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BFDCat

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Talk about opening Pandoras box. This could destroy college football as we know it. Not passing judgement if it's good or bad. I guess we shall see.
 
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BFDCat said:
Talk about opening Pandoras box. This could destroy college football as we know it. Not passing judgement if it's good or bad. I guess we shall see.
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Oh no, all the best players will go to schools like Bama and OSU and aTm and Oklahoma where the boosters will pay top dollar.

Wait.....they already do. Nothing will change. Good for the kids to get a slice of the financial pie.
 
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CaliforniaCat_rivals209738

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BFDCat said:
Talk about opening Pandoras box. This could destroy college football as we know it. Not passing judgement if it's good or bad. I guess we shall see.
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I wish that the liberal loonies in Sacramento who are in the process of destroying this once wonderful state would leave the rest of the country alone. This has potential implications on a nationwide basis unless the NCAA says screw you California, which I hope they will.

Football can continue without Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, and San Diego State. And just wait until all those alumni go to vote next time if those schools no longer have a meaningful football program. If the NCAA hangs tough I think this will eventually be reversed in California.

(P.S. Please don't blame me for this idiocy. I just live here. And I did my part by voting against every one of those imbeciles I could who passed this terrible legislation. )
 
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willycat

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CaliforniaCat said:
I wish that the liberal loonies in Sacramento who are in the process of destroying this once wonderful state would leave the rest of the country alone. This has potential implications on a nationwide basis unless the NCAA says screw you California, which I hope they will.

Football can continue without Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, and San Diego State. And just wait until all those alumni go to vote next time if those schools no longer have a meaningful football program. If the NCAA hangs tough I think this will eventually be reversed in California.

(P.S. Please don't blame me for this idiocy. I just live here. And I did my part by voting against every one of those imbeciles I could who passed this terrible legislation. )
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But I bet you voted for the barn yard genius. What do have against those college kids getting a piece of the millions of dollar pie?
 
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CaliforniaCat_rivals209738

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willycat said:
But I bet you voted for the barn yard genius. What do have against those college kids getting a piece of the millions of dollar pie?
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As soon as money becomes the reward it changes them from amateurs to professionals.

Their motivation and values completely change. They are no longer playing simply for their school. Now they are playing for themselves and their income as well. Plus the jealousies that will inevitably occur amongst players will be detrimental to the overall team morale and cohesion.

There is absolutely nothing good to be gained by this for the team. Instead it will generate many new problems that aren't there today.
 
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Sheffielder

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I realize people will direct their anger towards the State of California, but really all anger should fall squarely with the NCAA, college presidents and athletic directors who have rested comfortably for quite some time thinking "because we say so" was enough to maintain the status quo...while throwing table scraps like the cost of attendance adjustment...which, honestly, came about 30 years too late to be seen as a reasonable concession.
 
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Styre

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CaliforniaCat said:
As soon as money becomes the reward it changes them from amateurs to professionals.

Their motivation and values completely change. They are no longer playing simply for their school. Now they are playing for themselves and their income as well. Plus the jealousies that will inevitably occur amongst players will be detrimental to the overall team morale and cohesion.
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Mr. Emmert, good to have you on the message boards.
 
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If EA Sports puts out an NCAA football game that includes likenesses and names of current NCAA players, I could see some portion of the profits being distributed, equally, to all NCAA football players. That seems like a win-win for everybody involved.

I do NOT like the idea of NCAA players meeting with agents to demand special treatment/compensation. This would destroy everything.
 
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CaliforniaCat said:
As soon as money becomes the reward it changes them from amateurs to professionals.

Their motivation and values completely change. They are no longer playing simply for their school. Now they are playing for themselves and their income as well. Plus the jealousies that will inevitably occur amongst players will be detrimental to the overall team morale and cohesion.

There is absolutely nothing good to be gained by this for the team. Instead it will generate many new problems that aren't there today.
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Not that I disagree, but for discourse, the Olympics found a way to manage it.
 
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I think absent quick addition of other states, NCAA will move to quash this by disqualifying all CA teams.
 
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Sheffielder

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IGNORE said:
I think absent quick addition of other states, NCAA will move to quash this by disqualifying all CA teams.
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That's the genius of the California Governor in this particular case - he's specifically signing it into law effective 2023, to give other states a chance to essentially catch up, so not as to negatively impact the California schools in the first place.
 
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CaliforniaCat_rivals209738

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Mr. Emmert, good to have you on the message boards.
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Thank you for that very nice welcome. Great to be here.

We have our secret agent, CaliforniaCat, along with a few others doing most of the heavy lifting on your board. Please listen to them for great advice.

Best regards,

Mark
 
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willycat

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Colter was not right and he caused a lot of problems that we could have very well done without.

In fact, I think Colter pretty much proved why this is a terrible idea.
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Well it's obvious that you agree that millionaires and not the workers should get some of the money they are making for the schools. To bad.
 
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WestCoastWildcat

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https://www.latimes.com/california/...athlete-endorsement-deals-ncaa-california-law

Wonder about the potential impact on Title IX? Will there have to be some kind of “revenue sharing” across the spectrum of athletes and schools, including women athletes? Interested to see the NCAA response to all of this and legal challenges sure to crop up. Impacts on the California schools in the PAC12 which opposes the measure. Will Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA have an “unfair” recruiting advantage compared to their non-Cali brethren schools in the PAC12? Buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
 
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NJCat

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WestCoastWildcat said:
https://www.latimes.com/california/...athlete-endorsement-deals-ncaa-california-law

Wonder about the potential impact on Title IX? Will there have to be some kind of “revenue sharing” across the spectrum of athletes and schools, including women athletes? Interested to see the NCAA response to all of this and legal challenges sure to crop up. Impacts on the California schools in the PAC12 which opposes the measure. Will Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA have an “unfair” recruiting advantage compared to their non-Cali brethren schools in the PAC12? Buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
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I don't think there is any Title IX impact. This will strictly be between third parties and the athletes. The Universities will have no role in the payments for image and likeness.
 
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NJCat

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CaliforniaCat said:
Exactly what is this money that you are referring to? Where does it come from and who has control of it?

This is all very vague.
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The money comes from people who will pay athletes for their image and likeness. Think of Nike paying Zion to wear their shoes, or a car dealership paying a QB to sign autographs. It is NOT schools paying their players.
 
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Styre

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Sheffielder said:
That's the genius of the California Governor in this particular case - he's specifically signing it into law effective 2023, to give other states a chance to essentially catch up, so not as to negatively impact the California schools in the first place.
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Also, the NCAA is a paper tiger. They will never actually disqualify all the California schools from participating, no matter how much noise they make.
 
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CaliforniaCat_rivals209738

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The money comes from people who will pay athletes for their image and likeness. Think of Nike paying Zion to wear their shoes, or a car dealership paying a QB to sign autographs. It is NOT schools paying their players.
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If that's the case, then Willycats' argument makes no sense. He wrote:

"Well it's obvious that you agree that millionaires and not the workers should get some of the money they are making for the schools. To bad."

So this money were talking about is not what the athletes have made for their schools. It's about a brand new stream of strictly commercial products that don't exist now and will have no benefit whatsoever to the schools. Do I have that right?
 
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GOUNUII

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Fitzphile said:
Oh no, all the best players will go to schools like Bama and OSU and aTm and Oklahoma where the boosters will pay top dollar.

Wait.....they already do. Nothing will change. Good for the kids to get a slice of the financial pie.
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At the expense of 99+% of the male and female college athletes who won’t get deals and whose participation in college sports is funded almost entirely by football related revenues. How ironic is it that the Party promoting government imposed wealth redistribution from a few to the many in the private sector is pioneering just the opposite among college athletes?

GOUNUII
 
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GOUNUII said:
At the expense of 99+% of the male and female college athletes who won’t get deals and whose participation in college sports is funded almost entirely by football related revenues. How ironic is it that the Party promoting government imposed wealth redistribution from a few to the many in the private sector is pioneering just the opposite among college athletes?

GOUNUII
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It isn't wealth redistribution. It is wealth generation for a select few athletes. The school's revenues are not affected, so support for current sports will continue as before. But why shouldn't Zion Williamson be able to promote shoes for Nike?
 
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GOUNUII said:
Actually it’s people who ruin everything for everybody more often than not. Lawyers just come in to sort out and clean up the messes.

GOUNUII
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I do think there are good lawyers and bad lawyers; you'll never hear me say all lawyers are bad. But I do think that many bad lawyers create, or at least contribute to, these messes which then require a lawyer to untangle.
 
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GOUNUII

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Fitzphile said:
It isn't wealth redistribution. It is wealth generation for a select few athletes. The school's revenues are not affected, so support for current sports will continue as before. But why shouldn't Zion Williamson be able to promote shoes for Nike?
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I won’t pass laws on the assumption that there are unlimited dollars available to fund both the Zions and the Ohio State’s of the college sports world. If I’m Nike I plow my $$$ into Zion, not an all sports deal with Duke. Duke will follow their star’s lead, sign with Nike and accept less in the process. I think that’s a certainty. Duke is worth much less to Nike without one or more of their leading stars. So yes. Zion becomes an instant millionaire 6 months earlier than otherwise at the expense of the Duke athletic department and ultimately at the expense of the 99% I mentioned.

GOUNUII
 
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GOUNUII

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FeralFelidae said:
I do think there are good lawyers and bad lawyers; you'll never hear me say all lawyers are bad. But I do think that many bad lawyers create, or at least contribute to, these messes which then require a lawyer to untangle.
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Just as some doctors make a bad health situation worse. Bad apples everywhere, in every occupation.

GOUNUII
 
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Styre

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GOUNUII said:
If I’m Nike I plow my $$$ into Zion, not an all sports deal with Duke. Duke will follow their star’s lead, sign with Nike and accept less in the process. I think that’s a certainty. Duke is worth much less to Nike without one or more of their leading stars.
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Yes, but Duke attracts star players on its own due to its stellar reputation and history of putting guys in the NBA. Nike would be wise to maintain its lucrative relationships with schools like Duke so they can have (what I assume would be) exclusive negotiating rights with Duke's top players.
 
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thewildcat2011

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FeralFelidae said:
I do think there are good lawyers and bad lawyers; you'll never hear me say all lawyers are bad. But I do think that many bad lawyers create, or at least contribute to, these messes which then require a lawyer to untangle.
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Nah, you can go ahead and say all lawyers are bad.
 
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Fitzphile said:
The money comes from people who will pay athletes for their image and likeness. Think of Nike paying Zion to wear their shoes, or a car dealership paying a QB to sign autographs. It is NOT schools paying their players.
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Let’s get a go fund me page going for an OC for NU. Oh wait.

Ok, a go fund me page to hire potential NU OL to hawk something to get them to go to NU.
 
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