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One of the folks arrested for assault on the officer that died during the Jan 6th riot is from Morgantown. The other guy from PA. Not charged with his murder, but "Assault with a deadly weapon". The weapon was some sort of chemical spray it's being reported.
 

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One of the folks arrested for assault on the officer that died during the Jan 6th riot is from Morgantown. The other guy from PA. Not charged with his murder, but "Assault with a deadly weapon". The weapon was some sort of chemical spray it's being reported.
Just a note: They still aren’t sure why he died. First, it was that he was hit by a fire extinguisher. Then, the ME said it wasn’t complications from Blunt Force Trauma. Now, I guess he died from bear spray, that they’re calling some mysterious chemical agent. They’re also not listing out the 9 charges these guys are being charged with in the articles I’ve read, which were all from liberal outlets. Telling.

It’s not murder or manslaughter though. Also telling.
 

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One of the folks arrested for assault on the officer that died during the Jan 6th riot is from Morgantown. The other guy from PA. Not charged with his murder, but "Assault with a deadly weapon". The weapon was some sort of chemical spray it's being reported.

It's the owner of Sandwich U... he is a crazy motherf***** and not a good guy, so this doesn't surprise me in the least
 

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Just a note: They still aren’t sure why he died. First, it was that he was hit by a fire extinguisher. Then, the ME said it wasn’t complications from Blunt Force Trauma. Now, I guess he died from bear spray, that they’re calling some mysterious chemical agent. They’re also not listing out the 9 charges these guys are being charged with in the articles I’ve read, which were all from liberal outlets. Telling.

It’s not murder or manslaughter though. Also telling.

The only thing that's really telling is that you are trying as hard as humanly possible to excuse the behavior of the people that stormed the capital.

Read the indictment.


I get that a lot of people were just there to protest and that's their right. But not this dude. He was one of the whackos.
 
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The only thing that's really telling is that you are trying as hard as humanly possible to excuse the behavior of the people that stormed the capital.

What?

How is saying that they weren't charged with murder being telling even remotely trying to excuse anything?

My take on it was that, initially, the main stream media, some of the more left leaning at least, and many in our government, also some of the more left leaning, were claiming the officer was murdered with a fire extinguisher.

It's telling that all of that was bunk. That's not excusing what these guys may have done (innocent until proven guilty and all you know).
 

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Why hasn’t the name of the officer who shot Ashli Babbitt been released? She was unarmed and was never told to stand down and was standing on the other side of a barrier and was shot without warning. While she was trespassing she didn’t deserve to be shot.

Seems a lot of violent behavior last summer in Portland and Seattle as well as Minneapolis went unpunished while this girl was executed. And no one is even talking about it. Tragic and sad.
 

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What?

How is saying that they weren't charged with murder being telling even remotely trying to excuse anything?

My take on it was that, initially, the main stream media, some of the more left leaning at least, and many in our government, also some of the more left leaning, were claiming the officer was murdered with a fire extinguisher.

It's telling that all of that was bunk. That's not excusing what these guys may have done (innocent until proven guilty and all you know).

Who cares what the media says. The indictment has pictures and facts. Read the indictment.
 

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One of the folks arrested for assault on the officer that died during the Jan 6th riot is from Morgantown. The other guy from PA. Not charged with his murder, but "Assault with a deadly weapon". The weapon was some sort of chemical spray it's being reported.
What riot? Where?
 

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Just curious, how is this "telling"?
In my opinion, they’re trying to hype a narrative which they’ve been failing at connecting and seemingly still failing to connect. The narrative is that Brian Sicknick was murdered by a rabid hoard of Trumpian insurrectionists. First, it was because he was attacked with a fire extinguisher. Then, that narrative collapsed when the ME said he didn’t die of complications from blunt force trauma.

Now, they’re labeling it as some random chemical agent. As if it was a anthrax or some ****. It was bear spray from everything I’ve read. Basically, the same spray Antifa and BLM have also been using on police. And the same general kind of chemical agent police use in crowd control. They still haven’t connected his death is as a direct result of that. Look how they’re wording the article. They’re trying to infer it. If that was the cause of death, these guys would be charged with at a minimum, manslaughter.

They don’t even list the 9 charges that were filed in the articles I read. The closest I found was some assault stuff. Not what you’d be charged with for murdering a police officer.

It’s part of a larger crafted narrative and propaganda action and its pretty transparent to anyone following the story with an objective mind. It all started with labeling them as insurrectionists. Meanwhile, we had other federal building assaulted for months, and years. Even this weekend. Those weren’t insurrectionists though. This is a crafted narrative to try and bludgeon Trump supporters.
 

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The only thing that's really telling is that you are trying as hard as humanly possible to excuse the behavior of the people that stormed the capital.

Read the indictment.


I get that a lot of people were just there to protest and that's their right. But not this dude. He was one of the whackos.
Thanks for linking that. And no, I’m not excusing the behavior. I’m trying to accurately reflect on what it was and not on what it’s trying to be claimed to be. And again, Assault is a damn site less than manslaughter. The articles and even the charging documents are trying to craft a narrative that isn’t there.
 

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Thanks for linking that. And no, I’m not excusing the behavior. I’m trying to accurately reflect on what it was and not on what it’s trying to be claimed to be. And again, Assault is a damn site less than manslaughter. The articles and even the charging documents are trying to craft a narrative that isn’t there.

The guy from Morgantown supplied the "dangerous weapon" aka the bear mace. There are pictures in the indictment of the guy from PA using the bear mace near where Sicknick was attacked. The PA guy is the one they are really going after.

As for no manslaughter charge, I could easily see a situation where proving that the bear mace was the direct cause of death beyond a reasonable doubt was tenuous. Again, this was a chaotic event and having all of the facts conveniently available may be incredibly difficult. But, come on, let's be real here. If anyone, anywhere attacks the police with bear mace and then an officer that was part of that attack dies, they have to be charged with something. Assault with a dangerous weapon fits and will easily stick given the evidence in the indictment.
 

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The guy from Morgantown supplied the "dangerous weapon" aka the bear mace. There are pictures in the indictment of the guy from PA using the bear mace near where Sicknick was attacked. The PA guy is the one they are really going after.

As for no manslaughter charge, I could easily see a situation where proving that the bear mace was the direct cause of death beyond a reasonable doubt was tenuous. Again, this was a chaotic event and having all of the facts conveniently available may be incredibly difficult. But, come on, let's be real here. If anyone, anywhere attacks the police with bear mace and then an officer that was part of that attack dies, they have to be charged with something. Assault with a dangerous weapon fits and will easily stick given the evidence in the indictment.
We’re in violent agreement.
 

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If anyone, anywhere attacks the police with bear mace
And to be clear, this is the same **** Antifa and BLM were using on police all summer and continue to use as recently as this weekend when they were waging domestic terrorism in Portland on the Federal courthouse.
 

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And to be clear, this is the same **** Antifa and BLM were using on police all summer and continue to use as recently as this weekend when they were waging domestic terrorism in Portland on the Federal courthouse.

I mean...ok...and? If someone attacks a cop, they should be charged with assault.

The proper response isn't "but BLM..." It's "To hell with these ********, they aren't real conservatives. Throw the book at them."

Whataboutism is a terrible way to process events.
 
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Just a note: They still aren’t sure why he died. First, it was that he was hit by a fire extinguisher. Then, the ME said it wasn’t complications from Blunt Force Trauma. Now, I guess he died from bear spray, that they’re calling some mysterious chemical agent. They’re also not listing out the 9 charges these guys are being charged with in the articles I’ve read, which were all from liberal outlets. Telling.

It’s not murder or manslaughter though. Also telling.
Isn't it odd that the Capitol is blanketed by cameras + all of the footage taken by people present that day and yet no one seems to be able to identify how this officer was killed?
 

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Isn't it odd that the Capitol is blanketed by cameras + all of the footage taken by people present that day and yet no one seems to be able to identify how this officer was killed?

No. It isn't. It was a chaotic, out of control event.
 

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Isn't it odd that the Capitol is blanketed by cameras + all of the footage taken by people present that day and yet no one seems to be able to identify how this officer was killed?
Not really. He died the following day I thought and the ME hasn’t publicly released his cause of death, just leaks from PD that it wasn’t as a result of Blunt Force to the head as originally asserted and is still being pushed as the lie.
 

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I mean...ok...and? If someone attacks a cop, they should be charged with assault.

The proper response isn't "but BLM..." It's "To hell with these ********, they aren't real conservatives. Throw the book at them."

Whataboutism is a terrible way to process events.
It’s not whataboutism. It’s applying the proper context in response to a propaganda narrative.. I’m not defending the 6th, it was as wrong as the events of the summer. A mob out of control, fueled by a lie. The coverage of the events by our failed 4th estate is entirely different though.
 

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Just a note: They still aren’t sure why he died. First, it was that he was hit by a fire extinguisher. Then, the ME said it wasn’t complications from Blunt Force Trauma. Now, I guess he died from bear spray, that they’re calling some mysterious chemical agent. They’re also not listing out the 9 charges these guys are being charged with in the articles I’ve read, which were all from liberal outlets. Telling.

It’s not murder or manslaughter though. Also telling.

What is it telling?
 
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In my opinion, they’re trying to hype a narrative which they’ve been failing at connecting and seemingly still failing to connect. The narrative is that Brian Sicknick was murdered by a rabid hoard of Trumpian insurrectionists. First, it was because he was attacked with a fire extinguisher. Then, that narrative collapsed when the ME said he didn’t die of complications from blunt force trauma.

Now, they’re labeling it as some random chemical agent. As if it was a anthrax or some ****. It was bear spray from everything I’ve read. Basically, the same spray Antifa and BLM have also been using on police. And the same general kind of chemical agent police use in crowd control. They still haven’t connected his death is as a direct result of that. Look how they’re wording the article. They’re trying to infer it. If that was the cause of death, these guys would be charged with at a minimum, manslaughter.

They don’t even list the 9 charges that were filed in the articles I read. The closest I found was some assault stuff. Not what you’d be charged with for murdering a police officer.

It’s part of a larger crafted narrative and propaganda action and its pretty transparent to anyone following the story with an objective mind. It all started with labeling them as insurrectionists. Meanwhile, we had other federal building assaulted for months, and years. Even this weekend. Those weren’t insurrectionists though. This is a crafted narrative to try and bludgeon Trump supporters.
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The only thing that's really telling is that you are trying as hard as humanly possible to excuse the behavior of the people that stormed the capital.

Read the indictment.


I get that a lot of people were just there to protest and that's their right. But not this dude. He was one of the whackos.
People have been excusing the jack asses that havebeen rioting in this country for the last 8 years. Ferguson thru the Capitol.
 

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No. It isn't. It was a chaotic, out of control event.
It isn't even remotely possible that an officer in the capitol shot a woman and the person's identity isn't known. Key cards have to be swiped to get in. It's somebody on the security force. If that were a BLM protester, DC would be settling $100 mill lawsuit.
 

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:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: You are hilarious! If not insurrectionists what were they? If they caused the officer's death shouldn't they be charged?
The brother supposedly said it wasn't from trauma. HAving said that, Jan 6th should never have happened. Nor should Ferguson, Kenosha, etc.
 

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In my opinion, they’re trying to hype a narrative which they’ve been failing at connecting and seemingly still failing to connect. The narrative is that Brian Sicknick was murdered by a rabid hoard of Trumpian insurrectionists. First, it was because he was attacked with a fire extinguisher. Then, that narrative collapsed when the ME said he didn’t die of complications from blunt force trauma.

Now, they’re labeling it as some random chemical agent. As if it was a anthrax or some ****. It was bear spray from everything I’ve read. Basically, the same spray Antifa and BLM have also been using on police. And the same general kind of chemical agent police use in crowd control. They still haven’t connected his death is as a direct result of that. Look how they’re wording the article. They’re trying to infer it. If that was the cause of death, these guys would be charged with at a minimum, manslaughter.

They don’t even list the 9 charges that were filed in the articles I read. The closest I found was some assault stuff. Not what you’d be charged with for murdering a police officer.

It’s part of a larger crafted narrative and propaganda action and its pretty transparent to anyone following the story with an objective mind. It all started with labeling them as insurrectionists. Meanwhile, we had other federal building assaulted for months, and years. Even this weekend. Those weren’t insurrectionists though. This is a crafted narrative to try and bludgeon Trump supporters.

So you are objective?
 

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So you are objective?
Well, we know the media has been lying about the last four years. We know that Trumps conversation with he Georgia AG, as quoted by the Post, was a lie. The ME knows what killed him or what didn't kill him. Wonder why it wasn't released? We also know who had pistols in the Capitol. All one has to do is check the key cards and see where everybody was and why an unarmed woman was shot. Probably because she was white and the shooter was probably black since that's all that seems to work in DC Capitol
 

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Well, we know the media has been lying about the last four years. We know that Trumps conversation with he Georgia AG, as quoted by the Post, was a lie. The ME knows what killed him or what didn't kill him. Wonder why it wasn't released? We also know who had pistols in the Capitol. All one has to do is check the key cards and see where everybody was and why an unarmed woman was shot. Probably because she was white and the shooter was probably black since that's all that seems to work in DC Capitol

Damn...... Hey you have it all figured out. I am lucky to have read this. Your views are quite clear after reading this. Goebbels would be so proud.
 

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And to be clear, this is the same **** Antifa and BLM were using on police all summer and continue to use as recently as this weekend when they were waging domestic terrorism in Portland on the Federal courthouse.

Glad you still use this tactic. Makes you consistent.
 

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One of the folks arrested for assault on the officer that died during the Jan 6th riot is from Morgantown. The other guy from PA. Not charged with his murder, but "Assault with a deadly weapon". The weapon was some sort of chemical spray it's being reported.
Was he on the Board?
 
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Damn...... Hey you have it all figured out. I am lucky to have read this. Your views are quite clear after reading this. Goebbels would be so proud.

Why the Goebbels remark man? The left goes there an awful lot and I don't think we need to do that here do we?

Can't we get back to hating VT and Pitt or something?

Sorry I posted this now. Just thought some people might know the guy.
 

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Hundreds of police from all around the nation have been assaulted almost on a daily basis by Antifa and BLM for over a year and not a single post or word on this board from the leftist here denouncing it. Then, one cop dies from unknown causes and all the libbies/socialist/woke/progressive,etc.... come out of the woodwork in righteous indignation because.....it was at a right wing demonstration. Funny how hypocrisy works huh?
 

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Hundred of police all around the nation have been assaulted almost daily by Antifa and BLM for over a year and not a single post or word on this board from the leftist here denouncing it. Then, one cop dies from unknown causes and all the libbies/socialist/woke/progressive,etc.... come out of the woodwork in righteous indignation because.....it was at a right wing demonstration. Funny how hypocrisy works huh?

Its post like yours is why I love this forum. :joy:
 

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The people that did not enter the building,were in their right to protest...I do not agree with them,but that is their right to do it...Now for the scum buckets that entered the capital..Oh wait,is it ok to call them scum bags or scum buckets ??
Just wanted to make sure that I am being a gentleman when I am talking about these scum bags... Then again,being an ex Marine,I have a hard time being a gentleman when talking about scum bucket commie bastards
 

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The people that did not enter the building,were in their right to protest...I do not agree with them,but that is their right to do it...Now for the scum buckets that entered the capital..Oh wait,is it ok to call them scum bags or scum buckets ??
Just wanted to make sure that I am being a gentleman when I am talking about these scum bags... Then again,being an ex Marine,I have a hard time being a gentleman when talking about scum bucket commie bastards
You’re trying too hard. Fine with me if you call them scum though. They’re in the same bucket of **** as the BLM and Antifa loons in my mind. They’re all collectively wrong for this country.