West Virginia Has Everyone’s Attention. What Does It Really Need? - NYT Article

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I'm not sure what the point of saying that is, but if she is also not from a place like WV, and she probably isn't, then it says something not good about the NYT that they'd even assign her to write a story. Even someone from a place like WV could potentially be co-opted after going to Northwestern, then Johns Hopkins, then working for the NYT.

Why couldn't they get a person from WV that went to college in WV to write that article? The fact that that suggestion will seem ridiculous to some only highlights how entrenched the thinking is that only people that go to elite schools and work at elite papers can determine what is good for a place like WV.

The writer lives in San Fran...that's how out of touch this article is.
 

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I'm not sure what the point of saying that is, but if she is also not from a place like WV, and she probably isn't, then it says something not good about the NYT that they'd even assign her to write a story. Even someone from a place like WV could potentially be co-opted after going to Northwestern, then Johns Hopkins, then working for the NYT.

Why couldn't they get a person from WV that went to college in WV to write that article? The fact that that suggestion will seem ridiculous to some only highlights how entrenched the thinking is that only people that go to elite schools and work at elite papers can determine what is good for a place like WV.
I looked at her bio. She specializes in writing about urban planning, housing, transportation, inequality, etc. She writes about how technology affects communities. She has lived in a number of cities.

I don't think someone needs to live somewhere to write about it. Many times you can get a different perspective from someone that doesn't live where they are writing about.

Not that you're doing this, but I find it funny that most on this forum don't do a lot of research on the junk they see written on Twitter as long as it fits their narrative. The people they quote on zero education or experience with a particular topic other than yelling about it on Twitter and linking to some **** they looked up online. Yet you have a writer who has 2 journalism degrees, specializing in the particular topic, and has a positive outlook on WV's future yet no one discusses the points in the article, but simply states she is a carpet bagger and writes for the NYT so did not read.

Shouldn't expected much different I guess.
 

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I looked at her bio. She specializes in writing about urban planning, housing, transportation, inequality, etc. She writes about how technology affects communities. She has lived in a number of cities.

I don't think someone needs to live somewhere to write about it. Many times you can get a different perspective from someone that doesn't live where they are writing about.

Not that you're doing this, but I find it funny that most on this forum don't do a lot of research on the junk they see written on Twitter as long as it fits their narrative. The people they quote on zero education or experience with a particular topic other than yelling about it on Twitter and linking to some **** they looked up online. Yet you have a writer who has 2 journalism degrees, specializing in the particular topic, and has a positive outlook on WV's future yet no one discusses the points in the article, but simply states she is a carpet bagger and writes for the NYT so did not read.

Shouldn't expected much different I guess.

What is the positive outlook? Seriously...where is it? And to the rest of your idiotic rumblings...two degrees..who cares...look no further than our current President....and his family.
 

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I looked at her bio. She specializes in writing about urban planning, housing, transportation, inequality, etc. She writes about how technology affects communities. She has lived in a number of cities.

I don't think someone needs to live somewhere to write about it. Many times you can get a different perspective from someone that doesn't live where they are writing about.

Not that you're doing this, but I find it funny that most on this forum don't do a lot of research on the junk they see written on Twitter as long as it fits their narrative. The people they quote on zero education or experience with a particular topic other than yelling about it on Twitter and linking to some **** they looked up online. Yet you have a writer who has 2 journalism degrees, specializing in the particular topic, and has a positive outlook on WV's future yet no one discusses the points in the article, but simply states she is a carpet bagger and writes for the NYT so did not read.

Shouldn't expected much different I guess.

I think what you're noticing is the breakdown in trust between people in places like WV and people (and media) in places like NYC.

You don't necessarily have to life in a place to write about what would be best for that place but do you notice that in sources like the NYT it always seems to be people from the elite schools and cities writing about what the rest should do instead of vice-versa? When is the last time the NYT ran an article written by someone in WV critiquing NYC?

She has lived in a number of cities? Are any of them similar to any city in WV? Part of knowing what is best for a place is knowing something about its culture.
 

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I looked at her bio. She specializes in writing about urban planning, housing, transportation, inequality, etc. She writes about how technology affects communities. She has lived in a number of cities.

I don't think someone needs to live somewhere to write about it. Many times you can get a different perspective from someone that doesn't live where they are writing about.

Not that you're doing this, but I find it funny that most on this forum don't do a lot of research on the junk they see written on Twitter as long as it fits their narrative. The people they quote on zero education or experience with a particular topic other than yelling about it on Twitter and linking to some **** they looked up online. Yet you have a writer who has 2 journalism degrees, specializing in the particular topic, and has a positive outlook on WV's future yet no one discusses the points in the article, but simply states she is a carpet bagger and writes for the NYT so did not read.

Shouldn't expected much different I guess.
How many more journalism def2rees before she writes at a high school level?
 
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I looked at her bio. She specializes in writing about urban planning, housing, transportation, inequality, etc. She writes about how technology affects communities. She has lived in a number of cities.

I don't think someone needs to live somewhere to write about it. Many times you can get a different perspective from someone that doesn't live where they are writing about.

Not that you're doing this, but I find it funny that most on this forum don't do a lot of research on the junk they see written on Twitter as long as it fits their narrative. The people they quote on zero education or experience with a particular topic other than yelling about it on Twitter and linking to some **** they looked up online. Yet you have a writer who has 2 journalism degrees, specializing in the particular topic, and has a positive outlook on WV's future yet no one discusses the points in the article, but simply states she is a carpet bagger and writes for the NYT so did not read.

Shouldn't expected much different I guess.
Govt creates the inequality. Idiots write about supposedly inequality. The public believes some of this pablum.
 

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typical sheeple response....no good answer so you throw slurs.......BBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

To me it's not a slur...it's just a bigot trying to bully...that's all he does...if he's not taking shots at someones education level obtained, what they do for a living or where they live, he has nothing. He truly believes he's smarter, better looking and richer than anyone here...yet when you question his views...all he has is a bigoted attempt to belittle someone's family...which is funny because my son actually works in NYC, has a nice liberal girlfriend who works in high fashion and just moved into a penthouse appt overlooking the Hudson River, graduated from a school that NYCeer could not have gotten into.
 

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I looked at her bio. She specializes in writing about urban planning, housing, transportation, inequality, etc. She writes about how technology affects communities. She has lived in a number of cities.

I don't think someone needs to live somewhere to write about it. Many times you can get a different perspective from someone that doesn't live where they are writing about.

Not that you're doing this, but I find it funny that most on this forum don't do a lot of research on the junk they see written on Twitter as long as it fits their narrative. The people they quote on zero education or experience with a particular topic other than yelling about it on Twitter and linking to some **** they looked up online. Yet you have a writer who has 2 journalism degrees, specializing in the particular topic, and has a positive outlook on WV's future yet no one discusses the points in the article, but simply states she is a carpet bagger and writes for the NYT so did not read.

Shouldn't expected much different I guess.
You're only half right in your assumptions. I wouldn't read an article created by a NYT reporter, regardless of where she is from or lives now. You dodged and deflected in response to my posts about the former NYT reporter who resigned because she wasn't a left-wing nut like the rest of her former colleagues. Why would anybody right of Lenin read her garbage?
 

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By the way, re. journalism in the NYT, remember the NYT editorial board member and read a tweet that said Bloomberg could have given every American $1 million with what he spent on his campaign and it turned out it was off by a factor of a million? The only reason that became a national story was because of the math error. Otherwise, it would have been just another appearance by a NYT editorial board on MSNBC doing "journalism" by reading someone's tweet. Tell me, is reading a tweet out loud "journalism?"
 

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I think what you're noticing is the breakdown in trust between people in places like WV and people (and media) in places like NYC.

You don't necessarily have to life in a place to write about what would be best for that place but do you notice that in sources like the NYT it always seems to be people from the elite schools and cities writing about what the rest should do instead of vice-versa? When is the last time the NYT ran an article written by someone in WV critiquing NYC?

She has lived in a number of cities? Are any of them similar to any city in WV? Part of knowing what is best for a place is knowing something about its culture.
I understand your point regarding the breakdown between urban and rural communities. But its impossible for just about any news organization to have someone familiar with every subject in every city and state in the country.

If you're looking for that, you're not going to find it. So, good luck finding anyone to pay attention to...certainly isn't going to be found on some right wing Twitter feed...not that that is where you look, but I know a number of people on here are obsessed. So, you may feel that is part of the issue, but I know its not for many on here. They rarely look at who posts something...especially if its retweeted. They just gobble that **** up.
 

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I understand your point regarding the breakdown between urban and rural communities. But its impossible for just about any news organization to have someone familiar with every subject in every city and state in the country.

If you're looking for that, you're not going to find it. So, good luck finding anyone to pay attention to...certainly isn't going to be found on some right wing Twitter feed...not that that is where you look, but I know a number of people on here are obsessed. So, you may feel that is part of the issue, but I know its not for many on here. They rarely look at who posts something...especially if its retweeted. They just gobble that **** up.

It would be pretty easy to contact a local person and ask for a piece regarding the local issues, that wouldnt be hard.

A good portion of "journalism" is freelance, its part of their (news) jobs.

Don't make excuses for them.
 
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Sheez, Manchin has such a great opportunity to help this state and, more importantly, help this country.... and dang it.............you just know he's going to let it slip right away.
 

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It would be pretty easy to contact a local person and ask for a piece regarding the local issues, that wouldnt be hard.

A good portion of "journalism" is freelance, its part of their (news) jobs.

Don't make excuses for them.
If there was a local person that knew what to do, it might already be done. Doesn't seem like the idea are just streaming out of WV, except bring back coal.
 

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If there was a local person that knew what to do, it might already be done. Doesn't seem like the idea are just streaming out of WV, except bring back coal.
So you are about as ignorant as the NYT journalist wannabe?
 

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If there was a local person that knew what to do, it might already be done. Doesn't seem like the idea are just streaming out of WV, except bring back coal.

Btw, the way it works is the Editor decides what story they want, and push the narrative down to someone who will write it...then it gets re-drafted, and packaged to fit whatever agenda they wanted to established before it was ever written...

They know what story they want before the author writes it, see what I mean?

Writer's, write for the editor/publisher, and that's it....its a trickle down. That article was written because that's the article the Editor wanted to be written.
 

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CNN is already running pieces basically calling WV/Appalachia the armpit of White Supremacy.

Trust me, this moment in the limelight won't work out well for WV. They will be vilified as "Trump Supporters" who represent everything wrong in America - racist homophobes who deserve to lose their dirty jobs.

When Manchin breaks from Dems, it will because he was scared of his uneducated hillbilly constituents....when he makes a major vote against GOP it will because he is brave and willing to stand against the racists living in dirty, dumb WV.

Media will be running pieces claiming its wrong so much power is resting in a small state - filled mostly with white supremacist who are holding the rest of the country hostage.
doomed
 

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If there was a local person that knew what to do, it might already be done. Doesn't seem like the idea are just streaming out of WV, except bring back coal.

And there you go again....if you don't live in White Chester...you are not worthy.
 

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Btw, the way it works is the Editor decides what story they want, and push the narrative down to someone who will write it...then it gets re-drafted, and packaged to fit whatever agenda they wanted to established before it was ever written...

They know what story they want before the author writes it, see what I mean?

Writer's, write for the editor/publisher, and that's it....its a trickle down. That article was written because that's the article the Editor wanted to be written.

This is like the 3rd article that has made it to this board that was written to give shade to those who will be losing their jobs due to Climate change...that is all it is....deflect...reshape..create a new vision
 
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I think this article is intentional to set a narrative. The left knows Manchin is a problem for their ultimate goal so they are setting the standard for him so when they need him and intend to bribe him there is a standard baseline to point to so he doesnt expect too much.
 

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This is about a NYT reporter but it also makes good larger points about media institutions too.

 

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This is about a NYT reporter but it also makes good larger points about media institutions too.


It’s a false equivalency to say oh look...this NYT writer sucks. You could name any number of right wing sources and many of their writers or personalities are complete jokes...on the left as well. It doesn’t mean that a source is fake because one of their employees is.
 

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It’s a false equivalency to say oh look...this NYT writer sucks. You could name any number of right wing sources and many of their writers or personalities are complete jokes...on the left as well. It doesn’t mean that a source is fake because one of their employees is.
You just contradicted yourself in one paragraph.
 

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It’s a false equivalency to say oh look...this NYT writer sucks. You could name any number of right wing sources and many of their writers or personalities are complete jokes...on the left as well. It doesn’t mean that a source is fake because one of their employees is.

One writer doesn't mean the NYT sucks, but there have been many instances at the NYT and plus the larger point isn't the NYT per se but rather how some corporate media forgo actual journalism and instead become speech police. Here is the the Glenn Greenwald piece that Rising's piece quoted from. Glenn is a lefty but he's also an actual journalist, unlike so many in the media these days, and he stands up for free expression, also unlike so many in the media these days.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale-and-censorship
 

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You just contradicted yourself in one paragraph.

The writer lives in San Fran where they may lose 20% of their workforce because of remote work. My best friends daughter is an Apple Engineer (OSU Grad, Apple intern) and moved to San Fran last year after graduating. She's from Canton, OH and has no plans to move back to Ohio because Apple will let her work anywhere (after she takes a 15% reduction in pay). And she will not move to WV even though she has been to WV a bunch...this shows just how stupid the article was and more importantly, how stupid the OP was for believing that it was a real option for growth potential for WV.
 

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One writer doesn't mean the NYT sucks, but there have been many instances at the NYT and plus the larger point isn't the NYT per se but rather how some corporate media forgo actual journalism and instead become speech police. Here is the the Glenn Greenwald piece that Rising's piece quoted from. Glenn is a lefty but he's also an actual journalist, unlike so many in the media these days, and he stands up for free expression, also unlike so many in the media these days.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale-and-censorship
Greenwald is one of the best journalists out there.
 

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Here is a piece from Quillette talking about the Taylor Lorenz thing as well as another recent thing at the NYT where a reporter was fired via mob justice. If you think Quillette is some right wing mouth piece then go look at its website. The reality is that a significant chunk of the Left has lost its mind and now regularly carry out witch hunts and enforce mob justice and it happens that many of those people are in charge of mainstream media institutions.

Part of the problem that things are so tribal that if someone on the Right condemns something on the Left then some people on the Left think the condemnation cannot possibly be valid (and vice-versa, switching Right and Left). But to see when the condemnation really is valid, check to see how many on both sides are condemning it.

https://quillette.com/2021/02/09/wi...he-new-york-times-enters-a-strange-new-phase/
 
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Here is a piece from Quillette talking about the Taylor Lorenz thing as well as another recent thing at the NYT where a reporter was fired via mob justice. If you think Quillette is some right wing mouth piece then go look at its website. The reality is that a significant chunk of the Left has lost its mind and now regularly carry out witch hunts and enforce mob justice and it happens that many of those people are in charge of mainstream media institutions.

Part of the problem that things are so tribal that if someone on the Right condemns something on the Left then some people on the Left think the condemnation cannot possibly be valid (and vice-versa, switching Right and Left). But to see when the condemnation really is valid, check to see how many on both sides are condemning it.

https://quillette.com/2021/02/09/wi...he-new-york-times-enters-a-strange-new-phase/
I'm not disagreeing there are lefties that are way out there. Same goes for the right. IMO the OAN/Infowars conspiracy crowd is worse that the social justice warriors, but that's just my opinion.
 

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I'm not disagreeing there are lefties that are way out there. Same goes for the right. IMO the OAN/Infowars conspiracy crowd is worse that the social justice warriors, but that's just my opinion.

The OAN/Infowars crowd are completely nuts, no doubt, but the difference is that they're not in control of major institutions in our country.
 

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One writer doesn't mean the NYT sucks, but there have been many instances at the NYT and plus the larger point isn't the NYT per se but rather how some corporate media forgo actual journalism and instead become speech police. Here is the the Glenn Greenwald piece that Rising's piece quoted from. Glenn is a lefty but he's also an actual journalist, unlike so many in the media these days, and he stands up for free expression, also unlike so many in the media these days.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale-and-censorship
I 100% agree. Its not just news media. I firmly believe the Weather channel over dramatizes storms, because its the time when people actually watch their channel. Any time you have a company driven by profit, you are going to have issues w/ people forgoing service quality for monetary gain. But there are varying degrees to it.

And if you don't think Newsmax and OAN make up stuff to get ratings, I don't know what to tell you. Its not just the MSM.
 

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I 100% agree. Its not just news media. I firmly believe the Weather channel over dramatizes storms, because its the time when people actually watch their channel. Any time you have a company driven by profit, you are going to have issues w/ people forgoing service quality for monetary gain. But there are varying degrees to it.

And if you don't think Newsmax and OAN make up stuff to get ratings, I don't know what to tell you. Its not just the MSM.
Ignore what 95% of all media does because that other 5% over there does the same but opposite.
 

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That's pretty damn low, attacking a kid. Seriously!!!!!!

He's not attacking a kid, he trying to attack me using my son...which is worse...and this is not some Hunter Biden thing...he attacked my son because he could not attack my views or my comments...he truly is the biggest ******* on this site and it's not even close. Hell, even the BL makes fun of him and they keep it pretty basic over there.