Hayden Rettig

Knight Shift

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The best thing about dodd, was that as he scrambled his eyes were always up. He made a tremendous number of plays, on the run, because he kept his eyes up and shoulders square.
I am going to sound like I have a bromance with Ray Lucas, but he said the same thing about Gio with respect to keeping his head up and looking down field. That was one of the big differences we saw with Gio in the limited sample size--he made plays happen because the options went beyond getting sacked, running and getting tackled right away or throwing the ball out of bounds when no defenders were with 5 feet of him.
 
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gef21

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I am going to sound like I have a bromance with Ray Lucas, but he said the same thing about Gio with respect to keeping his head up and looking down field. That was one of the big differences we saw with Gio in the limited sample size--he made plays happen because the options went beyond getting sacked, running and getting tackled right away or throwing the ball out of bounds when no defenders were with 5 feet of him.

Im a huge Ray Lucas fan. I love listening to him on the radio. I met him in person and had a really funny conversation with him, after he hit on my girlfriend at the time.

But I loved a lot of what I saw from Gio. He is not comfortable yet but that is because of his lack of reps.
 

kupuna133

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I am going to sound like I have a bromance with Ray Lucas, but he said the same thing about Gio with respect to keeping his head up and looking down field. That was one of the big differences we saw with Gio in the limited sample size--he made plays happen because the options went beyond getting sacked, running and getting tackled right away or throwing the ball out of bounds when no defenders were with 5 feet of him.
Gio remains an athlete when he is scrambling. Keeps his eyes up , down field and his options open.
 
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Knight Shift

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Gio remains an athlete when he is scrambling. Keeps his eyes up , down field and his options open.
Funny--that is the second time I saw someone use the phrase "remains and athlete" when scrambling. I am not looking to insult anyone, but what does a QB become if he does not remain an athlete when scrambling?
 

ru75

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Sigh ... There are many things about a team, and individual players that are, and should, stay private. Just because someone is a fan, or even a donor, does not mean that fan or donor has a "right" to know these private things. And frankly, anonymous message board posters have even fewer rights to know these private things.

Sometimes it is simply none of your business unless RU and/or individual players choose to make certain things public. For the life of me, I cannot understand why people do not get that.

Many people, from multiple sources, many times, dating back to August or even September of LAST season (2015) have tried to gently hint there is more going on than is public, than meets the eye, or than even SHOULD be public.

With that said, from what I have heard, it has nothing to do with Rettig's raw intelligence or academic ability, both of which seem to be excellent. Nor does it have anything to do with attitude, as by all accounts Rettig is very responsive to coaches. Nor does it have to do with effort, as I have never heard work ethic is an issue. Nor does it have to do with his likability, as best I can tell. And by ALL accounts Rettig really likes being at RU.

I would really just recommend all those who keep harping on Rettig to be the starting QB for RU to JUST ... LET ... IT ... GO ... Though I suppose you never say never, it would seem to be a very remote chance at this stage.

If you have a complaint about the QB situation (not unfair to have these complaints), then focus on Laviano versus Gio vs Allen vs Oden.

Please.
That cleared it up
 
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gef21

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Or out of bounds or ineffective by throwing the ball out of bounds too soon--same result--no play, so I guess not being an athlete or looking athletic.

Really not being an athlete is an inability to extend a play. It does not mean he is going to run 70 yards for a TD every time a play breaks down but an ability to escape the pocket and extend his opportunity to gain yards with his feet or in the air.
 
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kupuna133

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Funny--that is the second time I saw someone use the phrase "remains and athlete" when scrambling. I am not looking to insult anyone, but what does a QB become if he does not remain an athlete when scrambling?
Remaining an athlete means if the intended design of the play breaks down remain calm fall back on your fundamentals and make a positive play. Either by moving the sticks with your feet or arm.
 
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CL highlights include throwing the ball out of bounce, scrambling to the line of scrimmage, and taking a shotgun snap and not getting tackled for a loss.......sorry but he has had 18games to prove himself and in 18 games no improvement in his play....next man up.
 

NickKnight 1

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Hayden will be a grad transfer after this season is completed.
I believe if he transferred this season he'd have to pay his own way wherever he went and still have to sit and use a year of eligibility doing it.
He'll get his degree this way, still be on scholarship and be able to be a Grad Transfer going to any school he wants with one year eligibility left.

Rettig might not be playing, but he's not a good fit for Mehringer's system and isn't being treated unfairly.
Not playing him at all is being unfair. Period.
 
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Knight Shift

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College football is not fair.
Life is not fair.
Explained this to my kids when they were young that sports is life on larger and more visible stage. In many instances, failure can be good to learn and breed success. Working as a team and being part of something larger than yourself. Sometimes the smartest or the "best" people do not get the job. Deal with it, and be a team player. . .
 

gef21

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Life is not fair.
Explained this to my kids when they were young that sports is life on larger and more visible stage. In many instances, failure can be good to learn and breed success. Working as a team and being part of something larger than yourself. Sometimes the smartest or the "best" people do not get the job. Deal with it, and be a team player. . .

The everyone gets a trophy mentality destroys our kids growth.

At every level I have had to sit kids down and talk to them about how they are not going to play much, if even at all.
 
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Knight Shift

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The everyone gets a trophy mentality destroys our kids growth.

At every level I have had to sit kids down and talk to them about how they are not going to play much, if even at all.
That's fine, but nowadays, it may be required that hey are offered a safe space to cope. :grimace:
 
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Knight Shift

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The everyone gets a trophy mentality destroys our kids growth.

At every level I have had to sit kids down and talk to them about how they are not going to play much, if even at all.
And it has been said here several times--Hayden Rettig epitomizes "team player" and excellent team mate. I noticed that he went out to JJ Denman when he got on the cart Saturday--Hayden will do well in life.
 
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Knight Shift

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I have had to sit in those types of meetings.
Parents are terrible today. Remember when we were kids, if you did not make the team or get to start, parents would say--better luck next time, and work hard and you will be rewarded. Today--some practically come armed with a lawyer or challenge every decision of the coaches because little Johnny deserves better.
 

gef21

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Parents are terrible today. Remember when we were kids, if you did not make the team or get to start, parents would say--better luck next time, and work hard and you will be rewarded. Today--some practically come armed with a lawyer or challenge every decision of the coaches because little Johnny deserves better.

At the high school level we keep the parents highly involved, informed, and educated on not only our try out process but how all of our systems work. It actually has helped keep the parents causing issues to a minimum.

I have had parents call meetings with administrators, and parents attempt to become physical, but I always have everything I need to defend any choice I made.
 
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miketd1

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I have no problem with participation trophies up until a certain age/grade.

You don't want a kid to quit sports/extra-curricular activities because they weren't mature enough to handle rejection.

But by kindergarten, kids are aware enough to know the difference between a podium finish and a participation ribbon -- no need to sugar coat at that point.
 

cicero grimes

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My theory. After he lost the QB job in the fall he told the coaches he would graduate and transfer as a couple of other posters also suggested. Based upon the fact he has no future here the coaches have decided to bury him. I think based upon the fact that no one else has been capable of consistently moving the ball in the last 4 weeks he should at least have a shot at running the the offense but perhaps the coaches feel the reps are better spent on someone who will be here next year. It is curious that he never see the field even when we are behinf by 11 touchdowns or so.
 
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miketd1

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My theory. After he lost the QB job in the fall he told the coaches he would graduate and transfer as a couple of other posters also suggested. Based upon the fact he has no future here the coaches have decided to bury him. I think based upon the fact that no one else has been capable of consistently moving the ball in the last 4 weeks he should at least have a shot at running the the offense but perhaps the coaches feel the reps are better spent on someone who will be here next year. It is curious that he never see the field even when we are behinf by 11 touchdowns or so.
Bury him? Or preserve his eligibility..?
 
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drewbagel423

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Parents are terrible today. Remember when we were kids, if you did not make the team or get to start, parents would say--better luck next time, and work hard and you will be rewarded. Today--some practically come armed with a lawyer or challenge every decision of the coaches because little Johnny deserves better.
I'm not disagreeing with you here, but as a new parent I'm curious - does there exist some age, below which, that winning and losing are less important than playing, enjoying & learning the game? Again, I'm talking about the pre-high school years.

EDIT: Saw miketd1's response after I posted mine. Still not sure at what point that line exists.
 

Knight Shift

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I'm not disagreeing with you here, but as a new parent I'm curious - does there exist some age, below which, that winning and losing are less important than playing, enjoying & learning the game? Again, I'm talking about the pre-high school years.
Well, now there are rec sports, and it seems there are "travel" or "league" sports for at least soccer and baseball. I don't know about lacrosse. At the travel level, all kids play equal time, and there is a heavy emphasis on enjoying and learning the game. My kids were never interested in travel and/or league teams, and one of them may have been on the cusp of that level anyway. I am happy that they are both outstanding students and good kids, and that I got to share time coaching their teams and having fun doing it. YMMV depending on your town and who the head coach is. Even at the rec level, some coaches thought they were Dusty Baker or Joe Maddon making a run for the world series. It was pretty hilarious.
 

gef21

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Well, now there are rec sports, and it seems there are "travel" or "league" sports for at least soccer and baseball. I don't know about lacrosse. At the travel level, all kids play equal time, and there is a heavy emphasis on enjoying and learning the game. My kids were never interested in travel and/or league teams, and one of them may have been on the cusp of that level anyway. I am happy that they are both outstanding students and good kids, and that I got to share time coaching their teams and having fun doing it. YMMV depending on your town and who the head coach is. Even at the rec level, some coaches thought they were Dusty Baker or Joe Maddon making a run for the world series. It was pretty hilarious.

I think everything should be instructional, controlled, and equal playing time until about 3rd grade. After that I am anti participation trophies.
 
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kupuna133

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I'm not disagreeing with you here, but as a new parent I'm curious - does there exist some age, below which, that winning and losing are less important than playing, enjoying & learning the game? Again, I'm talking about the pre-high school years.

EDIT: Saw miketd1's response after I posted mine. Still not sure at what point that line exists.
As others have said it depends on the level of competition. Rec in town athletics equal participation is fine. When it starts getting more competitive ie. travel, club, AAU type of competition than it is gloves off. The best will play.

One thing I have learned from coaching over the years. Kids have a way of sorting most of this stuff out themselves. It tends to shake out at the 4th-5th grade level. You will always have outliers where some kids have a higher opinion of their abilities but most will know which team or level of competition they wish to be part of. It's the parents that cant let go.
 

gef21

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As others have said it depends on the level of competition. Rec in town athletics equal participation is fine. When it starts getting more competitive ie. travel, club, AAU type of competition than it is gloves off. The best will play.

One thing I have learned from coaching over the years. Kids have a way of sorting most of this stuff out themselves. It tends to shake out at the 4th-5th grade level. You will always have outliers where some kids have a higher opinion of their abilities but most will know which team or level of competition they wish to be part of. It's the parents that cant let go.

The parents who have "parent goggles" on are very hard to deal with. Telling a parent their child is not D1 talent can be devastating to some.
 

Knight Shift

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The parents who have "parent goggles" on are very hard to deal with. Telling a parent their child is not D1 talent can be devastating to some.
On the bright side, it saves a LOT of time to spend time with the kids doing a lot of other fun and interesting things. I watched some parents travel all over the state on Sundays for their kids to play on travel teams. That works for some parents, but glad we did not have to do this.
 
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kupuna133

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The parents who have "parent goggles" on are very hard to deal with. Telling a parent their child is not D1 talent can be devastating to some.
Exactly. I have been lucky that most parents I have had to deal with had realistic expectations of their child. I still remember one overzealous mother who thought her 7th grader was going to be an NBA star. Parents at an AAU tryout had to pull her aside and explain that genetics were not on his side. Both parents were around 5 feet tall and didn't have an athletic bone in their bodies and that was shared with him.

It was a real shame because the son was one of the hardest working fun kids to be around but his parents particularly his mother put undue pressure on him.
 

gef21

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Exactly. I have been lucky that most parents I have had to deal with had realistic expectations of their child. I still remember one overzealous mother who thought her 7th grader was going to be an NBA star. Parents at an AAU tryout had to pull her aside and explain that genetics were not on his side. Both parents were around 5 feet tall and didn't have an athletic bone in their bodies and that was shared with him.

It was a real shame because the son was one of the hardest working fun kids to be around but his parents particularly his mother put undue pressure on him.

The Matheny Manifesto is a great book that focuses on this topic. Within their code of conduct the child will be removed from the program if the parents violate the contract not just the athletes. I wish I could institute that at the high school level.
 

c_husk

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DPerhaps consider when cam cameron came and he went to a spread he was never going to see the field .
Hey very similar to Mehringer here. Its simply not in his best interest to have a non running qb succeed. Or for that matter a player from the past failed program
Now we center on the offensive guru Flood who is crucified universally for his lack of judgement to be the arbitor of Rettgs abilities. You may remember Chris was very well liked, Kyle was insecure, as is Drew now so they take the path of least resistance
As to Mehringer he is a one trick pony and if ""'' his offense fails""'' he is probably unhirable.
So in essence the choice is find the player who gives your offense the best chance of making you look better not the best player regardless of schemes

my opinion anyway and the doghouse here is very deep

I have yet to see his one trick.
 
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RedSpartan

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CL highlights include throwing the ball out of bounce, scrambling to the line of scrimmage, and taking a shotgun snap and not getting tackled for a loss.......sorry but he has had 18games to prove himself and in 18 games no improvement in his play....next man up.

Don't forget spiking the ball on fourth down.
 
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FanuSanu52

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Funny--that is the second time I saw someone use the phrase "remains and athlete" when scrambling. I am not looking to insult anyone, but what does a QB become if he does not remain an athlete when scrambling?

Tackling dummy?

Bag o bricks?
 

FanuSanu52

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I have no problem with participation trophies up until a certain age/grade.

You don't want a kid to quit sports/extra-curricular activities because they weren't mature enough to handle rejection.

But by kindergarten, kids are aware enough to know the difference between a podium finish and a participation ribbon -- no need to sugar coat at that point.

Kindergarten? Lot of kids don't even start organized sports before Kindergarten.