Manchin is right......

MountaineerWV

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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
 

ThePunish-EER

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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
The entire bill is a waste of tax money. Nobody has told us why we need this bill at all. It’s all about piggybacking secret agenda by Democrats that will ultimately make them more powerful, more money, and to keep them in office.
 

dave

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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
I need a refresher as to why kids earn one a tax credit at all.

I get giving a taxpayer a deduction per dependant but then on top of that we give them money whether they paid the amount in taxes or not for kids?
 
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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
amen
 

DvlDog4WVU

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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
No.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I’ll add, I think parents sending their kids to private school below a certain income level should get a tax credit.
 

ThePunish-EER

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I need a refresher as to why kids earn one a tax credit at all.

I get giving a taxpayer a deduction per dependant but then on top of that we give them money whether they paid the amount in taxes or not for kids?
I’d rather see teaching safe sex or abstinence altogether before tax dollars given for child credit. Self responsibility is lacking in our society. “If you’re willing to play, be willing to pay” should be the motto.
 

SoCo

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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
That assumes people making $50-70K annually really need it. How many of them a driving nicer cars than they can afford and living a lifestyle above their means?

Handouts from the government shouldn't be income based. They should be need based.
 
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ThePunish-EER

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That assumes people making $50-70K annually really need it. How many of them a driving nicer cars than they can't afford and living a lifestyle above their means?

Handouts from the government shouldn't be income based. They should be need based.
Exactly. Until I see bread lines, no available jobs, and people giving up luxuries like cell phones, internet, tattoos, vehicles, etc., we do NOT need tax dollars given to help anyone. Take some personal responsibility and get a job. Get educated and pay for it through loans. Work 2 jobs if needed.
 

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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
Everybody already gets a child tax credit. Stop the insanity. No need for another one on top of the one already in place. Those of us who pay the highest rate should get a tax credit for paying more than Moe
 

oceantide83

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Get rid of the tax credit. If you can't afford a kid, don't have a kid. Heaven forbid people be asked to plan ahead and take personal responsibility for their actions.
 

oceantide83

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Exactly. Until I see bread lines, no available jobs, and people giving up luxuries like cell phones, internet, tattoos, vehicles, etc., we do NOT need tax dollars given to help anyone. Take some personal responsibility and get a job. Get educated and pay for it through loans. Work 2 jobs if needed.
Hear! Hear! Bring back the draft.
 

MountaineerWV

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The entire bill is a waste of tax money. Nobody has told us why we need this bill at all. It’s all about piggybacking secret agenda by Democrats that will ultimately make them more powerful, more money, and to keep them in office.
I think they may be trying to do a stand-alone bill for the Child credit, which to be honest, is something that has been on our tax returns and just got a bit higher last year.
 

ThePunish-EER

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I think they may be trying to do a stand-alone bill for the Child credit, which to be honest, is something that has been on our tax returns and just got a bit higher last year.
I know, I have kids. Trump had it increased to double what it was. Funny, we never hear that from our joke of msm or the Democrats
 

roadtrasheer

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"Do you believe people making $200,000 and $400,000 should still get the child tax credit the same as someone making $50,000, $60,000, or $70,000 that really needs it?"

Someone making $200,000+ per year probably isn't struggling. It's just wasteful spending to print more money for this group.
Wow , I hope I can articulate this the way I want .
Why is it the responsibility of a person making 200,000 a year to help raise your child ?
Why should a person get something they did not earn ?
Most people who get big tax credits will not spend it on things of need for the kids , I know this ,I buy guns every year very very cheap because of this .
God knows I was raised very poor & I'm not rich now but I see no need in giving what I earn to someone else. Why does people who wont work the overtime, wont sacrifice to earn get a hand out? Those people joe is talking about is no different than me , I work hard , I go places I dont want to go & work for people I don't necessarily like , they can to .
Yes when my kids was young I got child tax credits, I averaged 70,000 a year because of overtime , working 7 days a week. A tax credit to all with kids no more for joe who dont try than for Bob who works overtime in his own shop .
We are rewarding laziness & lack of work ethics in the name of child welfare.
I wanted more as an adult, I wanted more for my kids .
I work harder , I work longer shifts, I paid for my kids college...
Punishing people who try hard is wrong.
 

ThePunish-EER

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Wow , I hope I can articulate this the way I want .
Why is it the responsibility of a person making 200,000 a year to help raise your child ?
Why should a person get something they did not earn ?
Most people who get big tax credits will not spend it on things of need for the kids , I know this ,I buy guns every year very very cheap because of this .
God knows I was raised very poor & I'm not rich now but I see no need in giving what I earn to someone else. Why does people who wont work the overtime, wont sacrifice to earn get a hand out? Those people joe is talking about is no different than me , I work hard , I go places I dont want to go & work for people I don't necessarily like , they can to .
Yes when my kids was young I got child tax credits, I averaged 70,000 a year because of overtime , working 7 days a week. A tax credit to all with kids no more for joe who dont try than for Bob who works overtime in his own shop .
We are rewarding laziness & lack of work ethics in the name of child welfare.
I wanted more as an adult, I wanted more for my kids .
I work harder , I work longer shifts, I paid for my kids college...
Punishing people who try hard is wrong.
They have manipulated everyone in this country. Recently I read a lunatic on another message board argue that Jesus was a progressive and it’s wrong for anyone to accumulate wealth at the sufferage of the general populace. Once again, my responses were, 1.) Why don’t they accumulate their own wealth, 2.) Why is it my responsibility to make sure you can continue to waste my money and your life on alcohol and drugs? I think what this person, along with many other libtards, forgets is back then people were working as slaves and suffering. I don’t think today’s average welfare recipient is struggling because they’re being held down due to Roman slavery or because of lack of opportunities. I’d say it’s safe to say the vast majority of suffering is due to individual bad choices, to which of course, is not and should not be the responsibility of tax payers to rectify.
 

Darth_VadEER

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Everybody already gets a child tax credit. Stop the insanity. No need for another one on top of the one already in place. Those of us who pay the highest rate should get a tax credit for paying more than Moe

It's not an additional tax credit. It's just been increased from $2,000 per child to $3,000 - $3,600 per child.

They paid half in installments for last 6 months of 2021, the other half comes when you file your 2021 taxes.

The Trump tax reform in 2017 bumped the child credit from $1,000 to $2,000.

No real argument from me with people who don't like it, but tax law always benefits someone...and until 2017 it benefited folks who over-purchased homes in high tax Democratic states. So a shift to help families in the tax bracket is fine with me, and making it per child is probably the best way to assure its going to actual families.
 

Darth_VadEER

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They have manipulated everyone in this country. Recently I read a lunatic on another message board argue that Jesus was a progressive and it’s wrong for anyone to accumulate wealth at the sufferage of the general populace. Once again, my responses were, 1.) Why don’t they accumulate their own wealth, 2.) Why is it my responsibility to make sure you can continue to waste my money and your life on alcohol and drugs? I think what this person, along with many other libtards, forgets is back then people were working as slaves and suffering. I don’t think today’s average welfare recipient is struggling because they’re being held down due to Roman slavery or because of lack of opportunities. I’d say it’s safe to say the vast majority of suffering is due to individual bad choices, to which of course, is not and should not be the responsibility of tax payers to rectify.

Well then same goes for SALT....or really any business tax credits.

Not my job to subsidizing people with large homes in high tax areas.
 

MountaineerWV

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Wow , I hope I can articulate this the way I want .
Why is it the responsibility of a person making 200,000 a year to help raise your child ?
Why should a person get something they did not earn ?
Most people who get big tax credits will not spend it on things of need for the kids , I know this ,I buy guns every year very very cheap because of this .
God knows I was raised very poor & I'm not rich now but I see no need in giving what I earn to someone else. Why does people who wont work the overtime, wont sacrifice to earn get a hand out? Those people joe is talking about is no different than me , I work hard , I go places I dont want to go & work for people I don't necessarily like , they can to .
Yes when my kids was young I got child tax credits, I averaged 70,000 a year because of overtime , working 7 days a week. A tax credit to all with kids no more for joe who dont try than for Bob who works overtime in his own shop .
We are rewarding laziness & lack of work ethics in the name of child welfare.
I wanted more as an adult, I wanted more for my kids .
I work harder , I work longer shifts, I paid for my kids college...
Punishing people who try hard is wrong.
Well, the people like Jeff Bezos are able to hoodwink the tax system, why don't the average middle class get a chance to do the same with their kids? I don't understand the uproar over this. It's a tax credit that has been in our system for a long time, and was just recently increased. Does it help me? Nope. But I do know some people who do work (like you mentioned) and they do need this extra money, just to make life a little better for their families. Usually they use the extra money for a family vacation, or put it away for college, because unless 1) you are super wealthy or 2) super poor or 3) come from a divorced home or 4) are a foster kid, you are going to PAY OUT THE A$$ for college. The average middle class family gets **** on when it comes to college. That is a fact.
 

ThePunish-EER

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Well, the people like Jeff Bezos are able to hoodwink the tax system, why don't the average middle class get a chance to do the same with their kids? I don't understand the uproar over this. It's a tax credit that has been in our system for a long time, and was just recently increased. Does it help me? Nope. But I do know some people who do work (like you mentioned) and they do need this extra money, just to make life a little better for their families. Usually they use the extra money for a family vacation, or put it away for college, because unless 1) you are super wealthy or 2) super poor or 3) come from a divorced home or 4) are a foster kid, you are going to PAY OUT THE A$$ for college. The average middle class family gets **** on when it comes to college. That is a fact.
The difference is, people like Bezos create jobs. The poor do not create jobs. And trust me, I can’t stand Bezos due to his liberals ideas. My point is, in a free trade society, tax breaks keep jobs from going overseas and Americans losing jobs. Thus, more people become poor.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Well, the people like Jeff Bezos are able to hoodwink the tax system, why don't the average middle class get a chance to do the same with their kids? I don't understand the uproar over this. It's a tax credit that has been in our system for a long time, and was just recently increased. Does it help me? Nope. But I do know some people who do work (like you mentioned) and they do need this extra money, just to make life a little better for their families. Usually they use the extra money for a family vacation, or put it away for college, because unless 1) you are super wealthy or 2) super poor or 3) come from a divorced home or 4) are a foster kid, you are going to PAY OUT THE A$$ for college. The average middle class family gets **** on when it comes to college. That is a fact.
How does Jeff Bezos hoodwink the tax system? He employs 1.5 million people who pay taxes. He pays a shitload of personal income tax as well.

Is it the Cap Gains stuff? The disconnect between his net worth and his annual earnings? I just don’t get the argument.
 

Darth_VadEER

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Well, the people like Jeff Bezos are able to hoodwink the tax system, why don't the average middle class get a chance to do the same with their kids? I don't understand the uproar over this. It's a tax credit that has been in our system for a long time, and was just recently increased. Does it help me? Nope. But I do know some people who do work (like you mentioned) and they do need this extra money, just to make life a little better for their families. Usually they use the extra money for a family vacation, or put it away for college, because unless 1) you are super wealthy or 2) super poor or 3) come from a divorced home or 4) are a foster kid, you are going to PAY OUT THE A$$ for college. The average middle class family gets **** on when it comes to college. That is a fact.

Yeah I dont see the issue.

Family of 4 gets back additional $2,000 - $3,200 at end of the year.

Considering the amount of school closures, cancelled vacations, holidays, ect., and other horse **** going on, that's small potatoes.

No one cared in 2017 when Trump doubled it.
 

ThePunish-EER

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Yeah I dont see the issue.

Family of 4 gets back additional $2,000 - $3,200 at end of the year.

Considering the amount of school closures, cancelled vacations, holidays, ect., and other horse **** going on, that's small potatoes.

No one cared in 2017 when Trump doubled it.
I mentioned that regarding Trump earlier. He doubled it. No fanfare from the msm though. Such hypocritical jackasses they are
 

Darth_VadEER

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The difference is, people like Bezos create jobs. The poor do not create jobs. And trust me, I can’t stand Bezos due to his liberals ideas. My point is, in a free trade society, tax breaks keep jobs from going overseas and Americans losing jobs. Thus, more people become poor.

This is nothing new, and its not just for poor people...first, you need to have actually filed a return. So at bare minimum its the working poor.

I knew lots of people who got the first time homeowner tax credit, get tax credits for upgrades to homes, ect.

I want to get as much as my money back each year..
 

ThePunish-EER

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This is nothing new, and its not just for poor people...first, you need to have actually filed a return. So at bare minimum its the working poor.

I knew lots of people who got the first time homeowner tax credit, get tax credits for upgrades to homes, ect.

I want to get as much as my money back each year..
The best thing would be a smaller government and decreased taxes. Government is too big now.
 

Darth_VadEER

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The best thing would be a smaller government and decreased taxes. Government is too big now.

Well half of our budget is for military....

Then you gotta fund entitlement programs.

Shrinking beauracracy is cool but not really relevant.
 

SKYHAWKBALL

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Never understood why we have a “child tax credit”? So we are incentivizing having kids? I can see it maybe supporting foster families, but that’s about it.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Well half of our budget is for military....

Then you gotta fund entitlement programs.

Shrinking beauracracy is cool but not really relevant.
You have the wrong. Half of our budget is not military. Half or over half is tied to Medicaid and Medicare, and Social Security.

16% is tied to the military.
 

Darth_VadEER

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You have the wrong. Half of our budget is not military. Half or over half is tied to Medicaid and Medicare, and Social Security.

16% is tied to the military.

I will take your word for it, I was looking at discretionary budget...but like I said, shrinking the govt class doesn't solve this issue.

Better off fighting thag fight locally and in school districts. Those pensions hit taxpayers in the pocket harder.
 

MountaineerWV

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The difference is, people like Bezos create jobs. The poor do not create jobs. And trust me, I can’t stand Bezos due to his liberals ideas. My point is, in a free trade society, tax breaks keep jobs from going overseas and Americans losing jobs. Thus, more people become poor.
I'm not saying poor, I'm talking about your working middle class families that get **** on.
 

dave

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They have manipulated everyone in this country. Recently I read a lunatic on another message board argue that Jesus was a progressive and it’s wrong for anyone to accumulate wealth at the sufferage of the general populace. Once again, my responses were, 1.) Why don’t they accumulate their own wealth, 2.) Why is it my responsibility to make sure you can continue to waste my money and your life on alcohol and drugs? I think what this person, along with many other libtards, forgets is back then people were working as slaves and suffering. I don’t think today’s average welfare recipient is struggling because they’re being held down due to Roman slavery or because of lack of opportunities. I’d say it’s safe to say the vast majority of suffering is due to individual bad choices, to which of course, is not and should not be the responsibility of tax payers to rectify.
Jesus was no liberal. He was a carpenter. His disciples were fisherman and doctors. They all had jobs and none of them worked for the government. He threw tax collecters out of the temple on their ***. He was against abortion.

Only a moron would suggest he was a liberal.
 

ThePunish-EER

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Jesus was no liberal. He was a carpenter. His disciples were fisherman and doctors. They all had jobs and none of them worked for the government. He threw tax collecters out of the temple on their ***. He was against abortion.

Only a moron would suggest he was a liberal.
I wasn’t saying I agreed with the idiot lol. Robin Hood was probably the first liberal in theory since he was made up
 

30CAT

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You’re right, but it’s a great idea. After all, homeschooling your kids would be saving tax dollars by less need for public school teachers

Hell of an idea, for sure. The propagandists couldn't vote to incentivize their sheep to remove the leftists' "sheep in making." It would be a HUGE blow to the communists and their plan to destroy America.
 

roadtrasheer

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Well, the people like Jeff Bezos are able to hoodwink the tax system, why don't the average middle class get a chance to do the same with their kids? I don't understand the uproar over this. It's a tax credit that has been in our system for a long time, and was just recently increased. Does it help me? Nope. But I do know some people who do work (like you mentioned) and they do need this extra money, just to make life a little better for their families. Usually they use the extra money for a family vacation, or put it away for college, because unless 1) you are super wealthy or 2) super poor or 3) come from a divorced home or 4) are a foster kid, you are going to PAY OUT THE A$$ for college. The average middle class family gets **** on when it comes to college. That is a fact.
Why are we giving what someone else earned to someone who did not earn it ? Trump doubled it & I was against that . I'm low middle class some years & middle, middle class others & my kids are adults now & they tax the mortal piss out of me if I work overtime, why should I pay for someone else's choices? Our politicians are the ones who put loopholes in for big donors. Dont cuss the players cuss the creators of the game .
 

MountaineerWV

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Why are we giving what someone else earned to someone who did not earn it ? Trump doubled it & I was against that . I'm low middle class some years & middle, middle class others & my kids are adults now & they tax the mortal piss out of me if I work overtime, why should I pay for someone else's choices? Our politicians are the ones who put loopholes in for big donors. Dont cuss the players cuss the creators of the game .
Do/Have you paid in to Social Security? Do/Have you had health insurance? Car insurance?