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Bucktown Brown

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We need waaaaayyy more abortions in this country. Not less. I would be in favor of mandatory abortions in the US based on income and drug history
 

WVU82_rivals

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Who cares anymore that liberals are upset about SCOTUS ruling on Roe v Wade?

These lunatics want to groom your kids in public schools, and have drag queens read books to them in public libraries.

They want to cheat in every public election to stay in power, and force you to apologize for being a racist to keep your job — there’s no living in peace with these people.

Stop pretending that you can negotiate with the cultural terrorists.
 

WVU82_rivals

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oceantide83

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I would never know. I would have never been alive.
That doesn't make sense based on your post which makes it sound like you want to abort people based on income and drug history. What if your income fell within the range in which you get to be aborted?
 

roadtrasheer

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We need waaaaayyy more abortions in this country. Not less. I would be in favor of mandatory abortions in the US based on income and drug history
Why not be responsible & get people fixed ? Ahhhhhh never mind you're a Democrat taking responsibility for your actions is asking a bit much .
 

SoCo

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Now, let's talk about treason. It appears that less than 40 people had access. 16 with motive. Should not be too hard to find out leaked it.
A lot more people than 16 had motive. You are assuming the only people with motive are those who disagree with the majority. The leak could have been done to convince the 5 Justices in the majority to maintain their position or to carefully tweak the final draft of the Opinion. The Opinion doesn't have to completely overturn Roe v. Wade to deal a blow to the pro-choicers. The majority might be contemplating how severe or moderate the Opinion should be.

You are probably right in who leaked it and why, but it is best to pump the brakes a little here and let the facts come out before concluding what happened with no evidence yet. It is identical to the Goerge Floyd incident when everyone immediately screamed racism and pretended they knew what happened from a 3 minute video. I sat back saying let the investigation run its course to see what really happened and....what a shock....no evidence of racism was ever found.
 

roadtrasheer

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Big time. 70% of the country is pro choice. All we need is for Biff to open his mouth about it.
I agreed with the 2006 joe Biden for the most part . But Biden is such a flip flopping habitual liar cooked veggie that is controlled by the DSA. The 70% that you speak of also agrees with me but the far left Democrats who want late term is destroying any common ground.
If a person believes in the constitution they would understand that abortion is a state's issue not a federal. The supreme court is not outlawing abortion they are simply sending it back to the states where it belongs.
 

bamaEER

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The supreme court is not outlawing abortion they are simply sending it back to the states where it belongs.
Simply 'sending it back to the states' has 2 problems. (1) some states are writing laws prohibiting state residents from getting abortions in other states. (2) Centers in states like NY and MA are gonna get inundated with out of state women and the funding/staff situation is underfunded.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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A lot more people than 16 had motive. You are assuming the only people with motive are those who disagree with the majority. The leak could have been done to convince the 5 Justices in the majority to maintain their position or to carefully tweak the final draft of the Opinion. The Opinion doesn't have to completely overturn Roe v. Wade to deal a blow to the pro-choicers. The majority might be contemplating how severe or moderate the Opinion should be.

You are probably right in who leaked it and why, but it is best to pump the brakes a little here and let the facts come out before concluding what happened with no evidence yet. It is identical to the Goerge Floyd incident when everyone immediately screamed racism and pretended they knew what happened from a 3 minute video. I sat back saying let the investigation run its course to see what really happened and....what a shock....no evidence of racism was ever found.
I don’t think we ever find out who did it
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Simply 'sending it back to the states' has 2 problems. (1) some states are writing laws prohibiting state residents from getting abortions in other states. (2) Centers in states like NY and MA are gonna get inundated with out of state women and the funding/staff situation is underfunded.
1. Those laws preclude interstate commerce and will be struck down.

2. I don’t understand how thats a consideration for the justices. Fvcking hire more people and expand your clinic. WTF? Are you really that much of a leach on Govt that you don’t understand business to that degree?
 

Pospecteer

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A lot more people than 16 had motive. You are assuming the only people with motive are those who disagree with the majority. The leak could have been done to convince the 5 Justices in the majority to maintain their position or to carefully tweak the final draft of the Opinion. The Opinion doesn't have to completely overturn Roe v. Wade to deal a blow to the pro-choicers. The majority might be contemplating how severe or moderate the Opinion should be.

You are probably right in who leaked it and why, but it is best to pump the brakes a little here and let the facts come out before concluding what happened with no evidence yet. It is identical to the Goerge Floyd incident when everyone immediately screamed racism and pretended they knew what happened from a 3 minute video. I sat back saying let the investigation run its course to see what really happened and....what a shock....no evidence of racism was ever found.
Agree 100% except for pumping the brakes. There is the logical and legal process of finding out what really happened. In that instance, pumping the brakes is the right thing to do. I only wish our society would act accordingly.

The other aspect is the political story. The left explodes and creates a narrative without wanting to know the truth. In this case, they are doing everything to make sure the focus is on outlawing abortion, even if the ability to have an abortion is not taken off of the table.

In reality, it's about the leak. Focus on the leak and if making outlandish claims that may never be proven, I say go for it. In the end, it will not matter, but the story needs to be about the attack on the court in order to change a decision.
 

TarHeelEer

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Simply 'sending it back to the states' has 2 problems. (1) some states are writing laws prohibiting state residents from getting abortions in other states. (2) Centers in states like NY and MA are gonna get inundated with out of state women and the funding/staff situation is underfunded.
  1. What you call a bug, I call a feature. If you don't like it for yourself.... move to a communist state. That's your choice.
  2. Make them pay for it?
At current we are one of 7 countries that allow abortions after 18 weeks. That is certainly not acceptable.
 

Pospecteer

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Simply 'sending it back to the states' has 2 problems. (1) some states are writing laws prohibiting state residents from getting abortions in other states. (2) Centers in states like NY and MA are gonna get inundated with out of state women and the funding/staff situation is underfunded.
If Planned Parenthood is using federal funds to offset the cost of abortions, we have a major issue that needs to be addressed.

My 2nd job coming out of college was selling oral contraceptives. I used to sell to Planned Parenthood. They do more than abort babies and they should separate abortion clinics from their healthcare clinics. And there are other private clinics that do it also.

As far as being overwhelmed...maybe taking responsibility for your own actions should be focused on. The real truth is, abortion is 99% preventable with a little planning. The other 1% is a true medical emergency to save the life of the mother. My wife and I unfortunately fall in that 1% and it was by far the worst thing that has ever happened to us. And every time abortion becomes front and center we are reminded how cruel life can be. Abortion is not sexy, it is not just another thing, and if it is, maybe you are a serial killer.
 

MountaineerWV

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1. I am pro-choice. But let me explain. I'm against abortion in most cases. Medical problems where death is likely for the mother, or rape/incest of a child, etc. I also think that partial-birth abortions and other late-term abortions (non-medical) are brutal and should never be allowed to be done.

2. The hypocrisy of both sides is what fires me up. On one side, you have a group who preach "my body, my choice"...........WTF am I saying, BOTH sides preach this.....one for abortion and one for vaccines. Yet both sides will take up the opposite side of this argument as long as it fits them and their desires.

It's simple:

Liberals, if you want abortions, then don't force people to take a vaccine that is still in experimental stages and claim its "the right thing" to do for keeping people safe.....even if it may hurt the person who takes it or doesn't actually prevent the spread of the virus.

Conservatives, don't tell people they cannot force you to do something because it's "your body", but then try and dictate medical procedures, like abortion, for people who see it as their only option. (again, before blowing up, see my stance) Where does this stop? Do we charge an expected mother with child abuse or murder if they take drugs or smoke during pregnancy, resulting in a birth of a child that is mentally/physically disabled or stillborn?


I don't care what the Court rules on this. Doesn't change my mind. I also don't care about the leak, because I have learned to expect leaks in today's times. BOTH sides will leak information, especially if it means they could potentially gain political power. It is no coincidence that the leak took place before many primaries.
 

dave

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We need waaaaayyy more abortions in this country. Not less. I would be in favor of mandatory abortions in the US based on income and drug history
Or you can just do America a favor and move to China where soft kvnts are rewarded.
 

dave

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1. I am pro-choice. But let me explain. I'm against abortion in most cases. Medical problems where death is likely for the mother, or rape/incest of a child, etc. I also think that partial-birth abortions and other late-term abortions (non-medical) are brutal and should never be allowed to be done.

2. The hypocrisy of both sides is what fires me up. On one side, you have a group who preach "my body, my choice"...........WTF am I saying, BOTH sides preach this.....one for abortion and one for vaccines. Yet both sides will take up the opposite side of this argument as long as it fits them and their desires.

It's simple:

Liberals, if you want abortions, then don't force people to take a vaccine that is still in experimental stages and claim its "the right thing" to do for keeping people safe.....even if it may hurt the person who takes it or doesn't actually prevent the spread of the virus.

Conservatives, don't tell people they cannot force you to do something because it's "your body", but then try and dictate medical procedures, like abortion, for people who see it as their only option. (again, before blowing up, see my stance) Where does this stop? Do we charge an expected mother with child abuse or murder if they take drugs or smoke during pregnancy, resulting in a birth of a child that is mentally/physically disabled or stillborn?


I don't care what the Court rules on this. Doesn't change my mind. I also don't care about the leak, because I have learned to expect leaks in today's times. BOTH sides will leak information, especially if it means they could potentially gain political power. It is no coincidence that the leak took place before many primaries.
My body my choice might carry some weight with me in regards to irresponsible preggos looking for post stupidity birth control except its not their body they are choosing to affect. They want to kill the baby they created via their own stupidity.

Now in regards to medical and incest I think we will find common ground. If we can eliminate abortion to simply those instances we will see a small fraction of cases.
 

MountaineerWV

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My body my choice might carry some weight with me in regards to irresponsible preggos looking for post stupidity birth control except its not their body they are choosing to affect. They want to kill the baby they created via their own stupidity.

Now in regards to medical and incest I think we will find common ground. If we can eliminate abortion to simply those instances we will see a small fraction of cases.
For clarification, I'm not supporting those women who go and get an abortion because they were slutting around and got pregnant. Adoption should be the alternative for them.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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1. I am pro-choice. But let me explain. I'm against abortion in most cases. Medical problems where death is likely for the mother, or rape/incest of a child, etc. I also think that partial-birth abortions and other late-term abortions (non-medical) are brutal and should never be allowed to be done.

2. The hypocrisy of both sides is what fires me up. On one side, you have a group who preach "my body, my choice"...........WTF am I saying, BOTH sides preach this.....one for abortion and one for vaccines. Yet both sides will take up the opposite side of this argument as long as it fits them and their desires.

It's simple:

Liberals, if you want abortions, then don't force people to take a vaccine that is still in experimental stages and claim its "the right thing" to do for keeping people safe.....even if it may hurt the person who takes it or doesn't actually prevent the spread of the virus.

Conservatives, don't tell people they cannot force you to do something because it's "your body", but then try and dictate medical procedures, like abortion, for people who see it as their only option. (again, before blowing up, see my stance) Where does this stop? Do we charge an expected mother with child abuse or murder if they take drugs or smoke during pregnancy, resulting in a birth of a child that is mentally/physically disabled or stillborn?


I don't care what the Court rules on this. Doesn't change my mind. I also don't care about the leak, because I have learned to expect leaks in today's times. BOTH sides will leak information, especially if it means they could potentially gain political power. It is no coincidence that the leak took place before many primaries.
Good post. Something that’s never discussed and should be are the rights of the father as well. I don’t believe women should be allowed to abort a pregnancy without mutual consent of the father.
 

Pospecteer

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1. I am pro-choice. But let me explain. I'm against abortion in most cases. Medical problems where death is likely for the mother, or rape/incest of a child, etc. I also think that partial-birth abortions and other late-term abortions (non-medical) are brutal and should never be allowed to be done.

2. The hypocrisy of both sides is what fires me up. On one side, you have a group who preach "my body, my choice"...........WTF am I saying, BOTH sides preach this.....one for abortion and one for vaccines. Yet both sides will take up the opposite side of this argument as long as it fits them and their desires.

It's simple:

Liberals, if you want abortions, then don't force people to take a vaccine that is still in experimental stages and claim its "the right thing" to do for keeping people safe.....even if it may hurt the person who takes it or doesn't actually prevent the spread of the virus.

Conservatives, don't tell people they cannot force you to do something because it's "your body", but then try and dictate medical procedures, like abortion, for people who see it as their only option. (again, before blowing up, see my stance) Where does this stop? Do we charge an expected mother with child abuse or murder if they take drugs or smoke during pregnancy, resulting in a birth of a child that is mentally/physically disabled or stillborn?


I don't care what the Court rules on this. Doesn't change my mind. I also don't care about the leak, because I have learned to expect leaks in today's times. BOTH sides will leak information, especially if it means they could potentially gain political power. It is no coincidence that the leak took place before many primaries.
Abortion and a vaccine is apples and oranges. One does not impact the other.

Abortion is also not all or none:
  • For those with a stance that there should be zero abortions don't understand that in rare instances, it is a needed medical procedure, but should be the last resort every time it is used. As stated, my wife had to have one at 23 weeks in Ohio. It was the worst day of our lives. That day is as vivid in my memory as any day in my life. It was pure hell. We should have caught the issue earlier but we had just moved and needed to change OB's.
  • For those that think abortion should be as common as a filling a cavity, they are way off base. NY and other states that allow abortion up to birth is really killing a child. No way around it. That should never be the case. There is no medical benefit for this.
  • The majority of the left act like it's a rite of passage. they have no idea. With contraception and Plan B available, there should not be any need to have an abortion if you are not considered mentally handicapped.
Not all leaks are created equal:
  • This was not a normal leak. Anyone who thinks this is just another leak does not see the impact moving forward. If America is divided now, wait until the SCOTUS loses it's place at the table. That leaves Congress and the Executive branches to do whatever they want...which quite honestly ends our representative gov.
 

MountaineerWV

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Good post. Something that’s never discussed and should be are the rights of the father as well. I don’t believe women should be allowed to abort a pregnancy without mutual consent of the father.
Absolutely. It takes two to make a baby. Well, in most cases.
 

TarHeelEer

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This was leaked for a reason. The mid terms calculus just changed. Abortion just became THE campaign issue
Shakes up the mid-terms a bit as stated above in this thread. Dumb move by Alito
Big time. 70% of the country is pro choice. All we need is for Biff to open his mouth about it.

I've been thinking about this. Most people where abortion is the issue vote every election. GenZ-ers are more pro-life than prior generations. Of course the Dems will clobber this issue until November, but I don't think it moves the needle that much, compared to...

The economy is going to be in recession, inflation will not have stopped, Ukraine and Russia will still be fighting, we might even have boots on the ground by then, global food shortages, etc.

Dems are still going to pay the price for the economy/war.