OT - Morgantown related.

[DvlDog4WVU]

This really is not rationally debatable.

So, just to be clear, anytime people are mobbed up and not listening to police commands, you’re ok with cops shooting into the crowd?

 

[dave]

So, just to be clear, anytime people are mobbed up and not listening to police commands, you’re ok with cops shooting into the crowd?

The use of the term rationally debateable with someone not looking at the argument rationally was fun.

 

[OregonMountie]

No, i don’t see the similarities at all. Congress is the people’s house. Maybe you’ve forgotten a lot about how our Government is supposed to run.

Yes for orderly tours which up to the day before were given......armed insurgents not so much welcomed.

 

[WVRON]

No, he wasn’t. He died of an overdose on fentanyl.

First time I’ve heard this. Of course it’s not surprising as the liberal media only tells the story that supports their narrative. The fake news media is the biggest enemy we face.

 

[OregonMountie]

So, just to be clear, anytime people are mobbed up and not listening to police commands, you’re ok with cops shooting into the crowd?

If folks had stayed behind the barriers and not stormed the capital then no one gets hurt.....

 

[OregonMountie]

No, he wasn’t. He died of an overdose on fentanyl.

Do you have the autopsy report verifying this as fact? Could it have played a part, very good chance it did, but so did other related actions. Guess the court case will verify all facts.

 

[Airport]

True. George Floyd was a many times convicted felon. He was murdered and it breaks my heart. But where is the out cry for a GD true American who served her country and was executed? Guess she’s too white for anyone to care.

The question that Floud was murdered is up for debate. Guy had enough illicit drugs in him to kill 5 people.

 

[Airport]

Old people suck...

I'm 66, do you know any women who will suck? Asking for a friend!

 

[OregonMountie]

Literally the equivalent of firing into an unarmed crowd, because that what it was. Why her? Why not one of the others? Just curious.

Because she was leading the charge and was the one trying to get through the broken glass....tragic yes indeed, justifiable absolutely.

 

[Airport]

Definitely similar. A person is doing something unlawfully and potentially putting people at risk. Cop tell her to stop. She does the complete opposite. If she doesn't want to get shot, listen to law enforcement.

BTW, you are not a police officer is correct. As no cop would just assume a person isn't carrying a concealed weapon in that situation. Many of those rioters had bad intentions. Enough had or used some kind of weapon pretty much the entire process.


Some of the weapons that were confiscated had been seen being used inside the US Capitol including a baseball bat, a fire extinguisher, a wooden club, a spear, crutches, a flagpole, bear spray, mace, chemical irritants, stolen police shields, a wooden beam, a hockey stick, a stun gun, and knives.

Many of these weapons were used to attack police officers who were protecting the Capitol.

The hand-to-hand combat sent more than a dozen officers to the hospital, including some who sustained concussions and bone fractures. The former chief of the US Capitol Police said his officers fought off the armed crowd for about an hour before the rioters overpowered the police lines

Lonnie Coffman of Alabama was arrested near the Capitol shortly before the attack and was found with what one judge called a "small armory" in his truck. Investigators discovered three guns, 11 Molotov cocktails, a crossbow with bolts, smoke bombs and a stun gun, according to court documents. Coffman, 70, pleaded not guilty last month to a 17-count criminal indictment.

Someone placed two pipe bombs near the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee headquarters, blocks from the Capitol.

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How many white people rioted over the shooting and closed down DC after that? I do agree that once you cross the barrier, you are breaking the law. We need to start shooting all those in Seattle, Portland etc who did and do the same thing.

 

[Airport]

Yes for orderly tours which up to the day before were given......armed insurgents not so much welcomed.

I agree with you that once the barrier was crossed, you are breaking the law. Just wished that law enforcement was allowed to do it's job elsewhere in the US. Maybe if they had, people wouldn't feel emboldened to do what they did on the 6th. How do you feel about Kyle Rittenhouse? Did he have a right to defend himself?

 

[Airport]

Do you have the autopsy report verifying this as fact? Could it have played a part, very good chance it did, but so did other related actions. Guess the court case will verify all facts.

The autopsy report showed enough drugs in him to kill 5 people. The trouble is, he was an addicted lowlife scum who should never be mourned. Held a pregnant woman at gunpoint, on her stomach, while robbing her. Fine upstanding person.

 

[OregonMountie]

I agree with you that once the barrier was crossed, you are breaking the law. Just wished that law enforcement was allowed to do it's job elsewhere in the US. Maybe if they had, people wouldn't feel emboldened to do what they did on the 6th. How do you feel about Kyle Rittenhouse? Did he have a right to defend himself?

I would say in general yes, but we will see what the facts are in his court case....the question is, why was he even there beside looking to cause an issue. peaceful protestors do not need protecting.

 

[Airport]

Wtf are you talking about? Where did I say a single word about George Floyd? I’m talking about the Ashli Babbitt shooting. She was in fact engaged in criminal trespass and destruction of property at the time of her shooting. She was in the midst of a violent uprising. Do you think the officer was not aware more broadly that other officers had been overrun and potentially injured at that point? Yes, in that setting he was entitled to make certain reasonable assumptions about what he was facing and to use reasonable force to protect himself and others. That’s exactly what he did. What was he to conclude was going to happen when the masses broke through that barrier? What was he supposed to do? Step aside? Get run over? Get shot, get beaten, get blasted with bear spray? He knew he lacked the resource at that point to arrest any of those people. And he was not just worried about protecting himself. He was charged with protecting members of Congress. This really is not rationally debatable.

It looks like you are in favor of police using reasonable force, I am too. Where do you come down on Kyle Rittenhouse? Video clearly shows he was being chased by people with guns. Does he have the right to defend himself and is the prosecutor just full of crap?

 

[OregonMountie]

The autopsy report showed enough drugs in him to kill 5 people. The trouble is, he was an addicted lowlife scum who should never be mourned. Held a pregnant woman at gunpoint, on her stomach, while robbing her. Fine upstanding person.

Never said he was a model citizen, shouldn't have resisted arrest to start w/......as to the autopsy, but did it say this killed him? chance it contributed, but was it the leading cause? Court will decide.

 

[Airport]

I would say in general yes, but we will see what the facts are in his court case....the question is, why was he even there beside looking to cause an issue. peaceful protestors do not need protecting.

He was there, to protect property, those fvckers were destroying other people's property. He has the right to be there too. Once the guns were pulled on him and shots fired, he has the right to defend. He was trying to get away so he wasn't the one confronting the others.

 

[Airport]

Never said he was a model citizen, shouldn't have resisted arrest to start w/......as to the autopsy, but did it say this killed him? chance it contributed, but was it the leading cause? Court will decide.

He said he couldn't breathe before he was even put on the ground. Now, that is pretty typical of overweight criminals these days.

 

[OregonMountie]

He was there, to protect property, those fvckers were destroying other people's property. He has the right to be there too. Once the guns were pulled on him and shots fired, he has the right to defend. He was trying to get away so he wasn't the one confronting the others.

We will see what the court says, if that is all true then he doesn't have a concern.....he wasnt there protecting property and you know it, but that is a whole different debate.

 

[Airport]

Never said he was a model citizen, shouldn't have resisted arrest to start w/......as to the autopsy, but did it say this killed him? chance it contributed, but was it the leading cause? Court will decide.

You probably need to see how much he had in him. There's a frame of him with a tab of fentanyl on his tongue. And the city just gave this low lifes family 27 mill. Guy couldn't make 27,000 in a year.

 

[Airport]

We will see what the court says, if that is all true then he doesn't have a concern.....he wasnt there protecting property and you know it, but that is a whole different debate.

And those protestors weren't peaceful either.

 

[OregonMountie]

And those protestors weren't peaceful either.

Vast majority were, this is just like me saying everyone that went to DC were rushing the Capital and we know that is not true.

 

[Airport]

Vast majority were, this is just like me saying everyone that went to DC were rushing the Capital and we know that is not true.

I think it's time to tell protestors, stopping traffic, burning buildings and disruption of services is no longer peaceful.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Yes for orderly tours which up to the day before were given......armed insurgents not so much welcomed.

Oh, I agree, but these people forgot who they are and who they work for. That’s just a general statement irrespective of the events on the 6th. My point as it relates to this discussion is they weren’t in their home. They were in our house. They’re just elected representatives. They’re nothing special or deserving of any special treatment.

As to the hyperbolic speculation on the mob, the reality is that they broke in and pranced around like morons. One guy, my personal favorite of the events, took a **** on Pelosi’s desk. They didn’t burn the building down. They didn’t kill anyone.

And for all of the Pearl clutching, no one was armed with a firearm. Yet, a single shot was fired, by a cop, into a crowd, and killed an unarmed person. The only firearm discharge all day, in the midst of an “attempt to overthrow the Govt, a coup!!!” I’m fine with it because they were breaking the law and not responding to commands. I don’t think you all agree that that should be SOP.

 

[Airport]

Oh, I agree, but these people forgot who they are and who they work for. That’s just a general statement irrespective of the events on the 6th. My point as it relates to this discussion is they weren’t in their home. They were in our house. They’re just elected representatives. They’re nothing special or deserving of any special treatment.

As to the hyperbolic speculation on the mob, the reality is that they broke in and pranced around like morons. One guy, my personal favorite of the events, took a **** on Pelosi’s desk. They didn’t burn the building down. They didn’t kill anyone.

And for all of the Pearl clutching, no one was armed with a firearm. Yet, a single shot was fired, by a cop, into a crowd, and killed an unarmed person. The only firearm discharge all day, in the midst of an “attempt to overthrow the Govt, a coup!!!” I’m fine with it because they were breaking the law and not responding to commands. I don’t think you all agree that that should be SOP.

Pics of the Pelosi? I mean ****

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Do you have the autopsy report verifying this as fact? Could it have played a part, very good chance it did, but so did other related actions. Guess the court case will verify all facts.

What other related actions? The ME already said he didn’t die from the knee, which is an approved tactic for restraint. Also said that he had enough fentanyl in his system to kill him and everyone there. He also has a verified history of swallowing his drugs during arrest. Symptoms of OD on fentanyl is pretty much what you saw happen.

Surely you’re not going to condemn Floyd’s death, are you? He was resisting arrest and not following an officer’s commands. You just positioned that that was justifiable means to shoot an unarmed woman.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

why was he even there beside looking to cause an issue

To protect local businesses since the local Govt abdicated it’s responsibility to the property owners. The NYT did a great breakdown on this. According to the NYT, they did a geolog breakdown based on all of the social media streams and video, he was at one point providing first aid to the rioters.

Moreover, this is America, he has no duty to defend his position on going anywhere he wants to in this country.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

he wasnt there protecting property and you know it

False

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Vast majority were, this is just like me saying everyone that went to DC were rushing the Capital and we know that is not true.

“Despite fiery backdrop, mostly peaceful protests”!

Bagdad Bob checking in here with the straight facts!

 

[indyrockstar]

I'm 66, do you know any women who will suck? Asking for a friend!

Hookers don't discriminate. Plenty at Las Vegas. Just bring the viagra. I mean, have the friend take viagra.

 

[indyrockstar]

How many white people rioted over the shooting and closed down DC after that? I do agree that once you cross the barrier, you are breaking the law. We need to start shooting all those in Seattle, Portland etc who did and do the same thing.

Didn't you admit a while back that you are pretty much racist?

If someone was looting a store I owned, I would give a warning shot OR just shoot at the person in general. Self defense...

 

[dave]

Yes for orderly tours which up to the day before were given......armed insurgents not so much welcomed.

Armed insurgents? There was exactly zero weapons found on any insurgent. Turn off CNN.

 

[dave]

I would say in general yes, but we will see what the facts are in his court case....the question is, why was he even there beside looking to cause an issue. peaceful protestors do not need protecting.

Which peaceful protestors were those? Rittenhouse shot people who had guns poibted at him.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Armed insurgents? There was exactly zero weapons found on any insurgent. Turn off CNN.

Firearms.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Which peaceful protestors were those? Rittenhouse shot people who had guns poibted at him.

One of which was a felon, illegally carrying, who assaulted him when he fell, who has yet to be charged for either crime.

 

[dave]

One of which was a felon, illegally carrying, who assaulted him when he fell, who has yet to be charged for either crime.

The comedy of this is even in this thread the protestors in Kenosha have been labled as peaceful proteators and the idiots from the 6th as armed insurgents.

Its like words have been given new meanings.

Rittenhouse was being paid to protect a couple of stores in Kenosha.

 

[OregonMountie]

Oh, I agree, but these people forgot who they are and who they work for. That’s just a general statement irrespective of the events on the 6th. My point as it relates to this discussion is they weren’t in their home. They were in our house. They’re just elected representatives. They’re nothing special or deserving of any special treatment.

As to the hyperbolic speculation on the mob, the reality is that they broke in and pranced around like morons. One guy, my personal favorite of the events, took a **** on Pelosi’s desk. They didn’t burn the building down. They didn’t kill anyone.

And for all of the Pearl clutching, no one was armed with a firearm. Yet, a single shot was fired, by a cop, into a crowd, and killed an unarmed person. The only firearm discharge all day, in the midst of an “attempt to overthrow the Govt, a coup!!!” I’m fine with it because they were breaking the law and not responding to commands. I don’t think you all agree that that should be SOP.

I did have to laugh about the Pelosi comment.....as to the one death, it absolutely needs investigated and just like any police shooting should. Not sure why this has not happened to date....

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I did have to laugh about the Pelosi comment.....as to the one death, it absolutely needs investigated and just like any police shooting should. Not sure why this has not happened to date....

It really seemed to me like they didn’t have a real plan, just caught up in the moment. Evidenced by what happened after they took over. Everyone was just like, ok, now what. I’m gonna take this podium, I’m gonna **** on Pelosi’s desk, I’m gonna get my picture taken in Pence’s seat, etc. So yea, a couple hundred hicks stormed and overran our nation’s Capitol. The irony of that is hilarious to me. It doesn’t mean I’m in agreement or support what they did, but I did find humor in it. It was like the worst “coup” ever.

The PSYOP is trying to position Trump as the leader of the Hitler Youth and that our nation is facing grave danger of a fascist regime. It’s all in the hyperbolic narrative being forced on everyone. You don’t stage a coup with zero firearms. You just don’t. It’s literally no different than the rest of country’s mobs getting out of control in the moment. I’m personally in the camp of thinking they’re all bad and wrong, but that’s just me. The stark difference is one side is being labeled as insurrectionists, Nazis, and fascists, while the other is a peacefully protesting, murdering dozens, ransacking businesses, destroying buildings, targeting and executing police. All happening for everyone to watch, and then you have reporters saying how awesome it is to see the people engaged to foster change with buildings burning in the background.

It’s a classic PSYOP. That it’s not recognized is hilarious to me. I’ll freely admit, I’d donate to the guy who **** on Pelosi’s desk though. That’s like boss level awesome. That’d be like getting to piss on Rich Rod’s shoes, but instead of passing it up, actually doing it. Just some moments in history are potentially so great, it needs to happen for sake of posterity. She’ll forever be the Speaker of the House who presided over her desk being **** on by a pissed off mob. Why can we not collectively come together and point and laugh at her for that?