Did the Hurleys Play Hobbs ?
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Hurley has done this twice now. But this time he let out all the stops in making it publicly appear that he really wanted the job and it was merely a case of making sure Rutgers had the commitment to go big time.
And then, when RU came through, he turned us down because of the great team he had coming back at URI. I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure he knew who that team was a month ago -- you know -- before he put on a media blitz to get the offer from RU.
And he took the time to trash the RU president to cover his tracks.
All that said, do I think he did it just to burnish his image? No. Because as bad as we look, he doesn't come out of this looking good to someone who might be thinking about him next year. He behaved as badly as someone could.
I just think looking at the situation, he didn't think he could do it. Got cold feet. To me, this was a bullet dodged, and a tremendous mis-assessment of character on the part of Hobbs.
And then, when RU came through, he turned us down because of the great team he had coming back at URI. I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure he knew who that team was a month ago -- you know -- before he put on a media blitz to get the offer from RU.
And he took the time to trash the RU president to cover his tracks.
All that said, do I think he did it just to burnish his image? No. Because as bad as we look, he doesn't come out of this looking good to someone who might be thinking about him next year. He behaved as badly as someone could.
I just think looking at the situation, he didn't think he could do it. Got cold feet. To me, this was a bullet dodged, and a tremendous mis-assessment of character on the part of Hobbs.
I don't think any of us really know the what and the why things happened with Hurley but I am glad it didn't happen.
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Let it go...we have a new coach; focus and obsess on him
If it really becomes the general consensus that Hurley engaged in intentional premeditated deception & disingenuous self-serving non-negotiation, it will reflect poorly on Hurley.
More likely, Dan Hurley just is not made out of the internal stuff that it would take to put up with the hardships that it will take to put the Rutgers rebuild on his shoulders and carry it to where it needs to go. I am quite convinced that Hurley only wants to be at a place where Basketball is THE sport... or is already a legendary program.
More likely, Dan Hurley just is not made out of the internal stuff that it would take to put up with the hardships that it will take to put the Rutgers rebuild on his shoulders and carry it to where it needs to go. I am quite convinced that Hurley only wants to be at a place where Basketball is THE sport... or is already a legendary program.
Doesn't really matter if they played RU or not anymore.
Rutgers has a new MBB HC and his name is not Hurley.
That's all I care about and let Hobbs decide if Hurley tried playing him and
someone in the Hurley camp was talking to the media about Danny's negotiating
to be the next RU MBB HC in order to make Danny Hurley look good and RU like the bride
left at the alter.
Rutgers has a new MBB HC and his name is not Hurley.
That's all I care about and let Hobbs decide if Hurley tried playing him and
someone in the Hurley camp was talking to the media about Danny's negotiating
to be the next RU MBB HC in order to make Danny Hurley look good and RU like the bride
left at the alter.
FWIW, I don't think Hurley did this. I could see him playing RU to get a better deal at URI, but I don't think he did it just to get publicity. Dumb move if he did, because he now looks like somebody who would play you.
I'll hold on to my prediction...Hurley and his family love living in New England. He is waiting on BC.
The day the Hurley's start doing something positive for the state university is the day I start to care.
This^ 100%. He cracked once as a player, and would have a good chance of doing so again under the pressure of turning this program around. Glad he backed out.
You could be right Skillet, but I believe his camp played the media to make sure Danny came out of the talks with RU looking better than he really was.
Either way, Hurley's camp was going to make it look like Danny was the good guy here and doing what's best for (Insert RU or RI here) by taking or rejecting the RU MBB HC position in my opinion
There is also the "appease the Hurley Camp" angle. Hobbs may not have wanted Hurley, but he had to make it appear that he made a legitimate effort to land him. Which he did. He also sent a solid message regarding new commitment to facilities via the Hurley talk.
Hobbs put an end to the "you should have hired Hurley" talk. Had this not happened, our new coach would have this hanging over his head, and given Politi an unlimited belt of ammo for his articles the second we lose our first game next season.
IHWT.
Hobbs put an end to the "you should have hired Hurley" talk. Had this not happened, our new coach would have this hanging over his head, and given Politi an unlimited belt of ammo for his articles the second we lose our first game next season.
IHWT.
People will give Hobbs benefit of doubt because they like the Ash hire. If prev. AD was here and same process played out, she would have been killed for not being able to get it done and for not getting a coach from bigger program.
This will be last time Hurley is considered based on spurning us twice!
Also, it looks like we have a solid coach. However back when we were looking to get rid of Eddie, if we said we were going to get Stony Brook coach, I think many would have felt it was the typical RU cheaping out.
Hobbs is looked at with Scarlet colored glasses until his coaches lose their first game.
This will be last time Hurley is considered based on spurning us twice!
Also, it looks like we have a solid coach. However back when we were looking to get rid of Eddie, if we said we were going to get Stony Brook coach, I think many would have felt it was the typical RU cheaping out.
Hobbs is looked at with Scarlet colored glasses until his coaches lose their first game.
If hurley was rhe super loyal uri coach, why did he interview? All BS and self promoton
Maybe I am less cynical, but I think Danny had interest but in the end decided not to pull trigger. He had a strong team coming back and knew it was best shot to get to dance versus taking over a rebuilding effort. If he is guilty of something, it was just being indecisive. If he gets to NCAA's, he will have some good opportunities and this might be more appealing then Rutgers to him. I don't think he set out to embarrass Rutgers or that he did embarrass Rutgers. Just like Lonergan, you pursue opportunities and weigh your options. Schiano did it with Miami and Michigan.
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With Hurley it is possible that he had asked for something that was not provided in the contract offer. Maybe he wanted a bigger budget for assistants, wanted a 7th year with a higher future salary, wanted a % of gate receipts, wanted payments for each game in a post season tourney, or asked Rutgers to pay his $1mil buyout from URI. Maybe he is working another new contract extension at URI that meets or beats the RU offer. He makes about $1 mil a year now with a $1 mil buyout.
Also, it will be easier to become a perrenial top 25 team at URI then Rutgers. There are 5-6 top 75 teams in the A10 vs 5 in the top 25 and 10 or so top 75 teams in the Big 10.
While Rhode Island has some budget issues too, it is not like NJ where every dollar spent by Rutgers is scrutinized. If he gets URI in the top 25 and to the Tourney in 2 of the next 3 years he may be looking at a $2 mil a year offer from a team with a better basketball pedigree. Think a school like Boston College may be interested in him. He would be good at a private school where they can spend what they want without the public scrutinizing. Seton Hall may also be an option if Willard leaves for a different job.
Hurley contract at URI
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150401/SPORTS/150409924
Also, it will be easier to become a perrenial top 25 team at URI then Rutgers. There are 5-6 top 75 teams in the A10 vs 5 in the top 25 and 10 or so top 75 teams in the Big 10.
While Rhode Island has some budget issues too, it is not like NJ where every dollar spent by Rutgers is scrutinized. If he gets URI in the top 25 and to the Tourney in 2 of the next 3 years he may be looking at a $2 mil a year offer from a team with a better basketball pedigree. Think a school like Boston College may be interested in him. He would be good at a private school where they can spend what they want without the public scrutinizing. Seton Hall may also be an option if Willard leaves for a different job.
Hurley contract at URI
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150401/SPORTS/150409924
Honestly why do we even care at this point? We've hired a new coach, that should be the focus of our discusion, rehashing and speculating here is worthless. Its like talking for an hour and rehashing a youth rec game. People do that all the time but in days, weeks, years Who really cares.
Move on people.
Move on people.
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Agree 100% MADHAT, and that is their job. But I don't think they started out to make this a big issue for the purpose of making us look like chumps. It's just that they didn't mind doing so once the process got underway.
Hurley is a losing coach who has never been to the tournament. If he had a different last name and was from Delaware he wouldn't even be discussed.
All hype, no accomplishment. We got a better coach.
All hype, no accomplishment. We got a better coach.
For the love of god, lock this thread, let's get Hurleys name off this board.
Personally, I think we dodged a bullet with Hurley. I never cared for him and he wasn't my first or second choice. Yes, he might have been the "sexy" pick because of HIS FATHER being a legend in NJ, but as a coach, he hasn't proven to me that he was suddenly worth triple his salary from URI.
Now that he has turned us down twice I think it's safe to say NO HURLEY's anymore and anywhere near the Rutgers program.
And even though my first and second choices (Sendek and Lonergan) didn't materialize, I am very pleased Hobbs chose someone like Pikiell who checked off all the boxes we need right now to succeed.
Now that he has turned us down twice I think it's safe to say NO HURLEY's anymore and anywhere near the Rutgers program.
And even though my first and second choices (Sendek and Lonergan) didn't materialize, I am very pleased Hobbs chose someone like Pikiell who checked off all the boxes we need right now to succeed.
The next time the Hurleys do something positive for Rutgers will be the 1st time. -And as far as one of them being considered for a coaching job at RU, this was the last time.
Personally, Lonergan was at the top of my list, but I'm fine with the guy we got. -And I'm also fine with DH staying at URI, or going to BC, or wherever the hell else he eventually might end up.
Personally, Lonergan was at the top of my list, but I'm fine with the guy we got. -And I'm also fine with DH staying at URI, or going to BC, or wherever the hell else he eventually might end up.
If he had done all this without his team spreading everything out in the press and the blogs, I wouldn't have minded. But he took the low road on this, especially trashing Barchi for no reason. In my book, you are allowed to consider something and change your mind -- no problem there. But do it professionally.
Or maybe RU did not actually firmly offer Hurley? Who really knows? Some on this Board reported that RU had its own issues with Hurley that RU needed to be comfortable with before truly pulling the trigger ... like maybe assurances that Hurley would not mouth off at opposing fans during or after games ... or maybe that Hurley would not bring David Cox with him ... who knows? Some reporters said RU offered him - but who knows their sources? Their sources could easily have been from Hurley's camp. Hurley's camp had a LOT more incentive to make it appear like RU offered than anyone in RU's camp.
Plus, did you notice that Pickeil got more years and more money per year than the one of the reported deals for Hurley ... maybe RU though Pickeil was the better coach ... maybe Hurley overplayed his hand AGAIN.
Plus, did you notice that Pickeil got more years and more money per year than the one of the reported deals for Hurley ... maybe RU though Pickeil was the better coach ... maybe Hurley overplayed his hand AGAIN.
Only good Hurley these days is Bobby,who is way beyond reach. We are fortunate not to have hired Danny, who has shown himself to be emotionally fragile.
Coaches always play up interest from other schools. When RU made that NIT run under Gary Waters, rumors of midwest schools coming after Waters prompted Always Nervous Mulcahy to extend him. Way game is played. Don't blame the Hurleys for using what leverage they can muster.
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Coaches always play up interest from other schools. When RU made that NIT run under Gary Waters, rumors of midwest schools coming after Waters prompted Always Nervous Mulcahy to extend him. Way game is played. Don't blame the Hurleys for using what leverage they can muster.
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The fact is Dan Hurley is NOT his father. Dan is still below 50% at URI (with a cupcake OOC schedule and in conference play he is still below 45%.
He carries a legion of a name but he is no Bob sr. or Bobby Jr.
My honest belief Hobbs put what looks like a low ball $ and short contract. So Hobbs can slide away, Danny saves face and Hobbs get what he really wanted all along a proven winner.
Cut the "crap" pie anyway you want to bottom line.......... RUTGERS WON ......no albatross hanging around our neck and no "named" legion who can't win at the A10 let alone the B10.
Good Move again by a sharp AD
PS was the Williams interview just doing ESPN a favor by Hobbs? I can never figure that to be a real option.
He carries a legion of a name but he is no Bob sr. or Bobby Jr.
My honest belief Hobbs put what looks like a low ball $ and short contract. So Hobbs can slide away, Danny saves face and Hobbs get what he really wanted all along a proven winner.
Cut the "crap" pie anyway you want to bottom line.......... RUTGERS WON ......no albatross hanging around our neck and no "named" legion who can't win at the A10 let alone the B10.
Good Move again by a sharp AD
PS was the Williams interview just doing ESPN a favor by Hobbs? I can never figure that to be a real option.
Bobby did a good job at Buffalo, lets see how he does at a school like ASU making him one of the good guys.
Don't forget Bobby brought 2 of his Bull players with him, but Buffalo overcame that not so nice leaving present from BH.
Danny did what's best for Danny and his camp made everything going on look like Danny was thinking of what's best for everyone instead of just looking out for himself.
Twice he went after the RU HC job and twice he went back to RI because he cared about his players ( according to what his camp leaked) [roll]
After all that has happened since the Eddie firing this is where I now stand as well.
Pikiell now seems like the more solid HC who truly wants to be at RU vs the Hurley solution. Although I now prefer Pikiell over Hurley, this situation gives me a rooting interest against the Rhode Island Rams next season.
He's also guilty of opening his big f'n mouth during and after the "withdrawing from consideration" ********.
I think at the end of the day Danny is like a lot of highly rated recruits who came to RU, met with RU and felt in their heart that going to RU would be the right move but then went home and let all the but,but, but people get inside of his head.
Swimming against the tide takes a certain type of person and my view of the Hurley's over the years is that they always play the percentages. Nothing wrong with that but to turn things around we are going to need a different type of person and I am beginning to believe that Hobbs is smart enough to realize that.
Swimming against the tide takes a certain type of person and my view of the Hurley's over the years is that they always play the percentages. Nothing wrong with that but to turn things around we are going to need a different type of person and I am beginning to believe that Hobbs is smart enough to realize that.
If we hired Hurley, the controversy would continue to swirl around Rutgers. There were a significant # of people that would have hated the hire and probably not got fully on board. I don't know if he would have finally turned things around, and now we'll never know.
Look, Danny got what he wanted: We at least flirted with him (and he with us, mollifying a large contingent). Too bad the mutual turn down couldn't have been more amicable. He should be at his peak desirability this time next year, maybe even get to his dream job.
And Hobbs got what he wanted: No one can say we didn't try for Hurley (who knows how hard). And while the initial reaction to Pikiell was a huge yawn (me included), over the last few days the approval meter has been rising. The positive info just keeps coming and coming. A good presser today will continue that momentum.
I'm finally getting anxious about BB.
Look, Danny got what he wanted: We at least flirted with him (and he with us, mollifying a large contingent). Too bad the mutual turn down couldn't have been more amicable. He should be at his peak desirability this time next year, maybe even get to his dream job.
And Hobbs got what he wanted: No one can say we didn't try for Hurley (who knows how hard). And while the initial reaction to Pikiell was a huge yawn (me included), over the last few days the approval meter has been rising. The positive info just keeps coming and coming. A good presser today will continue that momentum.
I'm finally getting anxious about BB.