rutgers-Camden campus and Rowan."

Lol....how does that not cause outrage? Norcross would accept?? The guy is a private business owner, who never held any public office. But he is the one cutting all the deals as to what his puppets in the state house will agree to. NJ has to be the only state in the union where the voters are so friggin' dumb as to elect these people.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

At the end of the day....we are talking about people who tried to use FDR's court packing plan to rig the Rutgers Board in their favor. I guess they never actually read the full chapter in history class.... because they failed in the exact same way.

Frankly, if the BoT cannot out maneuver these people, they shouldn't be on the BoT.

 

[RU-AGK]

Of course its their plan. They portray Rutgers as being "north jersey." Once they build Rowan up enough (which is basically already done), they will cry and scream how it is unfair that the "South Jersey University" gets the short end of the stick, and the two should receive funding that is either equal, or proportionate.

These guys are not exactly the big brains....they are typical grifters, that happen to be in a position of complete control of the entire State government. Their playbook on everything is that South Jersey needs to be treated equally from a budget stadnpoint, and of course they control all of the government contracts in South Jersey. Nevermind that all the people live in the north. Anything the north gets, the south must receive equal.

I love this tidbit from one of the articles: "The articles indicated Norcross would accept the maintenance of the Rutgers name in Camden but the creation of joint governing boards that would control both the Rutgers-Camden campus and Rowan."

Lol....how does that not cause outrage? Norcross would accept?? The guy is a private business owner, who never held any public office. But he is the one cutting all the deals as to what his puppets in the state house will agree to. NJ has to be the only state in the union where the voters are so friggin' dumb as to elect these people.

NJEA wanted to cut off the right arm off this particular lizard (for their own reasons of course. Good ones in this PWs opinion) but they are the "boogeyman" now.

Now the ignoramus Sweeney will be able to continue to push the Piney agenda virtually unopposed now that they will install one of their NNJ monkeys from Middlesex County into Prieto's seat.

I think it's funny how CC is the most powerful governor in the country (with Sweeney as his fall guy) but now people already view Murphy as neutered.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Lol....how does that not cause outrage? Norcross would accept?? The guy is a private business owner, who never held any public office. But he is the one cutting all the deals as to what his puppets in the state house will agree to. NJ has to be the only state in the union where the voters are so friggin' dumb as to elect these people.

Bingo.

 

[T2Kplus10]

NJEA wanted to cut off the right arm off this particular lizard (for their own reasons of course. Good ones in this PWs opinion) but they are the "boogeyman" now.

Now the ignoramus Sweeney will be able to continue to push the Piney agenda virtually unopposed now that they will install one of their NNJ monkeys from Middlesex County into Prieto's seat.

I think it's funny how CC is the most powerful governor in the country (with Sweeney as his fall guy) but now people already view Murphy as neutered.

And Sweeney/Norcross has the unlimited power to block Murphy's agenda, if they don't get what they want. Murphy will play ball, eventually, they all do.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The legislature does not have the power to abolish the Board of Trustees, and it can't remover the Board of Trustee representatives on the Board of Governors. We will have to see who Murphy appoints to the BOG, but keep in mind that the BOG turns over very slowly.

They cannot abolish the Rutgers BoT now.. but you have seen the calls to do just that, haven't you? They called it an anachronism, etc etc. What they can do is target the members of the BoT and BUY a vote that, in effect, gives control of the BoT to the politicians and then they will abolish it... in effect, getting the BoT to disband itself. The progression is influence, infiltrate, control and disband, thereby making it simple case of total control moving to the politically dominated Rutgers BoG. Then there is no more need for transfers of ownership of anything.. they will have the whole enchilada.

 

[S_Janowski]

lol @ Rowan and "flagship" in the same sentence...

Rowan will never be a flagship for anyone who has half a brain.

It's the South Jersey politicians and the boob of a President at Rowan who will proclaim it's a flagship and continue to want a bigger piece of the pie, and will get it.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The ONLY way to pay for the Pulaski Skyway repair at the time, other than theft from the Port Authority, was through increasing the NJ gasoline tax ... because the Pulaski Skyway repair should have been paid out of the NJ Transportation Fund Authority, funded by gasoline taxes.

But Port Authority is rife with graft and corruption and they are essentially thieves.. so is stealing from a thief a crime.. to do a needed repair?

And all of Trenton.. Dems and GOP have raided the transportation trust fund for decades. Manly to pay for all those cushy benefits and multiple pensions being paid to state workers... and the big projects designed to give profits and jobs to friends and family of politicians.

The committee Christie pushed through to control all that gas tax money.. to spend it before it comes in.. that tells you everything you need to know about Christie and every politicians in the state that did not quash that plan.

The ARC tunnel tat you bemoan the loss of that is just a payday to Bergen County politicians and landholders and developers. Why not a tunnels and high speed train line from Ocean County through Staten Island to lower Manhattan? Why another tunnel across the Hudson where their are already 2 tunnels and a bridge and ferry service? Why not an east/west through Middlesex and somerset to hunterdon.. to link to the NE corridor? make it rail/highway and allow more development of those areas.. why does it have to be Bergen County getting everything?

 

[e5fdny]

Rowan will never be a flagship for anyone who has half a brain.

It's the South Jersey politicians and the boob of a President at Rowan who will proclaim it's a flagship and continue to want a bigger piece of the pie, and will get it.

It will be easier to plant said flag when you get the whole pie to use as your base of the pole.

Not saying it will ever be = but they’re gonna try.

 

[jellyman_rivals307848]

But Port Authority is rife with graft and corruption and they are essentially thieves.. so is stealing from a thief a crime.. to do a needed repair?

And all of Trenton.. Dems and GOP have raided the transportation trust fund for decades. Manly to pay for all those cushy benefits and multiple pensions being paid to state workers... and the big projects designed to give profits and jobs to friends and family of politicians.

The committee Christie pushed through to control all that gas tax money.. to spend it before it comes in.. that tells you everything you need to know about Christie and every politicians in the state that did not quash that plan.

Oh, I agree with you about both parties at the Port Authority (and other quasi-governmental agencies) trough.

This was particularly aggredious, in my opinion, however, because that tunnel addition under the Hudson River was REALLY important for development, lifestyle and the overall economy from Central NJ to the North and into NYC. I think the project will still have to be done (the trains are REALLY bad now), but at twice the cost.

And, on top of that, the NJ gasoline tax was increased anyway, in 2016, because despite raiding the Port Authority Fund inappropriately, the Transportation Fund was still depleted ... so NJ had its gasoline tax increased, but did not get the Hudson River tunnel addition. Bad trade all around, almost solely for Christie to tell Republican primary voters he was anti-tax enough to get the presidential nomination.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Rowan will never be a flagship for anyone who has half a brain.

It's the South Jersey politicians and the boob of a President at Rowan who will proclaim it's a flagship and continue to want a bigger piece of the pie, and will get it.

How many folks in NJ have half a brain? They keep electing the same people to Trenton over and over and over and over and over again.

 

[mdk02]

Such as his rejection of the rail tunnel project a number of years ago, for which NYC and Northern NJ are paying dearly for now with regular train failures due to tunnel issues. Christie ONLY rejected that tunnel deal (with a large part paid for by the Federal government) because he wanted to use $2 billion to $2.5 billion of Port Authority money to pay for the repair of the Pulaski Skyway..

NYC and NYS got EXACTLY what they paid for. And Christie rejected the tunnel deal because they, AND the federal government, weren't on the hook for a god damned PENNY of the cost overruns.

 

[Retired711]

There are numerous ways for Norcross to gain more control of RU Camden and the money associated with it than an out right transfer of assets. And I'm sure Norcross has a plan.

The only thing I can see that Norcross can do is to cut the appropriation to Rutgers-Camden (yes, it has a separate line item -- thanks to Norcross). But he has shown zero interest in doing this. Norcross's priority right now seems to be steering money to projects in the City of Camden, and cutting money for Rutgers-Camden doesn't accomplish that goal.

 

[Retired711]

They cannot abolish the Rutgers BoT now.. but you have seen the calls to do just that, haven't you? They called it an anachronism, etc etc. What they can do is target the members of the BoT and BUY a vote that, in effect, gives control of the BoT to the politicians and then they will abolish it... in effect, getting the BoT to disband itself. The progression is influence, infiltrate, control and disband, thereby making it simple case of total control moving to the politically dominated Rutgers BoG. Then there is no more need for transfers of ownership of anything.. they will have the whole enchilada.

The present governmental arrangement at Rutgers is established as part of a contract between Rutgers and the state of New Jersey that has been in effect for sixty years. The state can't change the arrangement without the consent of both the BOT and the BOG. The BOT can potentially take away from the state all property of Rutgers that existed since 1956. That's a nuclear weapon, but one that could be used in an extreme situation.

 

[rurichdog]

How many folks in NJ have half a brain? They keep electing the same people to Trenton over and over and over and over and over again.

"He's a scumbag, but he's our scumbag."