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Duke recap from JC and TJ. Give it a listen.....

Grades
Offense: D (only the Win kept it from being an F)
Defense: A
Special Teams: A-

CJ's biggest concern with CT is his propensity to scramble rather than step up in the pocket....

Top 11 Players
Jackson
Walker
Van Hoose
Lowry
Godwin
Vitale
Harris
Henry
Smith
IO
C Jones
Honorable Mentions: Long, Watkins

http://www.huddlecasts.com/#!northwestern-huddle/cucz
 
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Duke recap from JC and TJ. Give it a listen.....

Grades
Offense: D (only the Win kept it from being an F)
Defense: A
Special Teams: A-

CJ's biggest concern with CT is his propensity to scramble rather than step up in the pocket....

Top 11 Players
Jackson
Walker
Van Hoose
Lowry
Godwin
Vitale
Harris
Henry
Smith
IO
C Jones
Honorable Mentions: Long, Watkins

http://www.huddlecasts.com/#!northwestern-huddle/cucz
Several times CT scrambled right to where the pressure was. Barely did he step up in a fairly decent pocket.
 

hornetcatlover

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I totally agree with CJ on the scramble issue. He made his OL look bad several times. RT did a good job keeping his man outside and CT ran right into him. Needs to step up and deliver the ball, or see the seems in the middle and attack up field with his legs. I wonder sometimes if he is tentative in the middle due to his previous "lower body injury."
 

Gocatsgo2003

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Several times CT scrambled right to where the pressure was. Barely did he step up in a fairly decent pocket.

Like a guy in his third start might do? The good thing is that pretty much all of his mistakes so far are correctable with coaching and experience.
 
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Gocatsgo2003

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I totally agree with CJ on the scramble issue. He made his OL look bad several times. RT did a good job keeping his man outside and CT ran right into him. Needs to step up and deliver the ball, or see the seems in the middle and attack up field with his legs. I wonder sometimes if he is tentative in the middle due to his previous "lower body injury."

Thorson's injury last year had nothing to do with football, to say nothing of stepping up in the pocket.
 

hornetcatlover

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I know it was in hoops, he just run more tentatively up the middle than he does on the edge. What are your thoughts GCG2003?
 

phatcat_rivals223240

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Duke recap from JC and TJ. Give it a listen.....

Grades
Offense: D (only the Win kept it from being an F)
Defense: A
Special Teams: A-

CJ's biggest concern with CT is his propensity to scramble rather than step up in the pocket....

Top 11 Players
Jackson
Walker
Van Hoose
Lowry
Godwin
Vitale
Harris
Henry
Smith
IO
C Jones
Honorable Mentions: Long, Watkins

http://www.huddlecasts.com/#!northwestern-huddle/cucz
- Good to see NVH get recognition
- If the offense was borderline F, how can 4 of the guys be in the top 13?
- Unless Jones and Vitale had outstanding days blocking (Fitz says no re Jones), then it seems that at least one of the hogs must have done something right to generate all those rushing yards.
- One could argue that Long won the game for us. Perhaps he didn't have enough reps to merit top 11?
- Likewise Vault
- Niswander deserves a mention
 

Purple Pile Driver

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Duke recap from JC and TJ. Give it a listen.....

Grades
Offense: D (only the Win kept it from being an F)
Defense: A
Special Teams: A-

CJ's biggest concern with CT is his propensity to scramble rather than step up in the pocket....

Top 11 Players
Jackson
Walker
Van Hoose
Lowry
Godwin
Vitale
Harris
Henry
Smith
IO
C Jones
Honorable Mentions: Long, Watkins

http://www.huddlecasts.com/#!northwestern-huddle/cucz

I thought Watkins was excellent.
 
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Like a guy in his third start might do? The good thing is that pretty much all of his mistakes so far are correctable with coaching and experience.
Not sure it is that easy to correct early tendencies. It is what it is. He has huge amount of talent but I'm more concerned with his accuracy. It's been good pass bad pass. You may disagree but I believe it will take a season or two prior to him getting comfortable in the pocket, even though he has been a QB for years, but this isn't high school. I do think he has to be learning though. On that one scramble where he ran right to where the pressure was, he misjudged the speed of that DE and got sacked for like a 15 yard loss because he put it in the next gear a wee bit too late. That's called inexperience and those are the things he most likely can correct after experiencing it one or two times. But his throwing and that stuff, it seems to me, will take a lot longer. He will not be getting much help from the WR. They simply don't separate and it's not all about speed. That's not on Thorson, and he probably would look a lot better if he had help at WR...but he doesn't.

I watched Andrew Luck last night. We all agree that Andrew Luck is smart, quick reads, etc. Maybe the best QB in the nation. Well, TY Hilton was slightly banged up against a very good cornerback. Andre Johnson is up there in age. And there was virtually no separation so Luck tossed a couple INT's and looked perplexed. So, for me, it's really hard to tell where Thorson is at. I'm sure he is progressing but some things are out of his control. I also think his read options will be a lot better VERY SOON. Again, I think it's a question of judgement and not being used to very quick LB's and DE's. It's truly amazing we are getting away with him learning as he goes, but a real credit to the coaching and the defense.
 

Gocatsgo2003

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I know it was in hoops, he just run more tentatively up the middle than he does on the edge. What are your thoughts GCG2003?

It was his second game starting against FBS-level competition. Being a bit tentative makes sense.

Plus I'm sure the coaches have told him to avoid as many big hits as possible so that the wear and tear doesn't add up over the course of the season. He's going to have to remain a run threat throughout the year, especially if his passing doesn't come along as quickly as one might hope/expect.

PS -- I'm talking about Thorson's injury he suffered last year, not during high school.
 

Gocatsgo2003

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I thought Watkins was excellent.

You are correct. He showed a lot against Duke, both on defense and special teams. Kid is a great athlete who didn't play DB in high school (Moeller platoons its players), so hopefully he still has some ceiling yet and will continue developing.
 

Gocatsgo2003

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Not sure it is that easy to correct early tendencies. It is what it is. He has huge amount of talent but I'm more concerned with his accuracy. It's been good pass bad pass. You may disagree but I believe it will take a season or two prior to him getting comfortable in the pocket, even though he has been a QB for years, but this isn't high school. I do think he has to be learning though. On that one scramble where he ran right to where the pressure was, he misjudged the speed of that DE and got sacked for like a 15 yard loss because he put it in the next gear a wee bit too late. That's called inexperience and those are the things he most likely can correct after experiencing it one or two times. But his throwing and that stuff, it seems to me, will take a lot longer. He will not be getting much help from the WR. They simply don't separate and it's not all about speed. That's not on Thorson, and he probably would look a lot better if he had help at WR...but he doesn't.

I watched Andrew Luck last night. We all agree that Andrew Luck is smart, quick reads, etc. Maybe the best QB in the nation. Well, TY Hilton was slightly banged up against a very good cornerback. Andre Johnson is up there in age. And there was virtually no separation so Luck tossed a couple INT's and looked perplexed. So, for me, it's really hard to tell where Thorson is at. I'm sure he is progressing but some things are out of his control. I also think his read options will be a lot better VERY SOON. Again, I think it's a question of judgement and not being used to very quick LB's and DE's. It's truly amazing we are getting away with him learning as he goes, but a real credit to the coaching and the defense.

1) Accuracy is the first thing to go when a QB is uncomfortable.

2) Thorson makes enough "wow" throws right now that you can tell he's an extremely talented kid.

3) Both picks against Duke were terrible decisions that are pretty typical of young QBs.

4) Doesn't it make sense that Thorson would mis-judge the speed of a defense because he hasn't played much football against BCS level competition?
 

phatcat_rivals223240

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He's been one of the unsung heroes of the D so far. While Walker, Lowry, etc. get all the ink, NVH is just shutting his man down and forcing the opposing QB to throw to someone else, usually with Walker waiting for him. It's beautiful.

It's hard to look where the ball isn't, so I really have to watch (on 60 in 60 or something) to see how he's doing. I think there was one pass completed to his guy.

It will be interesting to see if we get some top QB/wideout tandems coming at us (are there any upcoming?) and how he does out there on the island.
 
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1) Accuracy is the first thing to go when a QB is uncomfortable.

2) Thorson makes enough "wow" throws right now that you can tell he's an extremely talented kid.

3) Both picks against Duke were terrible decisions that are pretty typical of young QBs.

4) Doesn't it make sense that Thorson would mis-judge the speed of a defense because he hasn't played much football against BCS level competition?
Of course it makes sense. that's why I suggested that's a fix that he will naturally fix with running the read option at this level or standing in the pocket. He realized against Duke that he can't just keep in the same gear when a DE is bearing down on him. He will get better, especially on the read option stuff. The whole pocket stuff may take time as the game has to slow down for him during his progression reads. That may take a couple years.
 

pschatz25

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I'm pretty sure their top 11 is based on season-to-date performance, not just the most recent game.
 

DaCat

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I'm pretty sure their top 11 is based on season-to-date performance, not just the most recent game.

That would make sense, because Warren Long was simply outstanding against Duke whenever he stepped on the field, either on offense or special teams.
 

hdhntr1

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1) Accuracy is the first thing to go when a QB is uncomfortable.

2) Thorson makes enough "wow" throws right now that you can tell he's an extremely talented kid.

3) Both picks against Duke were terrible decisions that are pretty typical of young QBs.

4) Doesn't it make sense that Thorson would mis-judge the speed of a defense because he hasn't played much football against BCS level competition?
I would guess he would be a little off in his footwork as he was making the throw and that would affect the accuracy.