Punch costly for Iowa State

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

The Cyclones' awesome running back, Montgomery, has to sit out the first half of the Texas game for throwing a punch in the 2nd half of the Baylor game.

Iowa State has the longest winning streak in the Big 12, all after Montgomery returned from his August injury and Purdy became the starting QB. This puts the Cyclones in a bind. If somehow they can stay close for a half, then a fresh Montgomery might turn the tide in the 2nd half.

But that's 30 minutes of playing without your raging bull. Major hands-tying.

Purdy will need to be Purdy good throwing the ball in the 1st half.

M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34
A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22
I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30
N ailed Baylor, 58-14
E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41
E viscerated TCU, 47-10
R eam Oklahoma State
S laughter Oklahoma

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Pretty much all the starting players on Texas' D are injured.

So unless Texas can put out their starting secondary for the first time since Baylor it won't really matter.

More than that Iowa St abandoned the run last year against Texas.
Montgomery wasn't getting the ball when he played. Think they believe Purdy will open up running lanes.

But....
Iowa St's D allows Texas to have running lanes.
They drop 8 back in coverage. They may end up using someone as a spy but unless they can cover Texas' WRs one on one they will have trouble stopping Texas.

 

[spartansstink]

But, according to you, even UT's backups are better than anything ISU can put on the field since they all came from Texass and Texass recruits are just all star-spangled awesome!

Just busting your balls. I know reality is starting to set in.

But, I agree with you. ISU will have trouble keeping pace with UT's offense. I don't feel Ehliinger will pull a Will Grier and hold on to the football too long and all night. UT will need to jump out to a good first half lead before Montgomery returns. He WILL carve up UT's defense but if UT has built a good enough lead they can play ball control and limit Montgomery's touches. If it's close, Montgomery may run ISU to victory.

Should be a close game either way...

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

They will eventually be better.
There is not overall depth that Texas will not have until 2020.

Herman's first recruiting class was trash to go with Charlie Strong's last recruiting class.
So those are mainly freshmen and RS freshmen playing in the secondary.

By the 2020 recruiting class all the issues should be fix because that will be three straight Top 5 classes.

Run game is determined on three things in college football.
1) Location of safeties
2) If the QB is a factor
3) OLine push

So unless Purdy can take advantage of the secondary Montgomery will be a non factor.

Iowa St has shown the last three years to be a team that abandons the run.
Hurt them against TCU and Iowa this year.

 

[spartansstink]

They will eventually be better.
There is not overall depth that Texas will not have until 2020.

Herman's first recruiting class was trash to go with Charlie Strong's last recruiting class.
So those are mainly freshmen and RS freshmen playing in the secondary.

By the 2020 recruiting class all the issues should be fix because that will be three straight Top 5 classes.

Run game is determined on three things in college football.
1) Location of safeties
2) If the QB is a factor
3) OLine push

So unless Purdy can take advantage of the secondary Montgomery will be a non factor.

Iowa St has shown the last three years to be a team that abandons the run.
Hurt them against TCU and Iowa this year.

Thing is, this year Purdy is also a run threat to go along with Montgomery. Like Ehlinger, not a homerun threat but a chain mover.

Plus, with UT's d-line not being much, ISU should be able to control the line of scrimmage. If Purdy gets time in the pocket, he'll be able to find open receivers. To go along with a solid run game, UT could be in trouble and have to win a shootout.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Issue with the DL is because of holes in the secondary.
There is enough pressure from the 2 deep if everyone is there.

But...
When you are throw a freshman CB out there against grown men or a RS freshman Boundary safety you will have holes.

Plus Texas played against Tech with their third string FS.
Brandon Jones didn't play in either game and Josh Thompson went out on a fluke play went his knee hit the football.

 

[spartansstink]

Issue with the DL is because of holes in the secondary.
There is enough pressure from the 2 deep if everyone is there.

But...
When you are throw a freshman CB out there against grown men or a RS freshman Boundary safety you will have holes.

Plus Texas played against Tech with their third string FS.
Brandon Jones didn't play in either game and Josh Thompson went out on a fluke play went his knee hit the football.

With all due respect, I think you severely overestimate UT's defensive capabilities.

Against every team this year with a potent offense, that potent offense hasn't had trouble scoring points - even when UT was fully stocked.

Now, ISU isn't an OU, TT, WVU, type of potent offense. But, they are more than capable of scoring points. I think the question will be can they score enough? I don't think ISU capable of shutting down UT enough times to win. Unless UT's offense finds creative ways to kneecap themselves, especially in the first half, they should win this game by 10 or so.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

With all due respect, I think you severely overestimate UT's defensive capabilities.

Against every team this year with a potent offense, that potent offense hasn't had trouble scoring points - even when UT was fully stocked.

Now, ISU isn't an OU, TT, WVU, type of potent offense. But, they are more than capable of scoring points. I think the question will be can they score enough? I don't think ISU capable of shutting down UT enough times to win. Unless UT's offense finds creative ways to kneecap themselves, especially in the first half, they should win this game by 10 or so.

The defense has issues because of how aggressive Todd Orlando is.

Plus they are missing elite speed on the back end.
Nothing against the current safeties but they are not 4.4 guys.
This is why they are bringing in three DBs this year in the 2019 class with elite speed

Even with that when all the pieces are there that D can pretty much stop any offensive attack.
Problem is they haven't really been on the field together since before the bye week.

 

[nvEERs]

all I know is if Texas wins and we win this week we are in the B12 conference champ game

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

all I know is if Texas wins and we win this week we are in the B12 conference champ game

Most likely.
Cause I really doubt Kansas beats Oklahoma.

 

[HairRaid]

Texas recruiting ranking is irrelevant as long as 3* and 4* recruits from Maryland, Virginia and Pennsylvania keep outperforming Texas 5* kids at every oppritunity

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Not really...

Because of attrition and poor strength and conditioning those players did not develop.
Not all but most.

You saw a beginning of a change last year when Texas players hit the NFL.
You will see it again in this draft and how Texas players hit training camp.

Even with that Charlie Strong's last recruiting class lost half of its players and Tom Herman's first class was small.

So all Texas has is two Charlie Strong classes with attrition, one horrible class and a bunch of freshmen.

Like I said by 2020 you will see how recruiting rankings make a difference.

Plus it took a transcendent player like Will Grier for WV.
Very few Will Grier's on the tree.
If they are they take at least one whole year to develop.

 

[HairRaid]

The worst recruiting class Texas has had in the last 7 years was ranked 25th. The best recruiting class WVU has had in the last 8 years was ranked 35th, with a few 50s mixed in. During that same time WVU has dominated the Texas schools by a nearly 2:1 margin according to Winsipedia (20/11) including a complete sweep this year. Saying this is because of strength and conditioning is also farcical when you all have the best facilities in the big 12. You also can’t say that player attrition is causing you to suck, when in reality most of your player attrition has been due to you all sucking. It’s also hard to call Will Grier a difference maker when we have been kicking your *** with a literal fullback (Howard) and a concussed hair model (Trinkett) at QB in the seasons before he got here. And we’re going to keep kicking your *** over the next few years with a statue (Allison). I don’t mean to be insulting or rude, but your constant attempt to both prop up Texas football and create excuses for their predictable failures is exhausting.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The excuses are coming in early and often.

 

[Panhandleer]

Well, back to Iowa State, without Montgomery, ISU will depend on Purdy's running more than his passing, Play disciplined, contain him and knock him on his butt a few times, and you will have a big advantage. Try to get a lead before halftime and they will have a tough time climbing back in the game. Even with the way they dominated us a few weeks ago, they could only score 30 points.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

I will repeat my original theme: NOT having Montgomery for a half DOES hamper Iowa State's chances. The Montgomery/Purdy duo is what got the Cyclones on their Big 12-leading winning streak. Period.

But if Purdy can keep it close in the first half, then a fresh Montgomery coming in, and knowing he can't punch players but can punch holes in the defense, might turn the tide into a Cyclones victory.

I would LOVE a rematch with Iowa State, but the scenarios are so convoluted that I'll just wait till midnight November 24 to see who is in the Big 12 title game with WVU.


M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14

O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17

U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence

N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6

T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34

A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22

I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30

N ailed Baylor, 58-14

E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41

E viscerated TCU, 47-10

R eam Oklahoma State

S laughter Oklahoma

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

The excuses are coming in early and often.

Look at the 2016 recruiting class.
Highly ranked but half of those players are no longer on the team.

Then the 2017 was very small and was ranked #25 because it included Sam Ehlinger.

Those two recruiting classes barely equalled one.

That depth will no longer be an issue once the 2020 class in on campus.
That season Texas should have three consecutive #5 recruiting classes mixed in with grad transfers and PWOs.

Another thing that Herman is doing is bringing in players out of Texas that would be playing at the service academies, Ivy League or G5 programs.
They just got a 3* PWO today that would have been playing at Houston on full scholarship.
He has the grades to get into Texas because his offer list besides Houston is nothing but Ivy League schools.

 

[WVUALLEN]

 

[HairRaid]

Look at our 2017 class and tell me how many 4* kids you see. And of the 3 4* kids in our 2016 class only one of them is still here and it’s our 4th string MLB. Fact of the matter is that a 3* kid from our part of the country consistently outperforms higher ranked kids from Texas. If Texas had a recruiting class ranking like our 2017 or 2015 class whoever the coach was would be run out of town on the spot, while meanwhile Holgorsen and his assistants have developed these kids into NFL talent.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Difference is....

WV has recruited players to fit their system for four years on both sides of the ball.
Every single player on your roster was wanted by DH

Texas only has two grad transfers that Herman wanted in their junior and senior class...


Even with all that WV with Will Grier beat Texas by one point...
That was with Texas having 5 players off their defense not playing.

I don't care about WV owning TCU and Baylor.
Y'all should.

 

[HairRaid]

every time we obliterate an excuse you make another excuse. Arguing with you is exhausting because your excuse goalpost is on warp drive.

 

[spartansstink]

Difference is....

WV has recruited players to fit their system for four years on both sides of the ball.
Every single player on your roster was wanted by DH

Texas only has two grad transfers that Herman wanted in their junior and senior class...


Even with all that WV with Will Grier beat Texas by one point...
That was with Texas having 5 players off their defense not playing.

I don't care about WV owning TCU and Baylor.
Y'all should.

Excuse 1: Texass had players missing from their defense.

Answer: True. Because our men knocked them out. Out of the 5 we knocked out, what, 3 in the first quarter alone? Becky Hager should worry more about growing some balls than growing her hair.

Excuse 2: Poor recruiting classes.

Answer: Not back then. If this was 2015 you'd be on here saying "just wait until this recruiting class is ready". Welp, whipped their ***. Now its the 2019 and 2020 class. Soon, it will be "Just wait until the 2034 class gets here". Even though Texass football is just a step down (or up, depending) from the Patriots. Literally at every Texass high school - better than anything we have. Until they meet on the field.

Excuse 3: Only won by 1 point.

Answer: True. WVU played 11 on 15 or 16 all day long. The zebras weren't cheating to help Texass win, they were cheating to keep Texass in the ball game. Otherwise, its a 2 or 3 touchdown win for the Gold and Blue.

All the time I have for this post, folks. Tune in next time to read more of the same...

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Excuse 1: Texass had players missing from their defense.

Answer: True. Because our men knocked them out. Out of the 5 we knocked out, what, 3 in the first quarter alone? Becky Hager should worry more about growing some balls than growing her hair.

Excuse 2: Poor recruiting classes.

Answer: Not back then. If this was 2015 you'd be on here saying "just wait until this recruiting class is ready". Welp, whipped their ***. Now its the 2019 and 2020 class. Soon, it will be "Just wait until the 2034 class gets here". Even though Texass football is just a step down (or up, depending) from the Patriots. Literally at every Texass high school - better than anything we have. Until they meet on the field.

Excuse 3: Only won by 1 point.

Answer: True. WVU played 11 on 15 or 16 all day long. The zebras weren't cheating to help Texass win, they were cheating to keep Texass in the ball game. Otherwise, its a 2 or 3 touchdown win for the Gold and Blue.

All the time I have for this post, folks. Tune in next time to read more of the same...

Like I have said before if the refs wanted Texas to win they would have won.

A penalty can be called on pretty much every play.

That review of the fourth down play would not have been overturned because there was not clear or precise evidence either way.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

every time we obliterate an excuse you make another excuse. Arguing with you is exhausting because your excuse goalpost is on warp drive.

No......

It is called facts.
Like what the other poster said How do you know that recruiting classes and development will work this time..

Last year
6 losses by I believe 37 points.
Less than a TD.
2018
3 losses by 8 points .

So because Texas will be bringing back all their offensive weapons.
Adding WR Jake Smith and RB Noah Cain I think for sure 2019 will be another step up .

The 2020 class is real......
If everything goes together it may be one of the greatest classes ever put together.

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

Difference is....

WV has recruited players to fit their system for four years on both sides of the ball.
Every single player on your roster was wanted by DH

Texas only has two grad transfers that Herman wanted in their junior and senior class...


Even with all that WV with Will Grier beat Texas by one point...
That was with Texas having 5 players off their defense not playing.

I don't care about WV owning TCU and Baylor.
Y'all should.

So WVU had 5 defensive players missing also.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

WV is a great team this year and the university has created a good football program.

But.....

No one around UT is circling WV next year to get revenge.
Everyone is preparing to stomp mudholes in LSU and OU.
WV does not have players Texas wants nor are they a threat to take any player from Texas.

Like I have said WV must use this season as a building block to being able to take recruits from Texas or be able to lock down recruits in their area.

Next year in Maryland and VA is looking good.
I believe the DMV has 6-7 of the top 100 players including possibly the #1 recruit.

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

WV is a great team this year and the university has created a good football program.

But.....

No one around UT is circling WV next year to get revenge.
Everyone is preparing to stomp mudholes in LSU and OU.
WV does not have players Texas wants nor are they a threat to take any player from Texas.

Like I have said WV must use this season as a building block to being able to take recruits from Texas or be able to lock down recruits in their area.

Next year in Maryland and VA is looking good.
I believe the DMV has 6-7 of the top 100 players including possibly the #1 recruit.

Perhaps that is why we beat UT more times than not. WVU will have a damn good team next year and by far the best defensive we have had since we joined the B12. So another UT loss is looking likely.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Perhaps that is why we beat UT more times than not. WVU will have a damn good team next year and by far the best defensive we have had since we joined the B12. So another UT loss is looking likely.

I know Bigelow will be gone.
He is an above average DL.

Think WV needs Norwood to really take a step up.
You will see against Oklahoma St this week what I mean about DBs.
Their DBs can play man to man against physical WRs.

Don't know WV's schedule. You play NC State at home and 2 small schools I am guessing.
Truthfully I am hoping WV is a Top 15 team next year.
That would give the Big XII 4.
I am thinking WV starts closer to 20.

Probably will be picked to finish 4th or 5th in the Big XII.
Depending on what Baylor brings back.

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

I know Bigelow will be gone.
He is an above average DL.

Think WV needs Norwood to really take a step up.
You will see against Oklahoma St this week what I mean about DBs.
Their DBs can play man to man against physical WRs.

Don't know WV's schedule. You play NC State at home and 2 small schools I am guessing.
Truthfully I am hoping WV is a Top 15 team next year.
That would give the Big XII 4.
I am thinking WV starts closer to 20.

Probably will be picked to finish 4th or 5th in the Big XII.
Depending on what Baylor brings back.

We play 2 power conference schools every year (weather permitting). Bigelow's back up is a true freshman that leads the league in fumbles forced and has 3 sacks. Our DL will be fine as we have developed good depth this year.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

We play 2 power conference schools every year (weather permitting). Bigelow's back up is a true freshman that leads the league in fumbles forced and has 3 sacks. Our DL will be fine as we have developed good depth this year.

I don't know about every year...
Next year I see that WV is traveling to CoMo.

Still WV will be predicted to finish 4th like I said.
I actually like Stills. Both of them.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Spin spin spin doctor....

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

No spin about it....
This can change due to early departures but so far the three main juniors at Texas said they will be back next year.

10. Kansas St
9. Kansas
8. TCU
7. Oklahoma State
6. Texas Tech
5. Baylor
4. WV
3. Iowa St
2. Oklahoma
1. Texas

If Montgomery goes to the NFL Iowa St drops
Same with Mims for Baylor.

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

No spin about it....
This can change due to early departures but so far the three main juniors at Texas said they will be back next year.

10. Kansas St
9. Kansas
8. TCU
7. Oklahoma State
6. Texas Tech
5. Baylor
4. WV
3. Iowa St
2. Oklahoma
1. Texas

If Montgomery goes to the NFL Iowa St drops
Same with Mims for Baylor.

I see WVU ahead of UT.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I see WVU ahead of UT.

I doubt that...
The pieces are already in place for Texas to start the season in the Top 5.
Pretty much the LSU/Texas game will be a Top 5 game next year.

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

I doubt that...
The pieces are already in place for Texas to start the season in the Top 5.
Pretty much the LSU/Texas game will be a Top 5 game next year.

You defense is poor and you lose several top players. Your offense could be really good except you have a quarterback who is not a winner. Push come to shove I see UT with two or three losses again next year.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

The OLine will be much better next year.
Christian Jones who is being redshirted is ahead of where Sam Cosmi was last year.
Cosmi is probably the top freshman/RS freshman in the Big XII on the OLine

Plus Noah Cain will enroll in January and will take part in offseason conditioning on a college level.
He is already a grown man at 5-10 215.
Probably will be closer to 220-225 by next season.

The offense will be scary.
Especially with Jake Smith. He broke all of Christian Kirk's HS records in Arizona.
He is a classic slot receiver.
Something Texas doesn't have this year on their offense.

 

[still5-0vstarheels]

The OLine will be much better next year.
Christian Jones who is being redshirted is ahead of where Sam Cosmi was last year.
Cosmi is probably the top freshman/RS freshman in the Big XII on the OLine

Plus Noah Cain will enroll in January and will take part in offseason conditioning on a college level.
He is already a grown man at 5-10 215.
Probably will be closer to 220-225 by next season.

The offense will be scary.
Especially with Jake Smith. He broke all of Christian Kirk's HS records in Arizona.
He is a classic slot receiver.
Something Texas doesn't have this year on their offense.

But then there is your defense which already sucks and you lose your top tacklers. Expect to give up a lot of points next year. 9-3 would be a good record for next years team.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Before probably about 2001 the Pac 10 was probably the deepest conference with the best teams.
Reason why was QB play.

The Big XII has taken this to another level.

No one is winning without great to elite QB play.
There is good QB play throughout the conference.
You saw this when A&M and Mizzou went to the SEC
Manziel was overrated but he looked amazing in the SEC
In the Big XII he wouldn't have looked so great.

It is not the defenses. TCU has an above average defense but below average QB play and they will be a 5-7 team.
Put TCU in any other conference and they would be Michigan St or Kentucky.

Look at Kentucky....
Do you really think Kentucky's D is that great.
They would be an average Big XII team because of poor QB play.
In the SEC they can get by.

So...
Top 4 QBs in the Big XII this year have been
Grier
Ehlinger
Murray
Prudy

Last year the Top QBs were
Mayfield
Hill
Rudolph
Grier

Usually the order of finish is determined by QB play.

Ehlinger is by far the best QB returning next year.

 

[88rocco]

UT had an awesome game, refs were on their side, and still couldn't win a home game against WVU.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

UT had an awesome game, refs were on their side, and still couldn't win a home game against WVU.

Not really....
One personal foul penalty because of a horse collar in the pocket.
If you look at the rulebook you cannot call a horse collar in the pocket.

The spotting of the ball when the helmet came off.
If you review the play and watch other plays with Ehlinger in other games you notice a difference with the chinstrap.

Not calling CFB pro wrestling but a lot of that game was staged.

Hate to say it but almost every game with Texas this year has been like that.
Truthfully a lot of us would love to get back to just playing football.