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Soaring Eagle 74

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I look at this from the perspective of how to survive a mass shooting situation. I don’t see assault-style weapons, per se, as the problem. I see interchangeable magazines and high-capacity magazines as the problem.

I’d limit the sale of all semi-auto rifles to fixed 5-shot magazines. I don’t know if fixed magazines would be practical for handguns, but the magazine capacity could certainly be limited.

To help get the existing guns off the street, have a mandatory trade-in program to exchange guns with interchangeable magazines for guns with fixed magazines (5-shot). Gun manufacturers might get a big sales boost. Ammunition manufacturers would probably be pissed. Possession of a banned semi-automatic rifle would result in confiscation and a significant fine.

Limiting the amount of bullets a terrorist can fire in a short period of time would reduce fatalities in these situations.
 
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Soaring Eagle 74 said:
I look at this from the perspective of how to survive a mass shooting situation. I don’t see assault-style weapons, per se, as the problem. I see interchangeable magazines and high-capacity magazines as the problem.

I’d limit the sale of all semi-auto rifles to fixed 5-shot magazines. I don’t know if fixed magazines would be practical for handguns, but the magazine capacity could certainly be limited.

To help get the existing guns off the street, have a mandatory trade-in program to exchange guns with interchangeable magazines for guns with fixed magazines (5-shot). Gun manufacturers might get a big sales boost. Ammunition manufacturers would probably be pissed. Possession of a banned semi-automatic rifle would result in confiscation and a significant fine.

Limiting the amount of bullets a terrorist can fire in a short period of time would reduce fatalities in these situations.
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Everybody goes around naked.
 
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Soaring Eagle 74 said:
I look at this from the perspective of how to survive a mass shooting situation. I don’t see assault-style weapons, per se, as the problem. I see interchangeable magazines and high-capacity magazines as the problem.

I’d limit the sale of all semi-auto rifles to fixed 5-shot magazines. I don’t know if fixed magazines would be practical for handguns, but the magazine capacity could certainly be limited.

To help get the existing guns off the street, have a mandatory trade-in program to exchange guns with interchangeable magazines for guns with fixed magazines (5-shot). Gun manufacturers might get a big sales boost. Ammunition manufacturers would probably be pissed. Possession of a banned semi-automatic rifle would result in confiscation and a significant fine.

Limiting the amount of bullets a terrorist can fire in a short period of time would reduce fatalities in these situations.
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Have a mandatory deportation of illegals. How does that strike you?
 
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Soaring Eagle 74 said:
Limiting the amount of bullets a terrorist can fire in a short period of time would reduce fatalities in these situations.
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LOL.....Maybe we can put up "Gun Free Zone" signs. Nothing can be done at this point......unless you take away all the guns. I once suggested using that tactic in the killing fields of our cities and the Libs went nuts.
 
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Soaring Eagle 74 said:
I look at this from the perspective of how to survive a mass shooting situation. I don’t see assault-style weapons, per se, as the problem. I see interchangeable magazines and high-capacity magazines as the problem.

I’d limit the sale of all semi-auto rifles to fixed 5-shot magazines. I don’t know if fixed magazines would be practical for handguns, but the magazine capacity could certainly be limited.

To help get the existing guns off the street, have a mandatory trade-in program to exchange guns with interchangeable magazines for guns with fixed magazines (5-shot). Gun manufacturers might get a big sales boost. Ammunition manufacturers would probably be pissed. Possession of a banned semi-automatic rifle would result in confiscation and a significant fine.

Limiting the amount of bullets a terrorist can fire in a short period of time would reduce fatalities in these situations.
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People that want to will find ways around that - see bump stocks. Need to focus on the root cause of these things and not just keep trying to treat the symptoms.
 
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moe

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bornaneer said:
LOL.....Maybe we can put up "Gun Free Zone" signs. Nothing can be done at this point......unless you take away all the guns. I once suggested using that tactic in the killing fields of our cities and the Libs went nuts.
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Why does limiting magazine sizes get an LOL? It seems like a reasonable suggestion to those who are actually willing to take action. "Nothing can be done at this point" just shows you have a closed mind.
 
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moe said:
Why does limiting magazine sizes get an LOL? It seems like a reasonable suggestion to those who are actually willing to take action. "Nothing can be done at this point" just shows you have a closed mind.
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The problem is that there is tons of clips and ammo already in the hands of nuts......restricting the sales at this point is pointless. I said what could be done ........take away the guns.....I'm not a gun nut and have never been.....I don't see a need for them.
 
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moe

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bornaneer said:
The problem is that there is tons of clips and ammo already in the hands of nuts......restricting the sales at this point is oiuntless. I said what could be done ........take away the guns.....I'm not a gun nut and have never been.....I don't see a need for them.
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The reason you give is no reason for inaction. When Repubs see a big challenge like gun violence or climate change, they just throw their hands up and say that's just too big a problem to be dealt with, nothing can be done. Dems are not so small minded or limited in their thinking and see where things can be done but that results may take years or decades to see. That's a big difference between the two parties. I'd be fine with banning every semi auto weapon available to the public. I'd have to get rid of one shotgun and one pistol, no problem.
 
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moe said:
The reason you give is no reason for inaction. When Repubs see a big challenge like gun violence or climate change, they just throw their hands up and say that's just too big a problem to be dealt with, nothing can be done. Dems are not so small minded or limited in their thinking and see where things can be done but that results may take years or decades to see. That's a big difference between the two parties.
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Climate change is make believe, gun violence is not. when you libs start addressing inner city gun violence, Chicago, we'll take it serious.
 
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moe said:
The reason you give is no reason for inaction. When Repubs see a big challenge like gun violence or climate change, they just throw their hands up and say that's just too big a problem to be dealt with, nothing can be done. Dems are not so small minded or limited in their thinking and see where things can be done but that results may take years or decades to see. That's a big difference between the two parties.
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No Más.....It's hopeless with you......You're to entrenched in you political ideology to have any meaningful dialogue on this and many subjects.
 
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Nobody wants to talk about the only real solution, which is a new approach to mental illness. The Dayton dude was flagged in high school, but nothing was ever done. I would bet that the TX shooter had major mental health issues and his father hid it or even caused the problem in how he treated his son.

Everyone wants to restrict the rights of gun owners and hunters, but they do not want to restrict the rights of those who have mental illness. Mental health is the least funded health sector in the world. Jails and prisons house more mentally ill patients than any hospital or clinic setting in the US. Not all people who own guns are mentally ill, but every mass murderer is mentally ill (they might be able to stand trial, but they are not mentally healthy).

Until we call it what it is "A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE" nothing will get solved.

Identifying and treating mental illnesses is the only logical step moving forward and if that means labeling certain individuals until they are deemed safe, so be it. We already know that most violent crimes are perpetrated by those with mental health issues, we just have to identify these people before they do any damage.
 
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Soaring Eagle 74 said:
I look at this from the perspective of how to survive a mass shooting situation. I don’t see assault-style weapons, per se, as the problem. I see interchangeable magazines and high-capacity magazines as the problem.

I’d limit the sale of all semi-auto rifles to fixed 5-shot magazines. I don’t know if fixed magazines would be practical for handguns, but the magazine capacity could certainly be limited.

To help get the existing guns off the street, have a mandatory trade-in program to exchange guns with interchangeable magazines for guns with fixed magazines (5-shot). Gun manufacturers might get a big sales boost. Ammunition manufacturers would probably be pissed. Possession of a banned semi-automatic rifle would result in confiscation and a significant fine.

Limiting the amount of bullets a terrorist can fire in a short period of time would reduce fatalities in these situations.
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Why stop at 5 rounds , make limits at one round and force reloads after every shot.......Oh, I keep forgetting, criminals pay attention to laws....
 
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Soaring Eagle 74 said:
I look at this from the perspective of how to survive a mass shooting situation. I don’t see assault-style weapons, per se, as the problem. I see interchangeable magazines and high-capacity magazines as the problem.

I’d limit the sale of all semi-auto rifles to fixed 5-shot magazines. I don’t know if fixed magazines would be practical for handguns, but the magazine capacity could certainly be limited.

To help get the existing guns off the street, have a mandatory trade-in program to exchange guns with interchangeable magazines for guns with fixed magazines (5-shot). Gun manufacturers might get a big sales boost. Ammunition manufacturers would probably be pissed. Possession of a banned semi-automatic rifle would result in confiscation and a significant fine.

Limiting the amount of bullets a terrorist can fire in a short period of time would reduce fatalities in these situations.
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Come get them.
 
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Soaring Eagle 74

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Shirley Knott said:
Why stop at 5 rounds , make limits at one round and force reloads after every shot.......Oh, I keep forgetting, criminals pay attention to laws....
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I believe the legal limit for hunting in many states is 5 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber.
I think the guy in Dayton had a 200 round drum.

Certainly, your position of having only single shot guns would virtually eliminate mass shootings. You could even restrict firearms to those available at the time the bill of rights was signed. Muzzle loaders would really slow down the shooters.

Good idea!
 
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Soaring Eagle 74 said:
I believe the legal limit for hunting in many states is 5 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber.
I think the guy in Dayton had a 200 round drum.

Certainly, your position of having only single shot guns would virtually eliminate mass shootings. You could even restrict firearms to those available at the time the bill of rights was signed. Muzzle loaders would really slow down the shooters.

Good idea!
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You could eliminate all gatherings of more than two people.
 
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Yes i can see it all so clearly....the criminals in Camden ( very very strict gun laws in place & have been for years ) will gladly turn in there high capacity mags because they passed yet another gun law ....but john the pipeliner who loves shooting on the weekends just lost another constitutional right that will accomplish absolutely nothing...only the criminal will have high capacity mags ...ask the illegals from Mexico why they want to come here ....the good ones cant protect themselves from the cartels, only cartels & cops have guns ......
 
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Boomerwv said:
Yup, so why don't they use more full autos?
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I'm not aware of a fully auto gun used in any crime. Maybe the gansters in the 30's used Thompson machine guns were fully auto. I just don't know for sure.
 
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Airport said:
I'm not aware of a fully auto gun used in any crime. Maybe the gansters in the 30's used Thompson machine guns were fully auto. I just don't know for sure.
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That's right, its incredibly rare. There have only been a handful of cases, like the Hollywood shootout, where fully auto weapons have been used in the United States since around 1934.

The reason is because we banned them and made it nearly impossible to access one.

We could do the same with ARs and SKS types today. Stop the sale, buyback, and then confiscate the ones that are found later. Many will remain in the public initially, but most will just sit and collect dust, and others will be found over time and removed. After more time the ones that remain will begin to fail and without a parts market they will become useless.

Would it stop all shootings? Nope. But other legislation like limiting mag capacity along with would make it much more difficult to put down the kind of fire that can kill or wound 35 people in under a minute.

There still be issues with guns smuggled into the country or produced illegally, but it would be a lot harder to get those than to walk into a Rural King and popnoit 30 minutes later with one and enough ammo to start a small war.

I dont really subscribe to that line of thought myself, but it's not true that a ban of them wouldn't have the intended effect. We have seen it work before.
 
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Boomerwv said:
That's right, its incredibly rare. There have only been a handful of cases, like the Hollywood shootout, where fully auto weapons have been used in the United States since around 1934.

The reason is because we banned them and made it nearly impossible to access one.

We could do the same with ARs and SKS types today. Stop the sale, buyback, and then confiscate the ones that are found later. Many will remain in the public initially, but most will just sit and collect dust, and others will be found over time and removed. After more time the ones that remain will begin to fail and without a parts market they will become useless.

Would it stop all shootings? Nope. But other legislation like limiting mag capacity along with would make it much more difficult to put down the kind of fire that can kill or wound 35 people in under a minute.

There still be issues with guns smuggled into the country or produced illegally, but it would be a lot harder to get those than to walk into a Rural King and popnoit 30 minutes later with one and enough ammo to start a small war.

I dont really subscribe to that line of thought myself, but it's not true that a ban of them wouldn't have the intended effect. We have seen it work before.
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1. How well have gun buybacks worked? They don’t.

2. You’re advocating turning 99.9999999% of the population who aren’t crazy into criminals because of criminals. Cool.

3. Fully automatic weapons are used in a lot of gang related activity, especially now with the rapid increase in cartel activity.

4. We’ve already had a 10 year assault weapon ban and it didn’t work.

5. Trying to compare the 30s and the very limited volume of weapons to today and millions of assault weapons in circulation means is hilarious.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
1. How well have gun buybacks worked? They don’t.

2. You’re advocating turning 99.9999999% of the population who aren’t crazy into criminals because of criminals. Cool.

3. Fully automatic weapons are used in a lot of gang related activity, especially now with the rapid increase in cartel activity.

4. We’ve already had a 10 year assault weapon ban and it didn’t work.

5. Trying to compare the 30s and the very limited volume of weapons to today and millions of assault weapons in circulation means is hilarious.
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I can make most if not all parts for a gun ..im a welder & can work a lathe pretty dang good , funny thing is , im one out of 500 just in north parkersburg...& they gonna confiscate..lol
 
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boomerwv

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DvlDog4WVU said:
1. How well have gun buybacks worked? They don’t.

2. You’re advocating turning 99.9999999% of the population who aren’t crazy into criminals because of criminals. Cool.

3. Fully automatic weapons are used in a lot of gang related activity, especially now with the rapid increase in cartel activity.

4. We’ve already had a 10 year assault weapon ban and it didn’t work.

5. Trying to compare the 30s and the very limited volume of weapons to today and millions of assault weapons in circulation means is hilarious.
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That 10 year ban worked very well, actually.

You're going to have to vote these full autos used in crimes, because they arent nearly as common as you are saying in the US.

Full auto weapons were plentiful in the '20s and 30s, especially among criminals.
 
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Boomerwv said:
That 10 year ban worked very well, actually.

You're going to have to vote these full autos used in crimes, because they arent nearly as common as you are saying in the US.

Full auto weapons were plentiful in the '20s and 30s, especially among criminals.
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It worked so well that the FBI/ATF said it produced no meaningful impacts.

They’re common enough that since they’ve been banned for almost 100 years we still have incidents. Works great.

Full autos in circulation during those times would account for less than 5% of what’s in circulation for AWs now. GTFOH.
 
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Boomerwv said:
That's right, its incredibly rare. There have only been a handful of cases, like the Hollywood shootout, where fully auto weapons have been used in the United States since around 1934.

The reason is because we banned them and made it nearly impossible to access one.

We could do the same with ARs and SKS types today. Stop the sale, buyback, and then confiscate the ones that are found later. Many will remain in the public initially, but most will just sit and collect dust, and others will be found over time and removed. After more time the ones that remain will begin to fail and without a parts market they will become useless.

Would it stop all shootings? Nope. But other legislation like limiting mag capacity along with would make it much more difficult to put down the kind of fire that can kill or wound 35 people in under a minute.

There still be issues with guns smuggled into the country or produced illegally, but it would be a lot harder to get those than to walk into a Rural King and popnoit 30 minutes later with one and enough ammo to start a small war.

I dont really subscribe to that line of thought myself, but it's not true that a ban of them wouldn't have the intended effect. We have seen it work before.
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Would you be for any felon caught with a gun having a mandatory 5 year prison sentence? Stop and frisk would stop a lot of city violence where a majority of the gun violence in the US occurs. Are you really for curbing gun violence?
 
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