No. Trump badly mismanaged his incoherent response to the virus. He was slow to accept it as serious but after vaccines became available his endorsement of them was lackluster to be kind. You never saw him out there pushing for people to get vaccinated like Biden does because that would have been politically unpopular for him. He pulled public health experts from the briefing podium and put a crackpot up there with no public health experience whose plan was herd immunity (do nothing, let everyone get infected). The media was rightly all over Trump for all this.
Big fail by Biden...
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Trump had daily briefings for several months led by Fauci and Birx and allowed press questioning.
Biden pushed the 70% goal........why?........Because of the "herd immunity" espoused by Fauci........Fauci has been saying that the country needs to vaccinate 70% to 85% of the population to reach herd immunity from Covid-19.
I don’t know, but I remember him railing in the debate about him having a plan and effective leadership being able to get it done. Turns out the plan was to capitalize off of Trump’s Warp Speed initiative and try to take the credit for himself by gaslighting everyone.
Again, you can’t blame Trumpers for this. Our country is based on individual Liberty so we can effectively live life how we want. Get the vax or don’t. Doesn’t matter to me. Trying to shame me into it is only going to strengthen my resolve to fight against you.
There are a great many people who aren’t concerned with getting vax’d because there is an extremely low risk of catching it and having adverse impacts from it even if they do. Why do they need to get it?
My point (again) is that you say that the MSM was just picking on Trump because he's a Repub and I say he got beat up daily because he did a bad job and didn't push vaccinations enough.
Like the ebola scare and all the damage that did to the American economy? Honestly, that's not a fair comparison because that wasn't as far spread as COVID. In order to be fair, we have to look back to Wilson's reaction to the Spanish flu. Everything else is speculation.
I'm not trying to defend all of Moe's complaints about Trump. Trump deserves credit for pushing for the fast development of vaccines. Messages were mixed early in the process, but Trump wasn't alone in that. He deserves the same leniency I give lots of other folks who changed messages when evidence or situations changed.
I'm going to stop you right here in bold part. There was multiple viruses. Even people on Obama's staff admitted they didn't know what the death rate was going to be and if it would have been higher they would have gotten millions killed. There are threads about it on this board.
Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly.
The Obama administration's ability to stop the swine flu came down to luck, one former aide says
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You are talking about effects years down the line. How do you learn about those without years. The normal full FDA process is a 95% process. Something is going to be missed in any study. There are always outliers.
I'm not sure they know. A big part of that is that China is not cooperative, and I don't see that changing.
Trust in our institutions fading has less to do with their misinformation and more to do with misinformation about them. That's my opinion.
On the second paragraph the government has done their job. It's now up to people to decide for themselves. The government needs to get out of the way with no more lockdowns, no vaccine passports. No mandatory vaccines being pushed through private companies or schools.
They should now be concentrating on the source and investigating all of that.
It has to do with not telling the truth to the American people. There are ways to make the CCP corporate. If Our traditional allies were to embargo everything they ship out plus threatening to decouple from them that would get their attention. Instead we politicians and the media covering for them.
As far as the long term effects taking time. That's my point. It takes time and you can't hit the easy button. If I was 80 who cares. If I'm 25 I probably want to know that information.
This. If I’m 25, I’m also extremely low risk, why even take the chance of long term impacts? What if it has issues with fertility? For that reason alone, my kids won’t be getting vaccinated. We’ll see down the road
Trump pushes for vac shots:
- "I would recommend it and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly. But you know, again, we have our freedoms and we have to live by that. And I agree with that also. But it's a great vaccine. It's a safe vaccine, and it's something that works."
- Trump told everyone to quote “go get your shot” and touted his administration’s efforts to speed up and obtain the vaccine.
- "The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics," Trump tweeted Saturday. "Obviously, they are hoping to delay the answer until after November 3rd. Must focus on speed, and saving lives!"
- President Donald Trump urged Americans to get vaccinated against the coronavirus in a interview in which he again criticized the federal pause of the Johnson & Johnson jab.
- “With COVID cases still rising nationwide, it’s sheer lunacy to delay millions of vaccinations and feed fears among the vax-resistant. Indeed, this moronic move is a gift to the anti-vax movement
“I encourage them to take it,” Trump stated referring to the COVID-19 vaccine. - “Why is the Biden White House letting insanely risk-averse bureaucrats run the show? Just six people out of the nearly 7 million who’ve gotten the Johnson & Johnson vaccine reported blood clots,” the Trump statement said.
- In a meeting with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar — who is overseeing the effort called Operation Warp Speed, along with Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper — Trump pushed Azar repeatedly to speed up the already unprecedented timeline, according to two senior White House officials familiar with the meeting who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. Trump wants some people to be able to get the vaccine sooner than the end of the year.
If people want to beat Biden up it's political fair game. They played it with Trump. Bottom line is Trump did a good job getting the Vaccine out and in reality it's not Biden’s fault people may not want to take it. The Government at this point has done a decent job making the vaccine available and free for those who couldn't afford it. They at this point should only be informing people through advertising that's it is available. No force compliance.
What needs to be the Government's focus now is a 911 style commission to get to the bottom of its source and the PLA's involvement including our funding of it. If Biden isn't trying to cover that up he needs to hold a Oval Office address to the Nation calling on the Congress and Senate to do so. Then write a letter addressed to all Government agencies to hand over all intelligence and information on the subject. Failure to comply will result in the Attorney General charging anyone who doesn't comply. When that happens people might start trusting institutions more.
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My body. My Choice. At least that's what the left says about abortion.
Look. I took the vaccine. Had no side effects and don't worry and give two ***** now about wearing masks or distancing from anyone. But that was MY choice. I have close dear friends who haven't, and may not, and that is THEIR choice. They know the risks, they accept the risks, we move on with our lives.
Look. I took the vaccine. Had no side effects and don't worry and give two ***** now about wearing masks or distancing from anyone. But that was MY choice. I have close dear friends who haven't, and may not, and that is THEIR choice. They know the risks, they accept the risks, we move on with our lives.